January 6th Bomb Exploded

[bean29]

Jan 2, 2021 23:11:53 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 2, 2021 21:53:05 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I saw a few articles speculating that this will divide the GOP party into the Trump party and the GOP party - those who want to cling to Trump will join this ceremonial act, and those who want to continue as the GOP will not. 

Do you think this might finally cause us to have a third party? 

let's carry this out logically.

if the POT (Party of Trump) divorces from the GOP, then Democrats will hold a plurality everywhere in the US. in order to keep them (Democrats) from getting shit done, the POT will have to join the GOP to block Democrats.

so, no. I don't think it will change a damned thing.

I think it will have an effect on who gets nominated for office, and who wins the runoff races to get on the final ballot. Then we should have better choices.

[tbop77]

And from our favorite group of ragtag conservative misfits, below is what is going on:


Let us not be obtuse in our honest discussion of what the actual background of these participants -and their connection to the developments- actually means.



As a result of Senator Hawley the republican senate is in an uncomfortable position. None of the aforementioned senators would participate in an electoral challenge without the authorization of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, the ultimate DeceptiCon.



McConnell knows that Hawley’s action is going to initiate a roll-call vote. In order for McConnell to survive the backlash of We The People showing up en masse at the same time as the Senate certification is taking place, Mitch is positioning his upper chamber to give the impression of support. The action by Ted Cruz et al is politically motivated; consider it bandwaggoning as an outcome of what Hawley is forcing upon the chamber.



If Hawley never announced his intent, this effort by Ted Cruz et al would never have been initiated. However, that said, once you accept the politics and motives involved – it becomes possible to use the DeceptiCon weakness, strategically, against them.



The upper-chamber wants to give the illusion of support to the massive MAGA audience. This means We The People who support President Donald J Trump can now define the rules of that support…. this is the power we rarely exhibit because we -mistakenly- accept their false-face and give them benefit-of-doubt. Do not do this again, not now.



theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/01/02/senator-ted-cruz-leads-group-of-republican-senators-to-join-josh-hawley-in-opposition-to-electoral-certification/

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Ted Cruz is the biggest piece of shit I've ever seen. He does an excellent job of hiding his horns when on TV.

How does he live with himself? How do the people who elect him live with themselves?

I want to take a shower anytime I see him on TV.

[Opti]

Jan 3, 2021 9:20:08 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

And from our favorite group of ragtag conservative misfits, below is what is going on:


Let us not be obtuse in our honest discussion of what the actual background of these participants -and their connection to the developments- actually means.



As a result of Senator Hawley the republican senate is in an uncomfortable position. None of the aforementioned senators would participate in an electoral challenge without the authorization of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, the ultimate DeceptiCon.



McConnell knows that Hawley’s action is going to initiate a roll-call vote. In order for McConnell to survive the backlash of We The People showing up en masse at the same time as the Senate certification is taking place, Mitch is positioning his upper chamber to give the impression of support. The action by Ted Cruz et al is politically motivated; consider it bandwaggoning as an outcome of what Hawley is forcing upon the chamber.



If Hawley never announced his intent, this effort by Ted Cruz et al would never have been initiated. However, that said, once you accept the politics and motives involved – it becomes possible to use the DeceptiCon weakness, strategically, against them.



The upper-chamber wants to give the illusion of support to the massive MAGA audience. This means We The People who support President Donald J Trump can now define the rules of that support…. this is the power we rarely exhibit because we -mistakenly- accept their false-face and give them benefit-of-doubt. Do not do this again, not now.



theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/01/02/senator-ted-cruz-leads-group-of-republican-senators-to-join-josh-hawley-in-opposition-to-electoral-certification/

The treehouse is anti-democracy and anti-patriot just like Cruz and the other Trump sycophants. Are all of them showing off their lack of USA pride just to prevent one person from going to jail?

What they are doing seems very close to treason against the US to me. There needs to be repercussions from doing this anti-American BS. They need to be fined, jailed or something. Stop the lies, stop the attempts at stealing the election from the rightful President elect.

[happyhoix]

Jan 2, 2021 23:11:53 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 2, 2021 21:53:05 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I saw a few articles speculating that this will divide the GOP party into the Trump party and the GOP party - those who want to cling to Trump will join this ceremonial act, and those who want to continue as the GOP will not. 

Do you think this might finally cause us to have a third party? 

let's carry this out logically.

if the POT (Party of Trump) divorces from the GOP, then Democrats will hold a plurality everywhere in the US. in order to keep them (Democrats) from getting shit done, the POT will have to join the GOP to block Democrats.

so, no. I don't think it will change a damned thing.

So it will be a fight to see who is the leader of the GOP? Trump obviously believes he will run it, an possibly he plans to run again in 2024 (or maybe push Ivanka into the position) - who will there be someone who steps forward to try to grab the reins from Trump and claim the leadership for himself and try to push the party back to the fiscally responsible, big tent party is once claimed to be? 

[flan327]

Ivanka is about as far away from being Caroline Kennedy as I am from being Nathan Fillion

[happyhoix]

The Proud boys are planning to show up in DC but plan to dress all in black so they can mingle with the Antifa groups. 

I really, really hope no one is planning to show up in DC to protest against these guys. Protests are only exciting if there are clashes between two protesting groups - let’s keep this as boring as possible.

Or maybe the idiot proud boys dressed as antifa people will get attacked by the idiot Proud boy protesters dressed as regular Proud Boys and they’ll beat the snot out of each other. 

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/far-right-group-proud-boys-claim-they-will-attend-january-6-dc-rally-incognito-and-wear-all-black-to-blend-in-with-antifa-protesters/ar-BB1cqGaS

[Tiny]

Jan 3, 2021 11:07:53 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

The Proud boys are planning to show up in DC but plan to dress all in black so they can mingle with the Antifa groups. 

I really, really hope no one is planning to show up in DC to protest against these guys. Protests are only exciting if there are clashes between two protesting groups - let’s keep this as boring as possible.

Or maybe the idiot proud boys dressed as antifa people will get attacked by the idiot Proud boy protesters dressed as regular Proud Boys and they’ll beat the snot out of each other. 

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/far-right-group-proud-boys-claim-they-will-attend-january-6-dc-rally-incognito-and-wear-all-black-to-blend-in-with-antifa-protesters/ar-BB1cqGaS

Why wouldn't the proud boys show up looking like the Antifa groups and then do all sorts of bad stuff?  What a great way to get more pictures and video and what not of "Antifa" doing bad stuff.

If the proud boys are dressing in black - I'm guessing they will have a super secret way to id each other maybe  they constantly adjust their pants (cause their undies are in a bunch)?   Maybe they do that hand sign where you get other people to look at your crotch?   maybe they wont wear a mask (to protect from COVID19)?     

I'm guessing Antifa groups also have super secret ways to identify one another...    

The only ones who get in trouble/hurt are the wanna bees, posers,  and the ones not in the know.   
Who comes up with these plans? drug/alcohol addled malcontents?     

[dondub]

Antifa should just stay home.

[NancysSummerSip]

Jan 3, 2021 10:06:34 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Ted Cruz is the biggest piece of shit I've ever seen. He does an excellent job of hiding his horns when on TV.

How does he live with himself? How do the people who elect him live with themselves?

I want to take a shower anytime I see him on TV.

Saw him on TV yesterday. He looks like someone's tequila-crazed uncle who showed up from the hinterlands and dropped in to tell bad jokes and raid the medicine cabinet for drugs. When did that hair and beard suddenly sprout?  He used to at least look respectable. Now he looks like a Tom Hanks' stand in for Cast Away, except he's been locking himself in the trailer with an unlimited open bar and the drug supply from Scarface.

Dang, if I was his wife and kids, I'd be running for them Texas hills pronto.

[flan327]

Jan 3, 2021 12:31:16 GMT -5 dondub said:

Antifa should just stay home.

But WILL they?

[thyme4change]

Jan 2, 2021 23:11:53 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 2, 2021 21:53:05 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I saw a few articles speculating that this will divide the GOP party into the Trump party and the GOP party - those who want to cling to Trump will join this ceremonial act, and those who want to continue as the GOP will not. 

Do you think this might finally cause us to have a third party? 

let's carry this out logically.

if the POT (Party of Trump) divorces from the GOP, then Democrats will hold a plurality everywhere in the US. in order to keep them (Democrats) from getting shit done, the POT will have to join the GOP to block Democrats.

so, no. I don't think it will change a damned thing.

Not if the GOP settles in the center in such a way that they can get normal people to come aboard. I know a lot of old school Republicans that would gladly go back to the party if they weren't currently nucking futs.

[flan327]

Jan 3, 2021 13:37:07 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jan 2, 2021 23:11:53 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

let's carry this out logically.

if the POT (Party of Trump) divorces from the GOP, then Democrats will hold a plurality everywhere in the US. in order to keep them (Democrats) from getting shit done, the POT will have to join the GOP to block Democrats.

so, no. I don't think it will change a damned thing.

Not if the GOP settles in the center in such a way that they can get normal people to come aboard. I know a lot of old school Republicans that would gladly go back to the party if they weren't currently nucking futs.

But unfortunately many Repugs ARE nucking futs

[tbop77]

Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), a steadfast Trump ally, also took issue with the challenge, though he was less hard-hitting than Toomey or Romney. “Proposing a commission at this late date — which has zero chance of becoming reality — is not effectively fighting for President Trump,” Graham said. “It appears to be more of a political dodge than an effective remedy.”

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bitter-gop-split-upends-the-pomp-as-a-new-congress-takes-over/ar-BB1creL1?ocid=msedgntp

What happened to Graham?  I thought he would be right in there among them with the challenge.  


In all, it was an embarrassing spectacle for McConnell, who has for weeks urged his Republican colleagues to refrain from questioning the election at the Wednesday joint session of Congress. McConnell feared it would force many of his members into a politically difficult vote, as they would have to either defy Trump or question the results of a legitimate election.




Poor Mitch, you should have had a trial earlier in the year and gotten rid of him.  I hope he rubs his nose in it.  

[djAdvocate]

Jan 3, 2021 9:13:00 GMT -5 bean29 said:

Jan 2, 2021 23:11:53 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

let's carry this out logically.

if the POT (Party of Trump) divorces from the GOP, then Democrats will hold a plurality everywhere in the US. in order to keep them (Democrats) from getting shit done, the POT will have to join the GOP to block Democrats.

so, no. I don't think it will change a damned thing.

I think it will have an effect on who gets nominated for office, and who wins the runoff races to get on the final ballot. Then we should have better choices.

you think it might affect the primaries?  is that what you are saying?

[djAdvocate]

Jan 3, 2021 10:06:34 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Ted Cruz is the biggest piece of shit I've ever seen. He does an excellent job of hiding his horns when on TV.

How does he live with himself? How do the people who elect him live with themselves?

I want to take a shower anytime I see him on TV.

he was the choice of PBP in 2016. until Trump won.

then he went all-in on Trump.

which is a stain that will never go away.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 3, 2021 13:37:07 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jan 2, 2021 23:11:53 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

let's carry this out logically.

if the POT (Party of Trump) divorces from the GOP, then Democrats will hold a plurality everywhere in the US. in order to keep them (Democrats) from getting shit done, the POT will have to join the GOP to block Democrats.

so, no. I don't think it will change a damned thing.

Not if the GOP settles in the center in such a way that they can get normal people to come aboard. I know a lot of old school Republicans that would gladly go back to the party if they weren't currently nucking futs.

1) what are the odds of that happening?  this is not a rhetorical question.

2) define "a lot".  majority?  plurality?  who did they vote for this year?

imo- Biden is approximately where Nixon and Eisenhower were.  Trump is somewhere just inside the Venusian orbit by comparison.  so where is the GOP going?  where CAN they go?  they have no hemming on the right, but the center is already taken.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 3, 2021 15:41:12 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), a steadfast Trump ally, also took issue with the challenge, though he was less hard-hitting than Toomey or Romney. “Proposing a commission at this late date — which has zero chance of becoming reality — is not effectively fighting for President Trump,” Graham said. “It appears to be more of a political dodge than an effective remedy.”

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bitter-gop-split-upends-the-pomp-as-a-new-congress-takes-over/ar-BB1creL1?ocid=msedgntp

What happened to Graham?  I thought he would be right in there among them with the challenge.  


In all, it was an embarrassing spectacle for McConnell, who has for weeks urged his Republican colleagues to refrain from questioning the election at the Wednesday joint session of Congress. McConnell feared it would force many of his members into a politically difficult vote, as they would have to either defy Trump or question the results of a legitimate election.




Poor Mitch, you should have had a trial earlier in the year and gotten rid of him.  I hope he rubs his nose in it.  

if they had removed him last year, it might have saved HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF LIVES. 

someone should point that out to them.

[thyme4change]

Jan 3, 2021 16:05:43 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 3, 2021 13:37:07 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Not if the GOP settles in the center in such a way that they can get normal people to come aboard. I know a lot of old school Republicans that would gladly go back to the party if they weren't currently nucking futs.

1) what are the odds of that happening?  this is not a rhetorical question.

2) define "a lot".  majority?  plurality?  who did they vote for this year?

imo- Biden is approximately where Nixon and Eisenhower were.  Trump is somewhere just inside the Venusian orbit by comparison.  so where is the GOP going?  where CAN they go?  they have no hemming on the right, but the center is already taken.

There is always a middle, and if the population moves, the center moves.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 3, 2021 18:02:56 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Jan 3, 2021 16:05:43 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

1) what are the odds of that happening?  this is not a rhetorical question.

2) define "a lot".  majority?  plurality?  who did they vote for this year?

imo- Biden is approximately where Nixon and Eisenhower were.  Trump is somewhere just inside the Venusian orbit by comparison.  so where is the GOP going?  where CAN they go?  they have no hemming on the right, but the center is already taken.

There is always a middle, and if the population moves, the center moves.

the expressions above were COMPARED to the US political center.

would you mind answering the questions?  I am curious.

[thyme4change]

Jan 3, 2021 19:10:15 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 3, 2021 18:02:56 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

There is always a middle, and if the population moves, the center moves.

the expressions above were COMPARED to the US political center.

would you mind answering the questions?  I am curious.

I guess I don't know my history well enough. What were the democrats doing while Nixon was creating the EPA? I keep thinking they were fighting desegregation and such, but that must have been before Nixon. It isn't like the Republicans were far right and the Democrats were communists at the time. The Republicans changed from progressive to conservative and then more conservative and more conservative. And now full blown conspiracy-loving, religious weirdos. There must be a place on that continuum that people liked - I'm guessing the Regan years. That is probably where my father and my colleagues would like to return to. The problem with Biden isn't necessarily his policies, but the fact that he is connected to the party of AOC, which terrifies (let's call them) Reganites. Where is their option. They can align themselves with loony-toons Trumpians, or the party that contains AOC and Bernie, the "independent" along with others using the tag Democratic Socialists. The subtleties between the definitions is unknown and irrelevant to most.

Could they put a party out there that claims fiscal conservative and libertarian social policies and get a bunch of people?

[djAdvocate]

going by this image, the GOP USED to occupy the middle (along with Southern Democrats). then the neocons took over, and EVERY YEAR since then, they have gotten MORE conservative. they are now the most polarized party in US history.

so, if you are between 0.25 and -0.25 there is literally no place for you in either party.

that is where I am, and where I have been my entire political life.

[djAdvocate]

I have never seen this chart before today- but it is way more relevant to this discussion:



if you are a centrist, or believe in governmental centrism, there really is only ONE party choice you can make, as a general rule.

[djAdvocate]

those two charts are from here:

legacy.voteview.com/political_polarization_2014.htm

there is some super interesting stuff near the bottom too, that explains why congress can't get anything done.

[mary2029]

Jan 3, 2021 16:05:43 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 3, 2021 13:37:07 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Not if the GOP settles in the center in such a way that they can get normal people to come aboard. I know a lot of old school Republicans that would gladly go back to the party if they weren't currently nucking futs.

1) what are the odds of that happening?  this is not a rhetorical question.

2) define "a lot".  majority?  plurality?  who did they vote for this year?

imo- Biden is approximately where Nixon and Eisenhower were.  Trump is somewhere just inside the Venusian orbit by comparison.  so where is the GOP going?  where CAN they go?  they have no hemming on the right, but the center is already taken.

I am a registered Republican as I believe in more of the traditional ideals of the party compared to the Democratic party. Yet, I have been debating whether to switch. I think that I have more impact if I don't switch.
I would love to say that I am a Republican and not feel ashamed. I can't be the only one out there.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 4, 2021 6:46:03 GMT -5 mary2029 said:

Jan 3, 2021 16:05:43 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

1) what are the odds of that happening?  this is not a rhetorical question.

2) define "a lot".  majority?  plurality?  who did they vote for this year?

imo- Biden is approximately where Nixon and Eisenhower were.  Trump is somewhere just inside the Venusian orbit by comparison.  so where is the GOP going?  where CAN they go?  they have no hemming on the right, but the center is already taken.

I am a registered Republican as I believe in more of the traditional ideals of the party compared to the Democratic party. Yet, I have been debating whether to switch. I think that I have more impact if I don't switch.
I would love to say that I am a Republican and not feel ashamed. I can't be the only one out there.

there was a time when Republicans embraced liberalism.  I know.  sounds weird right?

the degree to which that sounds weird is why I can't be a Republican any more.

[happyhoix]

Jan 4, 2021 6:46:03 GMT -5 mary2029 said:

Jan 3, 2021 16:05:43 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

1) what are the odds of that happening?  this is not a rhetorical question.

2) define "a lot".  majority?  plurality?  who did they vote for this year?

imo- Biden is approximately where Nixon and Eisenhower were.  Trump is somewhere just inside the Venusian orbit by comparison.  so where is the GOP going?  where CAN they go?  they have no hemming on the right, but the center is already taken.

I am a registered Republican as I believe in more of the traditional ideals of the party compared to the Democratic party. Yet, I have been debating whether to switch. I think that I have more impact if I don't switch.
I would love to say that I am a Republican and not feel ashamed. I can't be the only one out there.

I’m with you. I’m an independent voter so I’ve voted both sides of the aisle, but in the last 15 years or so, it’s been almost all democratic.

I live in Georgia and most gop voters here have taken a hard right into QAnon conspiracy theory land. Check out Marjorie Greene for an example. It embarrasses me she’s my congressperson.

[flan327]

I am registered as a Democrat

BUT

I voted for our Republican governor because he has been good for Indiana

[djAdvocate]

Jan 4, 2021 13:31:48 GMT -5 flan327 said:

I am registered as a Democrat

BUT

I voted for our Republican governor because he has been good for Indiana

I am pretty non-partisan in my voting.  but I am a one issue candidate.

I am anti-war.

and yeah, that has left me almost nobody to vote for my entire adult life.

[tallguy]

Jan 4, 2021 13:07:12 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 4, 2021 6:46:03 GMT -5 mary2029 said:

I am a registered Republican as I believe in more of the traditional ideals of the party compared to the Democratic party. Yet, I have been debating whether to switch. I think that I have more impact if I don't switch.
I would love to say that I am a Republican and not feel ashamed. I can't be the only one out there.

there was a time when Republicans embraced liberalism.  I know.  sounds weird right?

the degree to which that sounds weird is why I can't be a Republican any more.

That's true.  Unfortunately, probably half of this board's membership wasn't alive then.  Nelson, come back!  We miss you!