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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 18:26:42 GMT -5
Can you combine WIC and FS? Can you have both? Does having one decrease the amount you can get on the other?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 18:28:16 GMT -5
Sure, but even buying canned fruit would be a big improvement over pudding cups. We do BackSnacks at my church- preparing backpacks for over 100 kids from a nearby school who have been identified by their teacher as showing signs of hunger. They take them home over the weekend. They include all kinds of processed stuff- puddng cups, granola bars, microwaveable cans of beef-a-roni, etc. I said something to one of our parishioners, a retired priest, about wanting to buy food to supply the backpacks and he said I'd better talk with the organizers. He said, "if the kids don't like the food, they'lll throw it away". I was floored. DH was riased in a family where there frequently wasn't enough to eat. NOTHING got thrown out. (Rotten/spoiled food never happened- it always got eaten before that point.) There's a lot we need to do to change people's perceptions of what's good food, and it's not easy. They're hooked on crap.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 13, 2011 18:31:23 GMT -5
Absolutely! That is the same argument I made earlier. Although not ideal, canned fruit and vegetables and frozen fruits and vegetables are a much better alternative to fresh produce than doritos. Same shelf life, and could easily be stocked in "the food deserts."
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Post by Firebird on Apr 13, 2011 18:32:34 GMT -5
I cannot even figure how anyone on foodstamps can waste one single solitary dime. Perhaps the rules are more generous when children are involved, but in NY State you will be in straits if you get these stamps.It's easy - if you can already afford food.And yes, foodstamps can be generous - it depends on your state but I actually have heard people complaining about how it's the end of the month and they need to "use up" the rest of their foodstamps so they don't go to waste, and how nice it would be if they could just have cash for the stamps they didn't spend
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 13, 2011 18:32:36 GMT -5
Hey it is low fat and has plenty of vitamins and calcium in them. Really? To the Google! Nutrition Facts Serving Size 1 serving Amount Per Serving Calories --- 140 Calories from Fat --- 35 % Daily Value* Total Fat -- 4g -- 6% Saturated Fat -- 1.5g -- 8% Trans Fat -- 0g Cholesterol -- 0mg -- 0% Sodium -- 190mg -- 8% Potassium -- 0mg -- 0% Total Carbohydrate -- 27g -- 9% Dietary Fiber -- 1g -- 4% Sugars -- 21g Protein -- 2g -- 4% Vitamin A 0% • Vitamin C 0% Calcium 6% • Iron 4% * Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs. Looks like mostly empty calories to me. The carbs are almost completely from simple sugars instead of whole grains or something. The vitamin content is practically nothing. And god only knows what kind of preservatives and junk the stuff is made with. ETA - Grrr... I can't link directly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 18:32:39 GMT -5
Why don't we just take their kids and put them in a camp where we can teach them everything they need to know? We only need to keep them there 15 or 20 years. That would stop the chain of abuse, poverty, crime, obesity, welfare - all of it! Unfortunately, the system of foster care we have now is rife with those things as well...
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 13, 2011 18:33:16 GMT -5
I said something to one of our parishioners, a retired priest, about wanting to buy food to supply the backpacks and he said I'd better talk with the organizers. He said, "if the kids don't like the food, they'lll throw it away". I was floored.
He has a point. Did you read the story about the Chicago school was mandating that all lunches had to be bought? Most of the kids in the school were receiving free lunches, but comments were made that most of the lunches that the kids had received wound up in the trash because the kids didn't like it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 18:34:50 GMT -5
You can get WIC and food stamps. I'm not sure how they impact one another. But WIC is only for pregnant/nursing mothers and young children (age 5 maybe?) ... so if food stamps stopped when a mom got pregnant, the older kids wouldn't eat...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 18:35:52 GMT -5
I have never been impressed with angel food ministries nutritional value either, i have to say. I've never bought, but every time i look at the list to consider it, i end up thinking, i don't eat this carp...
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Post by 973beachbum on Apr 13, 2011 18:36:16 GMT -5
" Unlike many other states, New York does not apply an asset test to most households applying for food stamps. If a member of the household has been previously sanctioned or disqualified from the program, the household will be subject to the asset test. In addition, households with elderly or disabled members which exceed the maximum monthly income limits may still qualify for food stamps in New York if their assets do not exceed a certain level. In 2011, this asset limit was $3,000.
Read more: New York State's Food Stamp Eligibility Requirements | eHow.com www.ehow.com/info_8186282_new-food-stamp-eligibility-requirements.html#ixzz1JRukUm3y"I couldn't find it but I read somewhere that Seniors regardless of assets were allowed to recieve food stamps. This atleast shows that it isn't that stringent.
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Post by 973beachbum on Apr 13, 2011 18:44:54 GMT -5
The first ingrediant is non fat milk and the second is water. And there are no preservatives. That is what the "canning" process is for. It does have sugar in it, but so does the fruit.
I am not saying that it is a health food. If someone has a sugar problem the first thing they teach them is sugar is sugar is sugar. The milk in it alone probably has about 15 grams of sugar all by itself. So the added is really only a few grams. Are you honestly saying no one should have anything that has any sugar in it?
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 13, 2011 18:47:23 GMT -5
You know...I have a sense of how many calories I eat per day. I might be off a bit here and there, but if I had to guess, I could pull out a few numbers. I have absolutely no idea how many calories my kids eat. So, whenever I look at the nutritional lables and I see that a lunchable has 33% of your recommended sodium, I wonder - are my kids eating 1000 calories, and this is 66%, or are they eating 3000 calories?
I mean - they run around all day, they stand up, sit down, run, play, jump on the bed. They are growing. They eat weird proportions. They have snacks, etc. I couldn't render a decent guess with any level of confidence, even if I had to. Anyone else feel that way?
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 13, 2011 18:47:54 GMT -5
I think he is saying that fruit is more nutritious than pudding.
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Post by 973beachbum on Apr 13, 2011 18:49:48 GMT -5
I'm not in NY I'm in NJ and was shocked when I heard the story that they did away with the limits for seniors. I don't know how many applied for it but I did volunteer at a food pantry and 90% of our clients were seniors. They all looked pretty normal middle class to me. I would imagine that they didn't have a high "income" but most seemed to have pretty substantial assets including homes, cars and retirement accounts that they were getting a check from every quarter.
While they weren't living high off the hog I find it ironic that it is allowed with one group of people to collect while having substantial assets but a younger person would be required to use all their assets first.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 18:51:37 GMT -5
Beach, I checked, you are right, NY does not require an asset max to get food stamps. Mmmmm, most of my master's class now are eligible for food stamps now. Interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 18:51:52 GMT -5
I was just saying, if the goal is better food... I'm not sure salisbury steak and breaded chicken patties, frozen meatballs, white rice, etc... is the way to go...
And part of the reason i guess there isn't a program with a list like WIC, is because we can't all agree on what should be on it...
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 13, 2011 18:52:45 GMT -5
Are you honestly saying no one should have anything that has any sugar in it? Of course not. I will say that most of your carbohydrate calories shouldn't be simple carbs from refined sugars though. Sugar may be sugar, but carbs aren't carbs. Complex carbs from whole grains would be a better choice than simple carbs from sugar. Honestly the pudding snacks were "healthier" than I thought they'd be. The sodium content was surprising though.
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Post by bobbysgirl on Apr 13, 2011 18:53:39 GMT -5
GIN: I believe children under 2 have a need for fat to develope healthy brain tissue. Thus the whole milk.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 18:56:53 GMT -5
GIN: I believe children under 2 have a need for fat to develope healthy brain tissue. Thus the whole milk. I agree they need it, my doctor mentioned to me that when I start trying to get pregnant to switch to whole milk, that is why I found it weird that WIC only allowed low fat milk.
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Post by 973beachbum on Apr 13, 2011 18:58:17 GMT -5
I think he is saying that fruit is more nutritious than pudding. I know that. What I am saying is if your only reason is that it has less sugar, which he said, in most cases it really isn't. In the case of canned fruit it probably had the vitamins cooked out too. If we were talking about an actually apple or banana I would agree but then again those pack quite well in my kids lunch boxes. ;D Personally I HATE high fructose corn syrup! I don't think cane sugar is nearly as bad for us. Anyone disagreeing with me can just look at the liver of a goose force fed corn to get froi gras. SP?
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 13, 2011 18:59:42 GMT -5
And part of the reason i guess there isn't a program with a list like WIC, is because we can't all agree on what should be on it... I don't think we need to come up with a list of approved food though. Just make a list of unapproved food and let the consumers figure the rest out. I think it'll be a lot easier for people to identify the least healthy crap in the grocery store and keep it from being bought. Things like soda, chips, frozen dinners, etc. We don't have to go way out into the weeds and say that cheddar cheese is healthier than mozzarella (just an example as I'm not sure which is actually healthier) or something, just get rid of the super unhealthy convenience food.
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Post by 973beachbum on Apr 13, 2011 19:02:18 GMT -5
Are you honestly saying no one should have anything that has any sugar in it? Of course not. I will say that most of your carbohydrate calories shouldn't be simple carbs from refined sugars though. Sugar may be sugar, but carbs aren't carbs. Complex carbs from whole grains would be a better choice than simple carbs from sugar. Honestly the pudding snacks were "healthier" than I thought they'd be. The sodium content was surprising though. Sorry typing at the same time. I agree that more whole grains should be eaten. And hopefully not just in fruit loops. I just don't think for an inner city dweller who is relying on the local mini mart to use their food stamps that it is very realistic. I think they are luck if they get the whole grain fruit loops to be honest. Then again there is a reason that I don't live there either. What about the sodium? Mine says 130 mg. It didin't seem high to me. Then again we have a water softener that adds more to my coffee than that everyday and I can't not use it. It is funny to me to be arguing this as I actually make my own homemade greek yogurt.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 13, 2011 19:04:18 GMT -5
We are missing the biggest key here.
Lobbyist!
You think the food industry will just lay down and let all those government dollar flow right out of their pockets? Pepsi wants us to believe that it is a fine breakfast drink. Twinkies - nothing more than a filled donut!
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Post by bobbysgirl on Apr 13, 2011 19:05:40 GMT -5
I wouldn't drive a stranger anywhere. Safety first. Maybe a store in the areas. But when I was a kid I saw our neighborhood go from a family one to iron bars on all of the stores with plenty of grafitti. Then the closing of the stores. How did all of this change? I don't have an answer.
I like the idea of allowing only good foods and t paper and toothpaste. But, some of you made good points that stores are not available to everyone. Nor are kitchens.
I don't like the states trying to control our purchases. How much do we put up with? The government shouldn't be in our cupboards. With that said, I confess, I am addicted to dark chocolate. Orange creams to be exact.
We need to exercise compassion, tempered with wisdom to solve the problems. I don't think we'll see that coming from government officials for a while though.
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Post by 973beachbum on Apr 13, 2011 19:07:51 GMT -5
We are missing the biggest key here. Lobbyist! You think the food industry will just lay down and let all those government dollar flow right out of their pockets? Pepsi wants us to believe that it is a fine breakfast drink. Twinkies - nothing more than a filled donut! Thyme it is more a case of the Congress using the food stamp USDA food system to "help" out the people that Congress wants supported. When I was at the food pantry regularly I could look at the foods sold to us cheap and tell you exactly what was being subsidized by the US government. For the record the leaders were Milk, Corn, Wheat and Chicken. And anyone want to guess what is most served in school lunches?
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 13, 2011 19:08:20 GMT -5
The sodium level varies by the flavor of the pudding cup, because the cocoa is processed with salt, so there's more in the chocolate flavors. They also have salt listed as an ingredient, and two salt based additives are used one of which is for texture. So that's four ingredients that are either pure salt or contain salt. One of the chocolate flavored Jello pudding cups is 10% of your daily value of salt. That seems high for a sweet snack. It's also assuming a 2000 calorie diet. For a younger child, who's probably eating half of that 2,000 calorie adult diet, one pudding cup is 20% of their daily salt value. That's a lot from one little snack cup. If you know about it and keep the salt content of other food down, it's probably fine. How many people do you suppose know that they're getting salt from their sugary pudding though? I'm guessing not many.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 13, 2011 19:08:28 GMT -5
I agree with that - but only to the point where I am using my own money. The state won't come in and tell me I'm not allowed to buy twinkies - it will just tell me that I'm not allowed to use government money to buy twinkies. Big, big, big - huge difference!
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Post by Firebird on Apr 13, 2011 19:10:58 GMT -5
I don't like the states trying to control our purchases. How much do we put up with? The government shouldn't be in our cupboards.Again, they're not controlling our purchases, they're controlling what food they're going to pay for us to purchase. Big difference, and an important distinction. You can purchase whatever food you want as long as you're using your own money
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Post by 973beachbum on Apr 13, 2011 19:11:59 GMT -5
Dark how many people know that the water they drink has high salt because of the water softener? I do use them as dessert for my kids. the ones I buy only say 5% and I don't add any salt to our food.
Then again my Dad died from a kidney decease.
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Post by bobbysgirl on Apr 13, 2011 19:13:47 GMT -5
I passed by a Carl's Jr (fast food hamburgers) yesterday with a banner saying "Now accepting EBT" I don't know what Carl's is, but I'm assuming it's a MCD of some sort. Maybe the use of FS could be limited to any healthy foods offered. Like salad or ice milk for dessert or milk and apples for sides. FF aren't bad food, just most people can't eat a few. Even ketchup has some sort of food value. A cheese burg on half a roll, skinnier roll, or wheat roll is OK. I think you understand where I'm going with this. I don't get it. We ate all that stuff when we were kids, and very few people were over weight. Then again, we ate 3 squares and played outside a lot. Any ideas?
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