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Post by haapai on Aug 7, 2020 11:36:25 GMT -5
What's wrong with challenge testing if the participants agree to it and know the risks? The usual answer is that people do it for the money. This leads to the possibility that it will be tested on the poor and desperate or that gatekeepers will demand a cut. The other common answer is that the risks are not known. Usually this means that the paid volunteer doesn't have the background to understand the risks or assess them. In this case it can be argued that nobody really understands the risks, including the folks conducting the trial. At this point we don't even really know what an infectious dose is. That leads to some possibility that the folks designing the challenge will under- or over-expose participants to the virus and there are built-in motivations for them to do either.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2020 11:44:29 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out if certain elected officials believe they can start school (in person) now, with few safety measures. And a wave of infections will go through and they will be done-ish by the time elections happen - and people will either forget, or be happy that we have moved on and that person will win the election.
Or, do they just believe that in-person school will create such a large economic benefit that everyone will be cool with people getting sick, and they will win the election.
Or, do they believe the 'this isn't so bad' narrative will hold on strong enough no matter what? Maybe they just believe the narrative?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 7, 2020 11:49:50 GMT -5
What's wrong with challenge testing if the participants agree to it and know the risks? It raises a whole bunch of ethical concerns. Even when people know the risks, they conveniently forget them during clinical trials. The rules and regulations for clinical testing are long and involved (and rightly so, due to some of the extreme abuses that happened in the past). Add to this that 50% of the study population is going to receive a placebo, and even if you wind up sick and recover, the risk of permanent heart or lung damage is not insignificant.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 7, 2020 11:50:58 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out if certain elected officials believe they can start school (in person) now, with few safety measures. And a wave of infections will go through and they will be done-ish by the time elections happen - and people will either forget, or be happy that we have moved on and that person will win the election. Or, do they just believe that in-person school will create such a large economic benefit that everyone will be cool with people getting sick, and they will win the election. Or, do they believe the 'this isn't so bad' narrative will hold on strong enough no matter what? Maybe they just believe the narrative? I think there is a lot of magical thinking out there, and a lot of discounting of science and medicine. They are hoping the predictions are wrong, and they can get away with making life seem normal before the elections, so people will not vote against them. They also know that the economy will continue to suffer if we can't open schools, and the economy improving will get them re-elected. So a combination of political calculation, cynicism, and ignorance. Nothing has ever gone wrong using those factors to make a decision, has it?
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2020 12:05:56 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out if certain elected officials believe they can start school (in person) now, with few safety measures. And a wave of infections will go through and they will be done-ish by the time elections happen - and people will either forget, or be happy that we have moved on and that person will win the election. Or, do they just believe that in-person school will create such a large economic benefit that everyone will be cool with people getting sick, and they will win the election. Or, do they believe the 'this isn't so bad' narrative will hold on strong enough no matter what? Maybe they just believe the narrative? I think there is a lot of magical thinking out there, and a lot of discounting of science and medicine. They are hoping the predictions are wrong, and they can get away with making life seem normal before the elections, so people will not vote against them. They also know that the economy will continue to suffer if we can't open schools, and the economy improving will get them re-elected. So a combination of political calculation, cynicism, and ignorance. Nothing has ever gone wrong using those factors to make a decision, has it? They are benefitting from people who are following recommendations 😷🏡. People who are throwing the early dire predictions around as proof that this is overblown are not taking into account that with 75% of people working to prevent transmission, of course the numbers are better.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 12:16:35 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out if certain elected officials believe they can start school (in person) now, with few safety measures. And a wave of infections will go through and they will be done-ish by the time elections happen - and people will either forget, or be happy that we have moved on and that person will win the election. Or, do they just believe that in-person school will create such a large economic benefit that everyone will be cool with people getting sick, and they will win the election. Or, do they believe the 'this isn't so bad' narrative will hold on strong enough no matter what? Maybe they just believe the narrative? I think there is a lot of magical thinking out there, and a lot of discounting of science and medicine. They are hoping the predictions are wrong, and they can get away with making life seem normal before the elections, so people will not vote against them. They also know that the economy will continue to suffer if we can't open schools, and the economy improving will get them re-elected. So a combination of political calculation, cynicism, and ignorance. Nothing has ever gone wrong using those factors to make a decision, has it? Yes, what the doc said. The leadership believes in magical thinking and wants to get reelected to avoid prison. They don't care if children and teachers die in the process. Not one bit. And, for some reason, people seem to be willing to play along in areas where the virus is exhibiting a lot of community spread. Faux News/OAN/RightNews, etc... shares the magical thinking daily, loudly, to millions of Americans who apparently believe it. They still tout hydroxyq. etc... My own mother has been a nurse for decades and her last job was running a nursing home. She went from the virus being serious and a vaccine being the answer to believing this is all hype, it will go away, and hudroxy is the answer. Right around the change in thinking, she started posting Faux News clips on FB and all the other fake crap that's going around. They are quite literally brainwashing old people into believing if Biden is elected everyone is going to die from ANTIFA terrorists and Trump has all the answers to the pandemic - despite neither being anywhere near the truth.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 7, 2020 15:34:24 GMT -5
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 7, 2020 17:38:12 GMT -5
If you can’t figure out the novel respiratory infection that kills people in their Prime is going to lay waste to a facility were half the people are on oxygen, you have no business working in public health. Though, in New York’s defense, the disease was running through many of those facilities before there was any kind of testing capacity. By the time it was recognized that it was spreading in nyc, it was too late. Add in the testing fiasco, lack of ppe, and the brutal increase in cases that occurred suddenly, and it was always going to be a disaster. What’s the excuse now? Having the disease run through a nursing home when there was no testing capacity is one thing. Refusing to lock down the nursing homes and deliberately sending people you knew had Covid into the middle of them is something else entirely. For example, the nursing home my stepdad is going to go to in Massachusetts force the nurses who had Covid to return to work before they were recovered. They also refused to separate the people who had Covid from the people who didn’t. A lot of people died unnecessarily as a result of those two boneheaded decisions.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 7, 2020 17:44:39 GMT -5
By the time it was recognized that it was spreading in nyc, it was too late. Add in the testing fiasco, lack of ppe, and the brutal increase in cases that occurred suddenly, and it was always going to be a disaster. What’s the excuse now? Having the disease run through a nursing home when there was no testing capacity is one thing. Refusing to lock down the nursing homes and deliberately sending people you knew had Covid into the middle of them is something else entirely. For example, the nursing home my stepdad is going to go to in Massachusetts force the nurses who had Covid to return to work before they were recovered. They also refused to separate the people who had Covid from the people who didn’t. A lot of people died unnecessarily as a result of those two boneheaded decisions. You know, for someone with a strong opinion about this, you do not understand the situation, nor does anecdote equal data. The situation in the early days was a crisis. Hospitals in nyc, in many cases, eventually expanded capacity by 40%. People were having to card for patients outside of their specialty and area of expertise. Nurses and doctors were stretched thin, and getting sick due to lack of ppe. It literally was a war zone. Things were done that should not have been done, but under the circumstances, there were no choice. People were sent back to nursing homes so sicker patients could be admitted. We were close to being overwhelmed, but never got there. We would have been making decisions that no one should have to make. But go ahead and criticize all of this. Live in your right wing fantasy that red states would have done so much better
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 7, 2020 18:31:59 GMT -5
Having the disease run through a nursing home when there was no testing capacity is one thing. Refusing to lock down the nursing homes and deliberately sending people you knew had Covid into the middle of them is something else entirely. For example, the nursing home my stepdad is going to go to in Massachusetts force the nurses who had Covid to return to work before they were recovered. They also refused to separate the people who had Covid from the people who didn’t. A lot of people died unnecessarily as a result of those two boneheaded decisions. You know, for someone with a strong opinion about this, you do not understand the situation, nor does anecdote equal data. The situation in the early days was a crisis. Hospitals in nyc, in many cases, eventually expanded capacity by 40%. People were having to card for patients outside of their specialty and area of expertise. Nurses and doctors were stretched thin, and getting sick due to lack of ppe. It literally was a war zone. Things were done that should not have been done, but under the circumstances, there were no choice. People were sent back to nursing homes so sicker patients could be admitted. We were close to being overwhelmed, but never got there. We would have been making decisions that no one should have to make. But go ahead and criticize all of this. Live in your right wing fantasy that red states would have done so much better For February and March, I completely agree with you At some point, my town took over some of the closed rec centers to house people who had no place to go. Don’t understand why New York couldn’t have done the same. And while you talk about the lack of hospital space, The Javitz Center pop-up hospital was deliberately kept mostly empty for months, even after they started taking Covid patients. You said before that Republicans are the only ones who do counterproductive things to score political points. Keeping a pop-up hospital mostly empty while you’re short on hospital beds, and using the fact that you’re short on hospital beds as an excuse to continue sending people with Covid into nursing homes, seems just as idiotic as Republican governors attacking Democrat mayors for instituting a mask order.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 7, 2020 18:36:21 GMT -5
I was in Trader Joes today and the sign did not just say that masks are required. It said masks must be worn over your nose and below your chin for the entire time you are in the store. Yeah, I'm seeing masks at "half-mast". Makes me wanna cough on them. Yeah that pisses me off too. One can only hope that they’re breathing in through your nose and out through the mouth.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 7, 2020 18:42:28 GMT -5
The thing with nursing home patients is trickier than it seems on the surface. Many have dementia, and the nursing home is their long-term home. My mom had dementia, was in and out of hospital the last few years of her life. She has a good 2-3 days at the hospital before she started going insane: hallucinations, restless wandering, calling me in the middle of the night. Often, they'd let her hang out in a wheelchair at the nurse's station. That's all they need to deal with on a covid ward.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 18:46:25 GMT -5
EVERYONE can live for the next year without many things people insist on doing and yet they refuse. And, because of that refusal we have hundreds of thousands of people dying and millions infected. If no HS student attended school this year, who exactly would said students be "behind". No one. But, hey, let's follow the OT and send our kids to school anyway already knowing many people will be exposed and getting sick. Let's fly kids into colleges and universities. Let's play sports. Let's go on vacation, have parties, etc... But, it's fine, because we learned yesterday that by Nov 3 the OT will have a magical vaccine to make everyone better. Still waiting for him to announce we will be using the Russian unproven vaccine. Or, perhaps we will start challenge testing like they are talking to switching to... I thought we didn't experiment with people in this way in the US and had this special FDA process of trials and scientific method. When I mentioned usurping that I was told I was horrible and spreading fake news. Apparently not. Anyone want to volunteer or will we just test poor folks, black folks, or perhaps those in the immigrant concentration camps we currently run? www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/controversial-human-challenge-trials-covid-19-vaccines-gain-supportCompanies are trying hard to enroll Black and Latinos into the vaccine trials. These groups are higher risk so really need to determine if vaccine is effective and safe in these riskier groups That is quite a situation, isn’t it? It’s not hard to figure out why minorities aren’t lining up in droves to participate in the trials. It requires trust that has been horribly abused in the past. No thanks.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 7, 2020 18:50:50 GMT -5
Was the heartbreaking human devastation in NY, NJ, and Massachusetts not shocking enough to prove the virus is real?? Sadly, all of those people who died in March and April died in vain. Apparently not, since it happened in those liberal havens. Wasn’t going to affect real Americans And New Yorkers had China has a warning. Chinese new year is the one time that people who work in factories get to go home and see their families in the countryside. The factories are shut down for weeks. The Chinese government wouldn’t have prevented people from going home for New Year’s if all hell wasn’t breaking loose In Wuhan.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 7, 2020 19:05:13 GMT -5
EVERYONE can live for the next year without many things people insist on doing and yet they refuse. And, because of that refusal we have hundreds of thousands of people dying and millions infected. If no HS student attended school this year, who exactly would said students be "behind". No one. But, hey, let's follow the OT and send our kids to school anyway already knowing many people will be exposed and getting sick. Let's fly kids into colleges and universities. Let's play sports. Let's go on vacation, have parties, etc... But, it's fine, because we learned yesterday that by Nov 3 the OT will have a magical vaccine to make everyone better. Still waiting for him to announce we will be using the Russian unproven vaccine. Or, perhaps we will start challenge testing like they are talking to switching to... I thought we didn't experiment with people in this way in the US and had this special FDA process of trials and scientific method. When I mentioned usurping that I was told I was horrible and spreading fake news. Apparently not. Anyone want to volunteer or will we just test poor folks, black folks, or perhaps those in the immigrant concentration camps we currently run? www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/controversial-human-challenge-trials-covid-19-vaccines-gain-supportCompanies are trying hard to enroll Black and Latinos into the vaccine trials. These groups are higher risk so really need to determine if vaccine is effective and safe in these riskier groups Lots of luck with that. These 2 groups have been abused so badly in clinical trials that it is almost impossible to get a decent number to enroll. We have fought this battle for decades. You can thank scientists back in the 1940s-1970s for this. Personally, I don’t blame them and I was one trying to enroll these in studies.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 7, 2020 19:07:12 GMT -5
Companies are trying hard to enroll Black and Latinos into the vaccine trials. These groups are higher risk so really need to determine if vaccine is effective and safe in these riskier groups That is quite a situation, isn’t it? It’s not hard to figure out why minorities aren’t lining up in droves to participate in the trials. It requires trust that has been horribly abused in the past. No thanks. Yep.....so much this. I get it.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 7, 2020 19:45:12 GMT -5
You know, for someone with a strong opinion about this, you do not understand the situation, nor does anecdote equal data. The situation in the early days was a crisis. Hospitals in nyc, in many cases, eventually expanded capacity by 40%. People were having to card for patients outside of their specialty and area of expertise. Nurses and doctors were stretched thin, and getting sick due to lack of ppe. It literally was a war zone. Things were done that should not have been done, but under the circumstances, there were no choice. People were sent back to nursing homes so sicker patients could be admitted. We were close to being overwhelmed, but never got there. We would have been making decisions that no one should have to make. But go ahead and criticize all of this. Live in your right wing fantasy that red states would have done so much better For February and March, I completely agree with you At some point, my town took over some of the closed rec centers to house people who had no place to go. Don’t understand why New York couldn’t have done the same. And while you talk about the lack of hospital space, The Javitz Center pop-up hospital was deliberately kept mostly empty for months, even after they started taking Covid patients. You said before that Republicans are the only ones who do counterproductive things to score political points. Keeping a pop-up hospital mostly empty while you’re short on hospital beds, and using the fact that you’re short on hospital beds as an excuse to continue sending people with Covid into nursing homes, seems just as idiotic as Republican governors attacking Democrat mayors for instituting a mask order. What would be the point of opening pop-up hospitals when you've run out of PPE and staff? www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/31/21201281/coronavirus-staffing-shortage-governors-health-care-workers-help
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 7, 2020 21:00:01 GMT -5
You know, for someone with a strong opinion about this, you do not understand the situation, nor does anecdote equal data. The situation in the early days was a crisis. Hospitals in nyc, in many cases, eventually expanded capacity by 40%. People were having to card for patients outside of their specialty and area of expertise. Nurses and doctors were stretched thin, and getting sick due to lack of ppe. It literally was a war zone. Things were done that should not have been done, but under the circumstances, there were no choice. People were sent back to nursing homes so sicker patients could be admitted. We were close to being overwhelmed, but never got there. We would have been making decisions that no one should have to make. But go ahead and criticize all of this. Live in your right wing fantasy that red states would have done so much better For February and March, I completely agree with you At some point, my town took over some of the closed rec centers to house people who had no place to go. Don’t understand why New York couldn’t have done the same. And while you talk about the lack of hospital space, The Javitz Center pop-up hospital was deliberately kept mostly empty for months, even after they started taking Covid patients. You said before that Republicans are the only ones who do counterproductive things to score political points. Keeping a pop-up hospital mostly empty while you’re short on hospital beds, and using the fact that you’re short on hospital beds as an excuse to continue sending people with Covid into nursing homes, seems just as idiotic as Republican governors attacking Democrat mayors for instituting a mask order. I am a lot closer to nyc than you are, and I have first hand experience with this from March. You are completely misinformed. Javits was not ready until April, and the plan was for it to be non-covid patients originally, due to the concern about its ability to spread rapidly( a reasonable concern given the number of healthcare workers involved). Since you are voting chins as an example, maybe our federal government could have given the guidance they learned from China. Isn’t that why we have a federal government. Trump left by out to dry, and if what is a exported about Kushner is true, it was deliberate. In addition, testing was a nightmare, taking days to come back. There was no prayer to control this epidemic at that point. And given what has transpired since, the lack of leadership from the beginning is still haunting us. And continue to believe you will control this. Every place that is exploding thought the same thing. The virus is inexorably making its way across the country. It is only a matter of time before it makes its way back to me, despite our best efforts. In this situation, we are only as strong as our weakest link
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 7, 2020 21:05:02 GMT -5
Apparently not, since it happened in those liberal havens. Wasn’t going to affect real Americans And New Yorkers had China has a warning. Chinese new year is the one time that people who work in factories get to go home and see their families in the countryside. The factories are shut down for weeks. The Chinese government wouldn’t have prevented people from going home for New Year’s if all hell wasn’t breaking loose In Wuhan. So, The leadership in NY, should have been a responsible for all of this. The federal government has no role to play in any of this? This despite the fact that, until trump removed our presence, we has a liaison with the Chinese version of the cdc. Seems kind of important now to have had a better idea of what we were up against. And given the rebellion against masks, what do you think would have happened if Ny did what you are proposing, what do you think the response would have been. Again, this is where a strong f derail response would have helped
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Post by countrygirl2 on Aug 7, 2020 21:15:17 GMT -5
Horrible, we set records the last 2 days in Indiana, 1056 or so day before 1,253 yesterday.
We had a church here that had a fish fry open to the public. I don't know how many in the last week but 12 yesterday and we are a small population area. In the whole county less then 20k and in the small town is about 4600. They will not social distance, they will not wear masks. The last week they are doing better. But I still see some holdouts, almost like a badge, I guess to agree with trump. How damn stupid. Bet tomorrow sets another record.
And school hasn't even started yet locally has in some other counties. Going to take some local deaths of school age children before these idiots will finally listen. If we had just had leadership from the top, this might have been so much better.
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Post by lurkyloo on Aug 8, 2020 10:07:25 GMT -5
We had a popup testing site in our zip code a couple of weeks ago. I’ve been waiting to see a local spike from it; we saw a few days of higher than usual cases (5 instead of 0-2), but we got 12 today So now I’m wondering whether test reporting really is more than 2 weeks delayed? Or did we have another event of a whole family or three passing it around? Maybe there’s a delay in reporting to the state and the individuals get their results faster than the state hears about them? Trying to reconcile the data makes my head hurt. Our hospitalizations are down about 2/3 from the peak even though confirmed cases are not down by nearly as much. Unclear how much is from increased testing vs a younger population getting infected.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 8, 2020 11:29:07 GMT -5
We had a popup testing site in our zip code a couple of weeks ago. I’ve been waiting to see a local spike from it; we saw a few days of higher than usual cases (5 instead of 0-2), but we got 12 today So now I’m wondering whether test reporting really is more than 2 weeks delayed? Or did we have another event of a whole family or three passing it around? Maybe there’s a delay in reporting to the state and the individuals get their results faster than the state hears about them? Trying to reconcile the data makes my head hurt. Our hospitalizations are down about 2/3 from the peak even though confirmed cases are not down by nearly as much. Unclear how much is from increased testing vs a younger population getting infected. There are days that appear to be data dumps, where older positives are reported. That’s why 7 day average is a better market of what is going on
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 8, 2020 13:03:24 GMT -5
We had a popup testing site in our zip code a couple of weeks ago. I’ve been waiting to see a local spike from it; we saw a few days of higher than usual cases (5 instead of 0-2), but we got 12 today So now I’m wondering whether test reporting really is more than 2 weeks delayed? Or did we have another event of a whole family or three passing it around? Maybe there’s a delay in reporting to the state and the individuals get their results faster than the state hears about them? Trying to reconcile the data makes my head hurt. Our hospitalizations are down about 2/3 from the peak even though confirmed cases are not down by nearly as much. Unclear how much is from increased testing vs a younger population getting infected. There are days that appear to be data dumps, where older positives are reported. That’s why 7 day average is a better market of what is going on ^. So much this. If you look at the daily cases, you can see the variation. You can also tell which days are Sat and Sun just by the data released. This is why daily counts are really a useless indicator and it’s more important to look at either the 7 day or 14 day rolling average. I have also been paying a lot of attention to the % positive cases. WA was pushing 6% for awhile, and the last data I saw coming out it’s looking like we are around 5% now. I would feel more comfortable if it was around 2%. It seems that there is a 2-4 week lag between the time where something is instituted until we seem to see a response in numbers. The decrease we are seeing now is probably about the time where masks were required, not just strongly suggested.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Aug 8, 2020 14:06:19 GMT -5
Here there is a noticeable drop in test results reported on Sunday and Monday.
The positive % for my county is nearing 15%. That is one parameter for the schools to go online. The other county that is way over 15% has a prison and the governor is attributed their cases to the prison (of course employees don't live in the community). We don't have a prison. We just have an outbreak that has been ongoing since early June. It is not slowing down and we are still have deaths in this county almost every other day.
There is a bar owner who has been moved to the Univ of Wisconsin hospitals in Madison because there was nothing more the hospitals in Dubuque could do for him. He has been on a ventilator since early July. His family shared the information to the local newspaper and was trying to get people to wear masks. Of course, young people don't read the paper.
Since school has not started yet, the local schools can't meet the 10% absenteeism mandate. Governor says it has to be over 15% positive rate and 10% absenteeism and then a school district can request to go virtual for 14 days.
I also look at the 7 day average.
When the state paid $26 million for Test Iowa, we were supposed to be doing 5000 tests a day. We have yet to see 5000 tests a day and Test Iowa is not the only place doing testing.
The test result for the test I got before my medical procedure still does not show up in my records. The procedure results do, but not the covid test results.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 8, 2020 14:09:51 GMT -5
As of a couple days ago, my county's %positive rate was 2.6%. there was also an article about a massive breakout in the local prison, but it appears that is completely divorced from the county numbers.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 8, 2020 14:15:07 GMT -5
There are days that appear to be data dumps, where older positives are reported. That’s why 7 day average is a better market of what is going on ^. So much this. If you look at the daily cases, you can see the variation. You can also tell which days are Sat and Sun just by the data released. This is why daily counts are really a useless indicator and it’s more important to look at either the 7 day or 14 day rolling average. I have also been paying a lot of attention to the % positive cases. WA was pushing 6% for awhile, and the last data I saw coming out it’s looking like we are around 5% now. I would feel more comfortable if it was around 2%. It seems that there is a 2-4 week lag between the time where something is instituted until we seem to see a response in numbers. The decrease we are seeing now is probably about the time where masks were required, not just strongly suggested. That goes along well with the incubation time. That’s why each stage of opening needed to be 4 weeks apart so you can really see if cases spike. Another reason why we are in the shape we are in
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 8, 2020 14:52:39 GMT -5
^. So much this. If you look at the daily cases, you can see the variation. You can also tell which days are Sat and Sun just by the data released. This is why daily counts are really a useless indicator and it’s more important to look at either the 7 day or 14 day rolling average. I have also been paying a lot of attention to the % positive cases. WA was pushing 6% for awhile, and the last data I saw coming out it’s looking like we are around 5% now. I would feel more comfortable if it was around 2%. It seems that there is a 2-4 week lag between the time where something is instituted until we seem to see a response in numbers. The decrease we are seeing now is probably about the time where masks were required, not just strongly suggested. That goes along well with the incubation time. That’s why each stage of opening needed to be 4 weeks apart so you can really see if cases spike. Another reason why we are in the shape we are in Yep. Still glad that we have a governor that is listening to the science.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 8, 2020 15:40:08 GMT -5
That goes along well with the incubation time. That’s why each stage of opening needed to be 4 weeks apart so you can really see if cases spike. Another reason why we are in the shape we are in Yep. Still glad that we have a governor that is listening to the science. Me too, ours has listened to the science as well
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Post by haapai on Aug 8, 2020 16:19:32 GMT -5
Everything above the fold in this week's free paper (AKA driveway litter) is derived from an interview with a school superintendent in the next county. The school district did a survey asking parents what they wanted for school re-opening. Overwhelmingly, they wanted five-day in-person instruction. He's now reporting that after having folks from the local (two-county) health department physically map out the building, there's just absolutely no way to do that. A hybrid model, half-here/ half-remote is necessary to meet the most elementary distancing requirements.
He seems to be pleading for starting the school year remotely and for parents to opt for distance-only if they can possibly swing it. The school year doesn't begin until August 31 in his district and the article is a reprint of something that appeared elsewhere. possibly ten days or a week ago. The school district in question isn't particularly poor or overcrowded and is quite rural.
I've got some suspicions that a lot of the school districts around here that have opted to begin the school year remotely may run into similar issues when they actually get around to figuring out if there is any way to seat kids six feet apart in their existing buildings. They may not be able to meet that most basic requirement even if they cannibalize every non-classroom space in their facilities.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 8, 2020 19:44:08 GMT -5
Everything above the fold in this week's free paper (AKA driveway litter) is derived from an interview with a school superintendent in the next county. The school district did a survey asking parents what they wanted for school re-opening. Overwhelmingly, they wanted five-day in-person instruction. He's now reporting that after having folks from the local (two-county) health department physically map out the building, there's just absolutely no way to do that. A hybrid model, half-here/ half-remote is necessary to meet the most elementary distancing requirements.
He seems to be pleading for starting the school year remotely and for parents to opt for distance-only if they can possibly swing it. The school year doesn't begin until August 31 in his district and the article is a reprint of something that appeared elsewhere. possibly ten days or a week ago. The school district in question isn't particularly poor or overcrowded and is quite rural.
I've got some suspicions that a lot of the school districts around here that have opted to begin the school year remotely may run into similar issues when they actually get around to figuring out if there is any way to seat kids six feet apart in their existing buildings. They may not be able to meet that most basic requirement even if they cannibalize every non-classroom space in their facilities.
How long ago was the survey of parents taken? I still believe that a majority want 5-day in person, but I wonder if there has been an attitude shift. I know as the date gets closer, I get increasingly worried about in person school. In June, when I was asked by the schools, I said I preferred in person learning. I don't know if I really insist my children need it, or I just desperately want to go back to normal. I was relieved when my kids' schools pushed back their innperson dates.
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