Will blue gas kill Tesla?

[kadee79]

Interesting....something to think about for sure.

Blue gas is starting to make waves in the industry and could threaten Tesla

The hydrogen fuel is made in a carbon-neutral process from methane and water

Unlike conventional, or 'grey' hydrogen, however, released carbon is captured

The fuel can then be used to power electric vehicles with hydrogen fuel cells

Cars powered this way produce no harmful emissions — only water vapour

Unlike battery-powered cars, they do not use environmentally-damaging metals

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9275621/Will-blue-gas-kill-Tesla-New-emission-free-liquid-hydrocarbon-fuels-300-mile-trip-tank.html

[Artemis Windsong]

I've been waiting for hydrogen fuels cars to be available to the public for at least 14 years.

They would probably be out of my price range. Availability of fueling stations would also be an issue.

[myrrh]

Not only fueling station locations, but fueling station safety is my concern. How will another Hindenburg-like accident be prevented? Is it reasonable for all gas station employees to take a 40-hour HAZWOPER course, or will stations have to hire someone to sit on his/her butt most of the time? (I am assuming they will not let the average Joe put extremely volatile pressurized hydrogen gas in a vehicle.)

[djAdvocate]

Feb 19, 2021 13:03:01 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Interesting....something to think about for sure.

Blue gas is starting to make waves in the industry and could threaten Tesla

The hydrogen fuel is made in a carbon-neutral process from methane and water

Unlike conventional, or 'grey' hydrogen, however, released carbon is captured

The fuel can then be used to power electric vehicles with hydrogen fuel cells

Cars powered this way produce no harmful emissions — only water vapour

Unlike battery-powered cars, they do not use environmentally-damaging metals

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9275621/Will-blue-gas-kill-Tesla-New-emission-free-liquid-hydrocarbon-fuels-300-mile-trip-tank.html

it is a cool idea, but keep in mind that there is a recycling process for batteries that is 99.9% efficient.  the only need for mining is to increase the size of the electric fleet, which is properly significant, but not nearly as impactful on the environment as one might think.

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Mar 4, 2021 18:59:32 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 19, 2021 13:03:01 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Interesting....something to think about for sure.

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9275621/Will-blue-gas-kill-Tesla-New-emission-free-liquid-hydrocarbon-fuels-300-mile-trip-tank.html

it is a cool idea, but keep in mind that there is a recycling process for batteries that is 99.9% efficient.  the only need for mining is to increase the size of the electric fleet, which is properly significant, but not nearly as impactful on the environment as one might think.

Which totally ignores the current electric grid shortcomings. 

The current implementation of the part time wind and solar has reached it's endgame of viability. 

Adding millions of cars that need to be charged, which uses a large draw of Kw/hrs, will not be feasible at the current level of technology. 

Unless we build more fossil fuel plants, which negates the purpose of electric vehicles. 

Blue gas is a safe non centralized form of energy, without the huge storage limits of electricity. 


Fueling safety would be a small engineering hurdle to overcome, valving, safety interlocks etc. 

The only downside is to 'big electric' and woke politicians using it as a jobs program. 

I view it as a diversified energy source, producing competition to keep all energy prices low. 


It won't kill Tesla as there are always places that electric grids are doing well. 

Tesla 'is' another use of diversified energy use after all.





    
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[thyme4change]

Oh the humanity!

[djAdvocate]

I am interested in the scrubbing technology that eliminates the carbon, and the risk of driving around a hydrogen bomb.

anyone who has info on those TWO issues?

[phil5185]

""""The Apollo Command Module's primary source of electric power was from a set of three "fuel cells" housed in the Service Module. Each fuel cell combines hydrogen and oxygen to produce electricity and water. The water was used for drinking by the astronaut crew. Each of the fuel cell power plants contain 31 separate cells connected in series.

We used hydrogen fuel cells for the Apollo moon landing  programs during the 1960s. Each ship had a bank of 3 fuel cells.   They required several processes to produce, fill, connect, derive power etc - not terribly dangerous, just very cumbersome. And expensive. Most of our later space craft used solar. 

A better system would be to replace the fossil power plants of the world with nuclear power plants - they generate energy that can meet out current world power usage  plus the new power needed for the many millions of electric cars in the world. (Currently there are about 400 nuclear power plants in the world and several 100 nuclear ships/subs).  It costs about $75 B to build a nuke power plant - sadly the US has been spending close to $40B per YEAR for several years to subsidize roof-top solar panels

[thyme4change]

I don't know much about nuclear- just the old 80's Chernobyl and nuclear waste stuff.

Is there waste? Is it something we will wake up in 50 years and wish we hadn't gone down that road?

I think the same problem is imminent for solar, electric cars and all the other lithium batteries we have.

I'm not sure there is any good answers.