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Post by happyhoix on Dec 11, 2022 20:02:42 GMT -5
. Oh she’s going to be such a pain in the ass for McCarthy, if he manages to cling to his position. Very full of herself, thinks she’s the canny darling of the MAGA minions, doesn’t think before she talks, can’t keep her mouth shut.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 11, 2022 20:08:31 GMT -5
If she were plotting a terrorist attack that she could realistically carry out, she should be charged as should anyone. The event that was referenced was words in a speech about how something that happened in the past would have been different if ... EDIT: I agree she is nutty. But that isn't criminal. I understand that, but that was not the actual question as I read it. Whether there should be a different standard for someone depending on who they are is and was answered as being independent of the specific example. Someone with the ability and platform to carry out a threat should and will be treated differently from someone sitting on a barstool or posting on a message board. Investigate all three. Prosecute the one. Got it. You were responding to yourself and not me.
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Post by tallguy on Dec 11, 2022 20:25:48 GMT -5
I understand that, but that was not the actual question as I read it. Whether there should be a different standard for someone depending on who they are is and was answered as being independent of the specific example. Someone with the ability and platform to carry out a threat should and will be treated differently from someone sitting on a barstool or posting on a message board. Investigate all three. Prosecute the one. Got it. You were responding to yourself and not me. Got it. You're out to prove to the few remaining doubters that trying to discuss with you is a fruitless ordeal.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 11, 2022 20:32:54 GMT -5
Got it. You were responding to yourself and not me. Got it. You're out to prove to the few remaining doubters that trying to discuss with you is a fruitless ordeal. There is little discussion left here. Anyone on the right is ridiculed. And anyone who doesn't make the proper sounds in the echo chamber is dismissed.
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Post by tallguy on Dec 11, 2022 20:40:03 GMT -5
Got it. You're out to prove to the few remaining doubters that trying to discuss with you is a fruitless ordeal. There is little discussion left here. Anyone on the right is ridiculed. And anyone who doesn't make the proper sounds in the echo chamber is dismissed. Anyone saying stupid things is ridiculed. Unfortunately, that now includes pretty much anyone listening to most of what the GOP says and everything that Donald Trump or his acolytes say. Their fault in doing so does not belong to the rest of us.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 12, 2022 4:59:44 GMT -5
I understand that, but that was not the actual question as I read it. Whether there should be a different standard for someone depending on who they are is and was answered as being independent of the specific example. Someone with the ability and platform to carry out a threat should and will be treated differently from someone sitting on a barstool or posting on a message board. Investigate all three. Prosecute the one. Got it. You were responding to yourself and not me. actually, TG was responding to YOUR QUESTION. you then started arguing straw men and minutae, as you often do, in an attempt to reshape the argument. when TG pointed you back to the original question, you accused him (and pretty much everyone else on this board) of attempting to shut you and others down (as well as insulting everyone here, as a parting gift). so, let's see, change the subject, claim victimhood, and abuse your adversary. very Trumpy. and why should we NOT shut that down? it is not actually debate or discussion, bills. it is tedious. and pointless.
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Post by tbop77 on Dec 12, 2022 8:06:03 GMT -5
. Oh she’s going to be such a pain in the ass for McCarthy, if he manages to cling to his position. Very full of herself, thinks she’s the canny darling of the MAGA minions, doesn’t think before she talks, can’t keep her mouth shut. If only Republicans could come to their senses: It is time for principled Republicans that believe in good governance to organize, and then get loud—really loud. It is time for the new "fringe" to start their own caucus —the Democracy Caucus. Who are the likely members? Let's start with David Valadao (R-Calif.) and Dan Newhouse (R-Wash.), who both voted to impeach former President Trump in 2020. Unfortunately, they are the only two Republicans that voted to impeach that are returning to the House next January, so they will need some allies. That is where so-called crossover members of the House come in—Republicans who won election to the House in November in districts carried by Joe Biden in 2020. There are 18 of them, including Valadao and Newhouse. The Democracy Caucus could take advantage of this unique point in time and stand up to be the leaders that the country needs right now. Leaders who don't go to Congress to "own the libs," but who go to serve their constituents through finding compromise solutions to knotty issues, and even more importantly, to uphold basic tenets of our democracy. Moreover, it is in the self-interest of these Republican congressmembers, who won in districts Biden also won, to demonstrate clearly they are centrists who are not beholden to the extreme partisanship that caused their constituents to reject Trump. In 2024, with a Democratic presidential candidate again at the top of the ticket, having a record as a more independently minded moderate may be the most important ingredient to re-election two years from now for these Republicans. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-new-republican-fringe-must-grab-center-stage-opinion/ar-AA15b2F7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=799c8ab1743d4391bc42156ce1f2913d
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 12, 2022 9:40:19 GMT -5
Got it. You were responding to yourself and not me. actually, TG was responding to YOUR QUESTION. you then started arguing straw men and minutae, as you often do, in an attempt to reshape the argument. when TG pointed you back to the original question, you accused him (and pretty much everyone else on this board) of attempting to shut you and others down (as well as insulting everyone here, as a parting gift). so, let's see, change the subject, claim victimhood, and abuse your adversary. very Trumpy. and why should we NOT shut that down? it is not actually debate or discussion, bills. it is tedious. and pointless. The posts are there for any who wish to read them.
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Post by tallguy on Dec 12, 2022 12:26:17 GMT -5
actually, TG was responding to YOUR QUESTION. you then started arguing straw men and minutae, as you often do, in an attempt to reshape the argument. when TG pointed you back to the original question, you accused him (and pretty much everyone else on this board) of attempting to shut you and others down (as well as insulting everyone here, as a parting gift). so, let's see, change the subject, claim victimhood, and abuse your adversary. very Trumpy. and why should we NOT shut that down? it is not actually debate or discussion, bills. it is tedious. and pointless. The posts are there for any who wish to read them. Yes they are. Someone did.
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 12, 2022 14:00:33 GMT -5
She isn’t a random person at the bar. She is a member of Congress who sword to uphold the constitution. She also makes similar statements on a regularly basis, so I do not believe this is a “one off”. So a different standard for her? Yes. A different standard for all members of Congress, all Senators and POTUS is entirely appropriate as they have a respected, powerful position. I’d be cool with throwing in cabinet members and other trusted advisors.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Dec 12, 2022 14:20:28 GMT -5
I can get fired for saying less than that because the implied threat is given the opportunity I wouldn't hesitate to shoot my coworkers. It's called zero tolerance.
MTG should be fired for it too.
Especially given the power that she holds. It should be completely unacceptable for a member of Congress to talk the way that she does. She hasn't personally picked up the gun but is continuing to encourage others to do so. It's not a matter of if it is a matter of when at this point since Trump has announced he plans on running again. She's making an implied threat against the current sitting and potential future sitting president if Trump loses.
This is WAY different than a drunk dude going on a conspiracy rant from his barstool.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 12, 2022 14:33:20 GMT -5
I do wish that the people in her district had fired her last month.
I do wish that that House members would remove her from office using their constitutional authority.
I question the appropriateness of prosecutors bringing charges and the effectiveness of jury trials to establish a different standard of criminal guilt.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Dec 12, 2022 14:44:56 GMT -5
It doesn't have to be jail time. Something as simple as she gets fined enough that it actually hurts would be enough to deter a lot of people from following in her footsteps.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 12, 2022 14:55:12 GMT -5
It doesn't have to be jail time. Something as simple as she gets fined enough that it actually hurts would be enough to deter a lot of people from following in her footsteps. She would fundraise the money for any fine amount plus courts have limits on fine amounts. As far as deterring a lot of others, aren't we operating on the idea that only a select few would be held to the standard?
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 12, 2022 20:24:24 GMT -5
It doesn't have to be jail time. Something as simple as she gets fined enough that it actually hurts would be enough to deter a lot of people from following in her footsteps. She would fundraise the money for any fine amount plus courts have limits on fine amounts. As far as deterring a lot of others, aren't we operating on the idea that only a select few would be held to the standard? I would prefer her colleagues banish her. They kicked her off committees last time. Can the refuse to let her in the House? And can we find enough moderate Republican house members to join the Dems to drum her out?
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 12, 2022 20:32:15 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 12, 2022 20:45:24 GMT -5
She would fundraise the money for any fine amount plus courts have limits on fine amounts. As far as deterring a lot of others, aren't we operating on the idea that only a select few would be held to the standard? I would prefer her colleagues banish her. They kicked her off committees last time. Can the refuse to let her in the House? And can we find enough moderate Republican house members to join the Dems to drum her out? Section. 5.
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Post by dondub on Dec 12, 2022 21:05:49 GMT -5
I know sarcasm when I see it. That wasn’t.
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 12, 2022 21:08:27 GMT -5
I know sarcasm when I see it. That wasn’t. She’s not smart enough to pull off sarcasm. Let’s not forget peach tree dishes and space lasers.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 12, 2022 21:09:09 GMT -5
I know sarcasm when I see it. That wasn’t. Of course it was not sarcasm. She was throwing meat to the trumpsters.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 13, 2022 3:29:31 GMT -5
oh, like a joke? well, sure. her entire political career is a joke.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 13, 2022 3:43:15 GMT -5
we don't rely on dysfunctional institutions to produce equitable results.
relying on congress to rectify the behavior of Greene is like asking NAMBLA to take over from the FBI regulating child porn.
i have said it before, and will say it again. the judiciary is still functioning in the US, as well as (now) the executive branch. rely on THEM to take care of business if you wish, but rely on the legislature at your own peril.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 13, 2022 10:16:19 GMT -5
I don't see how Greene's behaviour can be rectified. At best it can be rejected. It would have been ideal to have it rejected by the voters. Next best is for the nation's elected officials to reject it. I don't see a judicial ruling as having an adequate impact.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 13, 2022 14:39:29 GMT -5
may all your dreams be happy. wonderful.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Dec 19, 2022 10:56:12 GMT -5
I didn't even know Wal-mart sold sex toys. Now I'm going to have to look. And clearly MTG hasn't seen Big Bang Theory because Amy has a conversation with Penny about toothbrushes. The grooming has been hiding in plain sight all along!
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Post by tractor on Dec 19, 2022 20:01:06 GMT -5
Our local, very conservative grocery store chain sells vibrators in the "personal care" isle. So yep, right near the tooth brushes. I'm guessing several stores offer the same product selection.
Maybe she needs to use one or two to change her attitude.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 19, 2022 20:13:03 GMT -5
Our local, very conservative grocery store chain sells vibrators in the "personal care" isle. So yep, right near the tooth brushes. I'm guessing several stores offer the same product selection. Maybe she needs to use one or two to change her attitude. Our local grocery store is so conservative, they sell nothing but extra virgin olive oil.
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 19, 2022 22:10:02 GMT -5
Those things are usually packaged as massage aids.
Are there really small children who would know what certain massagers are used for?
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