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Post by Opti on Dec 2, 2022 7:24:41 GMT -5
I guess she's unaware high quality cotton interlock fabric doesn't protect you much from Covid either. It's also obvious she's never been fit tested for a KN95 mask. It seems like common sense country wisdom to her fans who probably can't remember recommended masks were not made out of Fruit of the Loom fabric but are specialty fibers found in surgical and N95, KN95 masks.
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 2, 2022 8:04:10 GMT -5
What a good point. I have to remember not to let anyone fart in my mouth, since underwear provides no protection. Idiot.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 2, 2022 8:47:14 GMT -5
If masks don't prevent infection, why do surgeons wear them in them OR?. Apparently too deep a point for her and her followers to understand. Maybe we should ban masks in hospitals since they don't work.
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 2, 2022 10:19:48 GMT -5
If masks don't prevent infection, why do surgeons wear them in them OR?. Apparently too deep a point for her and her followers to understand. Maybe we should ban masks in hospitals since they don't work. The stupid is strong in that one Doctors get paid a kick back based on how much PPE they wear - obviously! Why else would they wear so much? We need to go back to the good old days where the strong survived and the weak, gay, commie lovers died. Back before Lister and his crazy talk about invisible disease. 🙄
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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 2, 2022 10:23:51 GMT -5
What is a little Staphylococcus among friends
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 2, 2022 14:04:36 GMT -5
there is a reason doctors started wearing gloves, too. this dates back to the 1800's, i believe. it was not standard practice to even wash up.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 2, 2022 14:43:27 GMT -5
there is a reason doctors started wearing gloves, too. this dates back to the 1800's, i believe. it was not standard practice to even wash up. It started with what was called peurperal fever and a guy named Semmelweiss. Physicians wouldn't wash their hands between deliveries or even after using the bathroom. Women would get uterine infections and die. Wearing gloves and washing hands cut the incident of this infection significantly. Amazingly, there was significant pushback. Just shows how little has changed over the last 150 years
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 3, 2022 7:11:43 GMT -5
scientists told the public that there were these invisible germs that were causing infection, and they scoffed at it.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 3, 2022 8:11:50 GMT -5
scientists told the public that there were these invisible germs that were causing infection, and they scoffed at it. Not just the public. Many physicians did too. The way it has always been. Tell people something they don’t want to believe and become an outcast
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 3, 2022 13:55:53 GMT -5
there is a reason doctors started wearing gloves, too. this dates back to the 1800's, i believe. it was not standard practice to even wash up. It started with what was called peurperal fever and a guy named Semmelweiss. Physicians wouldn't wash their hands between deliveries or even after using the bathroom. Women would get uterine infections and die. Wearing gloves and washing hands cut the incident of this infection significantly. Amazingly, there was significant pushback. Just shows how little has changed over the last 150 years I read a great book about the assassin of James Garfield. Plenty of soldiers in the civil war recovered from wounds just like his but he died from his, after months of pain, because his doctors kept sticking long rods (non sterile of course) into his wound. He eventually became a septic pus bag. A terrible shame because he had the makings of a great president. If I’m not mistaken Lister was already spreading the word about sterilizing hands and equipment in England at the time, while American doctors found the whole idea ridiculous. Same thing happened with evolutionary theory and plate tectonics- experts aren’t always welcoming to revolutionary theories. Then you have the laymen who think all of science is a hoax,
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 3, 2022 15:03:16 GMT -5
It started with what was called peurperal fever and a guy named Semmelweiss. Physicians wouldn't wash their hands between deliveries or even after using the bathroom. Women would get uterine infections and die. Wearing gloves and washing hands cut the incident of this infection significantly. Amazingly, there was significant pushback. Just shows how little has changed over the last 150 years I read a great book about the assassin of James Garfield. Plenty of soldiers in the civil war recovered from wounds just like his but he died from his, after months of pain, because his doctors kept sticking long rods (non sterile of course) into his wound. He eventually became a septic pus bag. A terrible shame because he had the makings of a great president. If I’m not mistaken Lister was already spreading the word about sterilizing hands and equipment in England at the time, while American doctors found the whole idea ridiculous. Same thing happened with evolutionary theory and plate tectonics- experts aren’t always welcoming to revolutionary theories. Then you have the laymen who think all of science is a hoax, if you happen to think you are the center of all knowledge, you might come to that same conclusion. edit: solipsism. that is the word i was looking for.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 3, 2022 15:05:27 GMT -5
Yes Europe was ahead of the US in regards to antiseptic techniques. Just wasn’t a straight line forward anywhere. Lister was dead aches earlier than Semmelweis. Just shows how long things take to change
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 3, 2022 15:14:29 GMT -5
the trajectory of medicine in terms of recognizing the existence of bacteria is actually quite informative to where we are in terms of politics these days. back in the time we are discussing, people thought that disease was the result of the "humors". that system of medicine was in place for roughly 2400 years. not kidding. look it up. it is actually quite remarkable that it fell apart in roughly 1% of that time.
should we be so lucky with solipsism.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 3, 2022 15:34:37 GMT -5
the trajectory of medicine in terms of recognizing the existence of bacteria is actually quite informative to where we are in terms of politics these days. back in the time we are discussing, people thought that disease was the result of the "humors". that system of medicine was in place for roughly 2400 years. not kidding. look it up. it is actually quite remarkable that it fell apart in roughly 1% of that time. should we be so lucky with solipsism. It is interesting. But it also coincides with a rapid increase in our understanding of chemistry, and the ability to use instruments-microscopes, stethoscopes, sphygmomanometers, and the like to begin to understand and quantify biology and medicine at a deeper level. Add in Darwin and evolution, and there was quite a revolution in the 19th century. Progress has gotten even more rapid, and will continue to do so. Just compare how quickly we understood Covid vs how long it took for hiv.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2022 9:28:12 GMT -5
yeah, it is absurd. and she believes it, apparently.
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 8, 2022 9:18:53 GMT -5
Marge is claiming if the Walker campaign had brought her in to campaign with him, he would have won. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-mocked-for-saying-herschel-walker-s-major-mistake-was-not-using-her/ar-AA151Anr?cvid=69fcf1246f784827a49fa771a644c78fShe’s seriously delusional. When she decided to run for the house she had to run in the brightest red district in the state, where they would vote for a traffic light if it was red. She has a group of adoring fans who love how she baits the libs, but she’s not really that popular in her own district - she recently walked in a Dallas Georgia Christmas parade and the response from the crowd was underwhelming. The non-MAGA GOPers in this district need to organize themselves prior to the next election and put forward a single good candidate to primary her. Last time she had about 8 of them, and they diluted the vote, letting the block of crazies win.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 11, 2022 15:29:32 GMT -5
She should be indicted for sedition for that comment.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 11, 2022 16:14:25 GMT -5
yeah. getting a little tired of the "loose talk".
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 11, 2022 17:20:03 GMT -5
Should the guy at the corner bar or the poster on Facebook who makes similar "if only" comments be charged also?
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Post by tallguy on Dec 11, 2022 17:25:03 GMT -5
Should the guy at the corner bar or the poster on Facebook who makes similar "if only" comments be charged also? People have probably been convicted of threatening the president for less....
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 11, 2022 17:37:31 GMT -5
Should the guy at the corner bar or the poster on Facebook who makes similar "if only" comments be charged also? People have probably been convicted of threatening the president for less.... Can't argue with that.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 11, 2022 17:54:07 GMT -5
Should the guy at the corner bar or the poster on Facebook who makes similar "if only" comments be charged also? She isn’t a random person at the bar. She is a member of Congress who sword to uphold the constitution. She also makes similar statements on a regularly basis, so I do not believe this is a “one off”.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 11, 2022 18:22:31 GMT -5
Should the guy at the corner bar or the poster on Facebook who makes similar "if only" comments be charged also? She isn’t a random person at the bar. She is a member of Congress who sword to uphold the constitution. She also makes similar statements on a regularly basis, so I do not believe this is a “one off”. So a different standard for her?
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Post by tallguy on Dec 11, 2022 18:35:05 GMT -5
She isn’t a random person at the bar. She is a member of Congress who sword to uphold the constitution. She also makes similar statements on a regularly basis, so I do not believe this is a “one off”. So a different standard for her? Depending on whether one actually has the ability and the platform to make good on their remarks? Probably. Do you think otherwise?
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 11, 2022 18:42:51 GMT -5
So a different standard for her? Depending on whether one actually has the ability and the platform to make good on their remarks? Probably. Do you think otherwise? Well, her comments refer to what would have been different in a past event if ... Don't see her as able to time travel.
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Post by tallguy on Dec 11, 2022 19:05:06 GMT -5
Depending on whether one actually has the ability and the platform to make good on their remarks? Probably. Do you think otherwise? Well, her comments refer to what would have been different in a past event if ... Don't see her as able to time travel. Not really relevant to the question of where the standard should be for someone who could realistically carry out a terroristic threat. Still, the idea of time travel is not nearly as nutty as much of what she says.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 11, 2022 19:38:34 GMT -5
Well, her comments refer to what would have been different in a past event if ... Don't see her as able to time travel. Not really relevant to the question of where the standard should be for someone who could realistically carry out a terroristic threat. Still, the idea of time travel is not nearly as nutty as much of what she says. If she were plotting a terrorist attack that she could realistically carry out, she should be charged as should anyone. The event that was referenced was words in a speech about how something that happened in the past would have been different if ... EDIT: I agree she is nutty. But that isn't criminal.
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Post by tallguy on Dec 11, 2022 19:57:04 GMT -5
Not really relevant to the question of where the standard should be for someone who could realistically carry out a terroristic threat. Still, the idea of time travel is not nearly as nutty as much of what she says. If she were plotting a terrorist attack that she could realistically carry out, she should be charged as should anyone. The event that was referenced was words in a speech about how something that happened in the past would have been different if ... EDIT: I agree she is nutty. But that isn't criminal. I understand that, but that was not the actual question as I read it. Whether there should be a different standard for someone depending on who they are is and was answered as being independent of the specific example. Someone with the ability and platform to carry out a threat should and will be treated differently from someone sitting on a barstool or posting on a message board. Investigate all three. Prosecute the one.
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