Juneteenth in Tulsa? Seriously?

[Deleted]

A rally in Tulsa on Juneteenth. Is this their idea of uniting us? Are trump and his people oblivious or do they just not care?

[Tennesseer]

Either intentional or his office is blind and deaf to current events.

[Deleted]

I am a little ashamed to admit that I had no idea what Juneteenth was until quite recently...and Carrot's birthday is June 19th.  

[Lizard Queen]

I've never heard of it.

[giramomma]

Jun 11, 2020 7:55:43 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

I am a little ashamed to admit that I had no idea what Juneteenth was until quite recently...and Carrot's birthday is June 19th.  

Eh. Even here in libral la-la land Juneteeth day isn't as big as it is in other urban areas in our state.

ETA: I only know it existed because I was working with a population that celebrates it, and we were teaching them how to play songs  like Lift Every Voice and Sing, swing low, Wade in the Water, etc.

[Tennesseer]

Juneteenth:

Juneteenth (a portmanteau of "June" and "nineteenth"),[1] also known as Freedom Day,[2] Jubilee Day,[3] and Cel-Liberation Day,[4] is an American holiday celebrated on June 19. On June 19, 1865, the Emancipation Proclamation— which had been issued on January 1, 1863— was read to enslaved African Americans in Texas by Gordon Granger. Texas was the last Confederate State to have the proclamation announced, after the end of the American Civil War in April of that year. Texas was the most remote of the slave states, and minimal fighting meant there were few Union troops present to enforce the Emancipation Proclamation until after the war ended.

Celebrations of the day date back to 1866. At first, celebration involved church-centered community gatherings in Texas. It spread across the South and became more commercialized in the 1920s and 1930s. Often the centerpiece was a food festival. A third stage was reached in the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s, when the focus became the story of struggle for postwar civil rights. The 1970s saw a fourth stage, which returned the focus to African American freedom and arts. By the 21st century, Juneteenth was celebrated in most major cities across the United States. Activists are pushing Congress to recognize Juneteenth as a national holiday. Juneteenth is recognized as a state holiday or special day of observance in 47 of the 50 states.

Observance is primarily in local celebrations. Traditions include public readings of the Emancipation Proclamation, singing traditional songs such as "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot" and "Lift Every Voice and Sing", and reading of works by noted African-American writers such as Ralph Ellison and Maya Angelou. Celebrations include rodeos, street fairs, cookouts, family reunions, park parties, historical reenactments, or Miss Juneteenth contests. The Mascogos, descendants of Black Seminoles, of Coahuila, Mexico also celebrate Juneteenth.

Juneteenth

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Academy Art Museum’s 2020 Virtual Juneteenth Celebration Honors Eric Lowery
Easton, MD
| talbotspy.org | 2d

The Academy Art Museum will host a virtual Juneteenth celebration on Friday, June 19 and Saturday, June 20 featuring national as well as local African American artists and their arts. Juneteenth, one of the most important holidays in the country, marks the abolition of slavery. This year, in addition to commemorating Emancipation Day, celebrating the significant contributions of African Americans in our country, and reflecting on the common values that we share as a community, Juneteenth will be held in memory of civic leader Eric Lowery, past President of the Frederick Douglass Honor Society. Eric’s leadership led to a statue of Frederick Douglass on the grounds of the Talbot County Courthouse where slaves were once sold. He also served on a number of community boards while working in his career in technology at Chesapeake College. In 2011, the Museum partnered with the Frederick Douglass Honor Society to host the first Juneteenth Celebration in Easton.

[oped]

Whether you knew about it or not, Miller knew. This is his handiwork I’m sure. 

[Opti]

Its Trump. Its probably intentional in your face stuff he loves to those black folks who don't worship him. Sadly in NJ I read there was a counter-demonstration complete with Trump wear and a white man kneeling on another guy's neck. 

[Tiny]

I have heard of Juneteenth - because many of the "arts" I support have something related to it every June.   I'm talking about the "arts" that big mega corps and really wealthy people also support.   That would lead me to believe that people in Trump's administration have heard of it. 

Trump (and his people)  are NOT oblivious to it.  I strongly suspect it's intentional.  Trump used borderline rhetoric (and some direct phrases) and winks and nods to white nationalists and white supremacists  in his campaign speeches.     

And lets not forget how he describes their ranks as having "very fine people"  or "very good people". 

I'm pretty sure Trump is aware of who he's catering to. Either he doesn't think he cares (it's all manipulation to get votes/rile the opposition) OR he agrees with them. Both are evil actions.

(I don't think Trump came up with the idea to hold the rally on this particular day.  He's too busy playing golf, tweeting, and doing as he's told by his handlers.) 

[Tennesseer]

Tulsa race massacre

The Tulsa race massacre (also called the Tulsa race riot, the Greenwood Massacre, or the Black Wall Street Massacre) of 1921[9][10][11][12][13][14] took place on May 31 and June 1, 1921, when mobs of white residents attacked black residents and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma.[1] It has been called "the single worst incident of racial violence in American history."[15] The attack, carried out on the ground and from private aircraft, destroyed more than 35 square blocks of the district—at that time the wealthiest black community in the United States, known as "Black Wall Street".

More than 800 people were admitted to hospitals and as many as 6,000 black residents were interned at large facilities, many for several days.[16][17] The Oklahoma Bureau of Vital Statistics officially recorded 36 dead, but the American Red Cross declined to provide an estimate. A 2001 state commission examination of events was able to confirm 36 dead, 26 black and 10 white, based on contemporary autopsy reports, death certificates and other records.[1]:114 The commission gave overall estimates from 75–100 to 150–300 dead.[1]:13, 23

The massacre began over Memorial Day weekend after 19-year-old Dick Rowland, a black shoeshiner, was accused of assaulting Sarah Page, the 17-year-old white elevator operator of the nearby Drexel Building. He was taken into custody. A subsequent gathering of angry local whites outside the courthouse where Rowland was being held, and the spread of rumors he had been lynched, alarmed the local black population, some of whom arrived at the courthouse armed. Shots were fired and 12 people were killed: 10 white and 2 black.[18] As news of these deaths spread throughout the city, mob violence exploded.[2] White rioters rampaged through the black neighborhood that night and morning killing men and burning and looting stores and homes, and only around noon the next day Oklahoma National Guard troops managed to get control of the situation by declaring martial law. About 10,000 black people were left homeless, and property damage amounted to more than $1.5 million in real estate and $750,000 in personal property (equivalent to $32.25 million in 2019). Their property was never recovered nor were they compensated for it.

Many survivors left Tulsa, while black and white residents who stayed in the city were silent for decades about the terror, violence, and losses of this event. The massacre was largely omitted from local, state, and national histories.

WIKI:
Tulsa race massacre

[Lizard Queen]

Well, so far, this has shone a light on this holiday, but Tulsa's ugly past regarding race wars. The effect of this rally scheduled on this particular day may not have the desired result for the MAGAts.

[justme]

Dude, Black Wall Street was in Tulsa? I forgot where it was. Shit, someone in trumps team is just fucking evil personified to hold a trump in the city where Black Wall Street was destroyed on Juneteenth. Like how messed up is that shit? 

[Tennesseer]

Jun 11, 2020 10:10:54 GMT -5 justme said:

Dude, Black Wall Street was in Tulsa? I forgot where it was. Shit, someone in trumps team is just fucking evil personified to hold a trump in the city where Black Wall Street was destroyed on Juneteenth. Like how messed up is that shit? 

According to various TV reporters, while the White House has not announced what trump plans to speak about in Tulsa, he will talk about all the great things he has done for African-Americans in the U.S. like the historical low unemployment rate only he made happen for black Americans (thanks, Obama) prior to Covid-19.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jun 11, 2020 10:21:36 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 11, 2020 10:10:54 GMT -5 justme said:

Dude, Black Wall Street was in Tulsa? I forgot where it was. Shit, someone in trumps team is just fucking evil personified to hold a trump in the city where Black Wall Street was destroyed on Juneteenth. Like how messed up is that shit? 

According to various TV reporters, while the White House has not announced what trump plans to speak about in Tulsa, he will talk about all the great things he has done for African-Americans in the U.S. like the historical low unemployment rate only he made happen for black Americans (thanks, Obama) prior to Covid-19.

If he mentions Abraham Lincoln that's it.  I am voting myself off the island known as American 2020.

[azucena]

Of course he will mention Lincoln, that's likely the only other president he remembers by name besides Obama of course.

[Tennesseer]

Jun 11, 2020 10:25:17 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Jun 11, 2020 10:21:36 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

According to various TV reporters, while the White House has not announced what trump plans to speak about in Tulsa, he will talk about all the great things he has done for African-Americans in the U.S. like the historical low unemployment rate only he made happen for black Americans (thanks, Obama) prior to Covid-19.

If he mentions Abraham Lincoln that's it.  I am voting myself off the island known as American 2020.

trump probably shouldn't mention the current unemployment rate (May, 2020) for black Americans is 16.8%, the worst in over a decade.

Link

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jun 11, 2020 10:30:28 GMT -5 azucena said:

Of course he will mention Lincoln, that's likely the only other president he remembers by name besides Obama of course.

He knows Washington.  He stormed the British airports during the Revolution.

[azucena]

Jun 11, 2020 10:42:01 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Jun 11, 2020 10:30:28 GMT -5 azucena said:

Of course he will mention Lincoln, that's likely the only other president he remembers by name besides Obama of course.

He knows Washington.  He stormed the British airports during the Revolution.

ah yes, how could I forget LOL.  So his knowledge of presidents is on par with a third grader.  Sounds about right.

[justme]

Oh god, if anyone mentions Black Wall Street to him he's going to say something stupid about it. Ugh.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jun 11, 2020 10:30:28 GMT -5 azucena said:

Of course he will mention Lincoln, that's likely the only other president he remembers by name besides Obama of course.

Nevermind his aid beat him too it


Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale defended the Juneteenth rally date tweeting: "As the Party of Lincoln, Republicans are proud of what Juneteenth represents and the Emancipation Proclamation"


www.cnn.com/2020/06/11/politics/trump-kamala-harris-juneteenth-tulsa-rally/index.html

Pretty sure Lincoln would find the current Republican party unrecognizable.   They have more in common with the Democratic party of that era than they do Lincoln.

[justme]

Not to mention from what I recall from stuff I've read it's pretty iffy to hold Lincoln up as pro-black anti-slave. He was more pushed into it and saw that it'd be a rallying cry and a turning point vs having a hard moral stance on it. 

[thyme4change]

Jun 11, 2020 12:22:17 GMT -5 justme said:

Not to mention from what I recall from stuff I've read it's pretty iffy to hold Lincoln up as pro-black anti-slave. He was more pushed into it and saw that it'd be a rallying cry and a turning point vs having a hard moral stance on it. 

He supported the whole Liberia concept for awhile. End slavery, but then take all the black people off American soil and put them elsewhere. He later abandoned that one, but I'm not sure if that was a change of heart/mind, or just politics.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jun 11, 2020 12:22:17 GMT -5 justme said:

Not to mention from what I recall from stuff I've read it's pretty iffy to hold Lincoln up as pro-black anti-slave. He was more pushed into it and saw that it'd be a rallying cry and a turning point vs having a hard moral stance on it. 

From what I've read he held the view that slavery was immoral but that didn't mean he went as far as to consider African Americans his equals or that they deserved the same rights as white people.

Same with our founding fathers.   

That interferes with the "white savior" narrative we got going on in history books though.   These men were products of their time and while they may have held some more "liberal" views at the end of the day they were still men of their time with all the racism and sexism that went along with it.

[pulmonarymd]

Jun 11, 2020 12:29:15 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Jun 11, 2020 12:22:17 GMT -5 justme said:

Not to mention from what I recall from stuff I've read it's pretty iffy to hold Lincoln up as pro-black anti-slave. He was more pushed into it and saw that it'd be a rallying cry and a turning point vs having a hard moral stance on it. 

From what I've read he held the view that slavery was immoral but that didn't mean he went as far as to consider African Americans his equals or that they deserved the same rights as white people.

Same with our founding fathers.   

That interferes with the "white savior" narrative we got going on in history books though.   These men were products of their time and while they may have held some more "liberal" views at the end of the day they were still men of their time with all the racism and sexism that went along with it.

Right. But we are all products of our times. thing improve if those who are better people prevail over those who want the status quo. History improves incrementally, great upheavals occur with great pain. His motivation is less important than his actions. I suspect he would be on the right side of history if he was alive today. Being judged by people who lack the true understanding of the time is unfair to the individual. 

I suspect many of us were not in favor of same sex marriage when we were younger. Many, but not all of us now agree with it. Do you really want to be judged on those ideas. People can grow, learn, and change their minds.

[Deleted]

Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale defended the Juneteenth rally date tweeting: "As the Party of Lincoln, Republicans are proud of what Juneteenth represents and the Emancipation Proclamation"

IOW, they have no earthly idea how Juneteenth has anything to do with the riots in Tulsa on Juneteenth, 1921. Or they choose to ignore it.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Jun 11, 2020 12:54:30 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jun 11, 2020 12:29:15 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

From what I've read he held the view that slavery was immoral but that didn't mean he went as far as to consider African Americans his equals or that they deserved the same rights as white people.

Same with our founding fathers.   

That interferes with the "white savior" narrative we got going on in history books though.   These men were products of their time and while they may have held some more "liberal" views at the end of the day they were still men of their time with all the racism and sexism that went along with it.

Right. But we are all products of our times. thing improve if those who are better people prevail over those who want the status quo. History improves incrementally, great upheavals occur with great pain. His motivation is less important than his actions. I suspect he would be on the right side of history if he was alive today. Being judged by people who lack the true understanding of the time is unfair to the individual. 

I suspect many of us were not in favor of same sex marriage when we were younger. Many, but not all of us now agree with it. Do you really want to be judged on those ideas. People can grow, learn, and change their minds.

I don't judge.  I just don't put them on pedestals.   They are great men who did great things but they were not the God like enlightened figures we tend to make them out to be today.

I mean Hitler apparently did a lot of good when it comes to animal rights but that doesn't make him any less Hitler.   Nixon is a criminal but he also created the EPA and Earth day.    

People are nuanced and I believe we need to teach that in regards to history if we are ever going to learn from it.   We can't keep clinging to the white washed version of history we're all taught in school if we ever want society to truly change.   We've made progress but the institutional racism we're steeped in from birth goes all the way back to our foundation.  We have to get off our high horses.   

Doesn't mean we have to rip everyone out of the history books.  They existed and they impacted the way the world is run you can't pretend they never existed.  But we DO need to recognize all of them just not the parts of the narrative that keep us safe in our white bubbles.

[countrygirl2]

I learned about Juneteenth when we lived in Texas. But in some years not much of a celebration.

Hubs said oh trump is likely reaching out to the people of color.  I said no matter what kind of speech is written, he won't stay on point and will say something that will sink him. Then the protests and riots will start again. He wants that so election day will have martial law in effect.

I can't even imagine the speech that bigot miller is writing.0

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Trump reaching out to black people.  

[pulmonarymd]

Jun 11, 2020 13:04:56 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Jun 11, 2020 12:54:30 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Right. But we are all products of our times. thing improve if those who are better people prevail over those who want the status quo. History improves incrementally, great upheavals occur with great pain. His motivation is less important than his actions. I suspect he would be on the right side of history if he was alive today. Being judged by people who lack the true understanding of the time is unfair to the individual. 

I suspect many of us were not in favor of same sex marriage when we were younger. Many, but not all of us now agree with it. Do you really want to be judged on those ideas. People can grow, learn, and change their minds.

I don't judge.  I just don't put them on pedestals.   They are great men who did great things but they were not the God like enlightened figures we tend to make them out to be today.

I mean Hitler apparently did a lot of good when it comes to animal rights but that doesn't make him any less Hitler.   Nixon is a criminal but he also created the EPA and Earth day.    

People are nuanced and I believe we need to teach that in regards to history if we are ever going to learn from it.   We can't keep clinging to the white washed version of history we're all taught in school if we ever want society to truly change.   We've made progress but the institutional racism we're steeped in from birth goes all the way back to our foundation.  We have to get off our high horses.   

Doesn't mean we have to rip everyone out of the history books.  They existed and they impacted the way the world is run you can't pretend they never existed.  But we DO need to recognize all of them just not the parts of the narrative that keep us safe in our white bubbles.

I agree, but criticizing them because of our standards at our time is unfair. We are all human, with all our foibles. But they should be recognized and noted for improving our society, even if it was only incremental