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Post by teen persuasion on Aug 8, 2020 20:20:30 GMT -5
Everything above the fold in this week's free paper (AKA driveway litter) is derived from an interview with a school superintendent in the next county. The school district did a survey asking parents what they wanted for school re-opening. Overwhelmingly, they wanted five-day in-person instruction. He's now reporting that after having folks from the local (two-county) health department physically map out the building, there's just absolutely no way to do that. A hybrid model, half-here/ half-remote is necessary to meet the most elementary distancing requirements.
He seems to be pleading for starting the school year remotely and for parents to opt for distance-only if they can possibly swing it. The school year doesn't begin until August 31 in his district and the article is a reprint of something that appeared elsewhere. possibly ten days or a week ago. The school district in question isn't particularly poor or overcrowded and is quite rural.
I've got some suspicions that a lot of the school districts around here that have opted to begin the school year remotely may run into similar issues when they actually get around to figuring out if there is any way to seat kids six feet apart in their existing buildings. They may not be able to meet that most basic requirement even if they cannibalize every non-classroom space in their facilities.
How long ago was the survey of parents taken? I still believe that a majority want 5-day in person, but I wonder if there has been an attitude shift. I know as the date gets closer, I get increasingly worried about in person school. In June, when I was asked by the schools, I said I preferred in person learning. I don't know if I really insist my children need it, or I just desperately want to go back to normal. I was relieved when my kids' schools pushed back their innperson dates. eI'm seeing an attitude shift, too, as reality sets in. I wouldn't mind 100% remote learning, IFF they have figured out how to do remote. This spring was beyond useless. So when our district did a survey (early June), I was torn, and eventually chose in person because it's what I'd prefer if it's safe to do. By the time they released results, I was leaning more to hybrid, and apparently 15 or 17% on the original survey actually wanted remote only. We've all been waiting to see how Covid numbers trended over the summer, before deciding on school. And our NY numbers are good, hospitalization and deaths keep dropping, positivity is 1% and holding. Now that Cuomo has said ok, districts can open and decide how - everyone is wavering. Those that want 100% in person need the kids in school because they work, and secondarily think kids need the social aspect. Everyone who might be able to swing remote, and are concerned with exposure, are getting cold feet to go back to normal. Especially with the uptick in other states (which will eventually seep in here). I think maybe we never really believed we'd have the option to reopen this fall, and now that we have it we don't want it. We wanted someone else to tell us NO.
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Post by lurkyloo on Aug 8, 2020 21:35:07 GMT -5
We had a popup testing site in our zip code a couple of weeks ago. I’ve been waiting to see a local spike from it; we saw a few days of higher than usual cases (5 instead of 0-2), but we got 12 today So now I’m wondering whether test reporting really is more than 2 weeks delayed? Or did we have another event of a whole family or three passing it around? Maybe there’s a delay in reporting to the state and the individuals get their results faster than the state hears about them? Trying to reconcile the data makes my head hurt. Our hospitalizations are down about 2/3 from the peak even though confirmed cases are not down by nearly as much. Unclear how much is from increased testing vs a younger population getting infected. There are days that appear to be data dumps, where older positives are reported. That’s why 7 day average is a better market of what is going on I don’t think anyone who’s been following the daily data roller coaster or looked at the graphs with their clear periodicity would disagree that the seven day average is more meaningful than a single day’s totals...but I’m not sure how this is relevant to what I was talking about? I was actually looking for a spike caused by a single-day testing event, and wondering if it correlated to the 15 cases reported over 4 days about a week after the event, or the single-day 14 case total that was reported more than two weeks after the event. I really hope that, if it was even partially the latter, the people testing positive got their results long before they made it to the state website. I’m quite familiar with sudden data dumps. Virginia had an ugly one either today or yesterday.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 9, 2020 6:31:15 GMT -5
There are days that appear to be data dumps, where older positives are reported. That’s why 7 day average is a better market of what is going on I don’t think anyone who’s been following the daily data roller coaster or looked at the graphs with their clear periodicity would disagree that the seven day average is more meaningful than a single day’s totals...but I’m not sure how this is relevant to what I was talking about? I was actually looking for a spike caused by a single-day testing event, and wondering if it correlated to the 15 cases reported over 4 days about a week after the event, or the single-day 14 case total that was reported more than two weeks after the event. I really hope that, if it was even partially the latter, the people testing positive got their results long before they made it to the state website. I’m quite familiar with sudden data dumps. Virginia had an ugly one either today or yesterday. But most times that is what causes the outlier days. A blip without a consistent rise is likely an outlier. The virus contagiousness guarantees more cases will follow l. If they don’t follow a spike, it is likely not significant . We had a day here where we had a sudden spike. But the next day we were back to our baseline. People were reading all kind of things into it for a few days, even though the state said it was a data . Without contact tracing to follow up your concern, no way to know unless you see a trend
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Post by haapai on Aug 9, 2020 11:02:27 GMT -5
.Idon't know when the survey was taken. There aren't any dates regarding it in the article. Also, when the free rag reprints stuff, they usually omit the original date on which another newspaper published it. The school board web page is no help either. They haven't updated their minutes in over a month.
However, I share your suspicion that the survey might have been taken quite a few weeks ago. The county reported eight new covid cases last week which works out to about 7 new cases per 100,000. That's down from earlier in the pandemic but still about a third of the rate of new cases in my own county.
Damn! I wish that the NYT labeled things better in their county pop-ups. I don't think that information means what I originally assumed it meant.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 17:15:37 GMT -5
Texas is in the top 5 states for our contribution to national case totals. And meanwhile, state leadership (if you can call it that) invites the NRA to move here.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 9, 2020 18:23:05 GMT -5
.Idon't know when the survey was taken. There aren't any dates regarding it in the article. Also, when the free rag reprints stuff, they usually omit the original date on which another newspaper published it. The school board web page is no help either. They haven't updated their minutes in over a month.
However, I share your suspicion that the survey might have been taken quite a few weeks ago. The county reported eight new covid cases last week which works out to about 7 new cases per 100,000. That's down from earlier in the pandemic but still about a third of the rate of new cases in my own county.
Damn! I wish that the NYT labeled things better in their county pop-ups. I don't think that information means what I originally assumed it meant.
Our governor, state, and local papers report these statistics down to the county level daily. The state health department has case numbers updated daily for each town. I can follow this as closely as I like, and we can tell what is happening. And, since our governor is transparent, he will tell us why we have some spikes, and he is believed. It is amazing when your government tries to keep you informed, and that the parties in my state aren’t sniping about this issue, at least. One reason we are in a good place right know. Who knows how long our good fortune will last. Given this virus’ behavior, I am pessimistic that we will continue on this path, unfortunately
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Post by lurkyloo on Aug 9, 2020 18:54:07 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone who’s been following the daily data roller coaster or looked at the graphs with their clear periodicity would disagree that the seven day average is more meaningful than a single day’s totals...but I’m not sure how this is relevant to what I was talking about? I was actually looking for a spike caused by a single-day testing event, and wondering if it correlated to the 15 cases reported over 4 days about a week after the event, or the single-day 14 case total that was reported more than two weeks after the event. I really hope that, if it was even partially the latter, the people testing positive got their results long before they made it to the state website. I’m quite familiar with sudden data dumps. Virginia had an ugly one either today or yesterday. But most times that is what causes the outlier days. A blip without a consistent rise is likely an outlier. The virus contagiousness guarantees more cases will follow l. If they don’t follow a spike, it is likely not significant . We had a day here where we had a sudden spike. But the next day we were back to our baseline. People were reading all kind of things into it for a few days, even though the state said it was a data . Without contact tracing to follow up your concern, no way to know unless you see a trend Related, but not relevant. Again, I am looking for a spike or broader rise in local cases related to a specific testing event. You are giving me an unnecessary and unasked for explanation of other causes of spikes. Pontificate as you like, but I would really appreciate it if you would stop quoting me. It invariably comes across as mansplaining and like most people these days, my patience is running thin. Thank you.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 9, 2020 18:57:17 GMT -5
But most times that is what causes the outlier days. A blip without a consistent rise is likely an outlier. The virus contagiousness guarantees more cases will follow l. If they don’t follow a spike, it is likely not significant . We had a day here where we had a sudden spike. But the next day we were back to our baseline. People were reading all kind of things into it for a few days, even though the state said it was a data . Without contact tracing to follow up your concern, no way to know unless you see a trend Related, but not relevant. Again, I am looking for a spike or broader rise in local cases related to a specific testing event. You are giving me an unnecessary and unasked for explanation of other causes of spikes. Pontificate as you like, but I would really appreciate it if you would stop quoting me. It invariably comes across as mansplaining and like most people these days, my patience is running thin. Thank you. Sure, but you are trying to see something that you will not likely be able to do. Epidemiologists often n have difficulty teasing these things out. But I will do as you ask
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Post by busymom on Aug 9, 2020 18:58:16 GMT -5
I'm sort of waiting to see what happens after the Sturgis biker rally is over. Approximately 250,000 bikers in one town for 10 days. A reporter that was hanging around there claimed they only saw around 10 people wearing masks over a 2 hour time period. This could get ugly.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 9, 2020 19:10:47 GMT -5
... It invariably comes across as mansplaining ... lol, and I was taking it as him posting not so much as with his penis but with his stethoscope.
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Post by lurkyloo on Aug 9, 2020 19:24:39 GMT -5
... It invariably comes across as mansplaining ... lol, and I was taking it as him posting not so much as with his penis but with his stethoscope. I could demand to be addressed as Dr lurkyloo but I mostly only do that to people I don’t like.
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Post by seriousthistime on Aug 9, 2020 19:45:16 GMT -5
And I surely don't know, but pulmonarymd does not have a gender identified on his/her profile, and has referred to a spouse, not a husband or wife. Are we making an inaccurate assumption about gender here, i.e., a physician who speaks with authority is male? Or maybe I missed something alone the way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 20:17:25 GMT -5
And I surely don't know, but pulmonarymd does not have a gender identified on his/her profile, and has referred to a spouse, not a husband or wife. Are we making an inaccurate assumption about gender here, i.e., a physician who speaks with authority is male? Or maybe I missed something alone the way. We've had this discussion before. Pulmonary is a HE which kind of threw me for a loop as I always thought he was a she. I've now retrained my brain but it took a while!
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Post by lurkyloo on Aug 9, 2020 20:20:01 GMT -5
And I surely don't know, but pulmonarymd does not have a gender identified on his/her profile, and has referred to a spouse, not a husband or wife. Are we making an inaccurate assumption about gender here, i.e., a physician who speaks with authority is male? Or maybe I missed something alone the way. I believe it has been specified but can’t swear to it. But mansplaining isn’t gender specific, right? Women are also capable of earnestly explaining something to someone who’s standing there awkwardly trying not to say “thanks, I know this already”. I’m certainly guilty occasionally, regardless of the innie versus outie thing We can go with patronizing if that’s preferable, although if you look at the etymology it’s got the same implied gender bias Oh, I wanted to let you know my friend specified her boss wasn’t actually asking her to violate the Hatch act, just asking her to do stuff that was personally distasteful and not part of her job description-and as expected, it wasn’t worth the cost of pushing back, since hopefully (dear God please) there will be some changes in January.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 9, 2020 20:43:54 GMT -5
I will admit to having a penis, and apologize if I was overzealous in my explanations. I do think that mansplaining is insulting, as I have clearly been on the receiving end of those explanations when it comes to cooking, as my wife will explain things I actually can do.
I am not trying to hide that part of my identity. And I am honored to be thought of as a female, as those of you who are women are generally better people, IMHO
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Post by oped on Aug 9, 2020 20:53:39 GMT -5
When you start at the bottom and read...
"I will admit to having a penis... I apologize if I was overzealous in my estimation... "... lmao...
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 10, 2020 6:39:43 GMT -5
I have a coworker at sturgis right now. We're remote so no concern of bringing anything back to the office. But selfishly my vacation in 3 weeks will be my first day off in over 50 days. Im borrowing trouble worrying that coworker could be sick at that point and what that would mean for my vacation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 7:21:23 GMT -5
Someone in my office building tested positive last week. The email went out Friday night after I was gone already so I imagine I'll find out today if it was in engineering as there's only about a dozen of us on our floor of about 150 cubes. I'm seated nowhere near anyone and they already contacted everyone that might have been in close proximity. There was an outbreak at a sporting event and that's apparently where they got it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 9:50:30 GMT -5
I took the CDC test online and it tells me to quarantine at home and seek medical help. I've left a message at the local clinic for advice...
I've had a raging headache, fever, chills, shaking body, severe pain in my legs and shoulder joints, and nausea since early Saturday morning.
Tylenol makes me feel better and be able to go back to sleep. But, as soon as it wears off I feel like crap again.
I've been awake about 3 hours in the last 2 days.
I don't know if you can have COVID without problems breathing. I don't seem to have any breathing issues or a runny nose. I just feel like I got run over by a semi truck.
Last night DS told me he thought he's getting whatever I have.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 9:52:57 GMT -5
I took the CDC test online and it tells me to quarantine at home and seek medical help. I've left a message at the local clinic for advice... I've had a raging headache, fever, chills, shaking body, severe pain in my legs and shoulder joints, and nausea since early Saturday morning. Tylenol makes me feel better and be able to go back to sleep. But, as soon as it wears off I feel like crap again. I've been awake about 3 hours in the last 2 days. I don't know if you can have COVID without problems breathing. I don't seem to have any breathing issues or a runny nose. I just feel like I got run over by a semi truck. Last night DS told me he thought he's getting whatever I have. Hugs and hope for healing headed your way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 10:18:55 GMT -5
I was advised to quarantine at home for 10 days and go to the ER if I start having trouble breathing...
I don't qualify for COVID testing because I haven't been in contact with anyone who tested positive.
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Post by les63 on Aug 10, 2020 10:27:22 GMT -5
Sounds like what I had. Tested negative twice. It takes a lot out of you. Feel better.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 10:34:11 GMT -5
Sounds like what I had. Tested negative twice. It takes a lot out of you. Feel better. Did you have the never-ending headache? Damn, it's miserable... I know when it's been 4 hours and the Tylenol is wearing off because my head starts raging and I start getting hot/cold/shaking... I am very thankful the Tylenol is helping...
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Post by lurkyloo on Aug 10, 2020 11:14:53 GMT -5
Big Ten football season is being canceled as per the detroit free press. The only two college presidents to vote in favor of playing were (drumroll please) Nebraska and Iowa.
Not sure whether to sigh in relief that it’s canceled, shake my head at NE and IA, or admire the consistency of those states, as reported by Drama and theotherme....
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Aug 10, 2020 11:20:30 GMT -5
But most times that is what causes the outlier days. A blip without a consistent rise is likely an outlier. The virus contagiousness guarantees more cases will follow l. If they don’t follow a spike, it is likely not significant . We had a day here where we had a sudden spike. But the next day we were back to our baseline. People were reading all kind of things into it for a few days, even though the state said it was a data . Without contact tracing to follow up your concern, no way to know unless you see a trend Related, but not relevant. Again, I am looking for a spike or broader rise in local cases related to a specific testing event. You are giving me an unnecessary and unasked for explanation of other causes of spikes. Pontificate as you like, but I would really appreciate it if you would stop quoting me. It invariably comes across as mansplaining and like most people these days, my patience is running thin. Thank you. It came across that way to me as well, lurky, so it isn't just you.
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Post by lurkyloo on Aug 10, 2020 11:21:04 GMT -5
I was advised to quarantine at home for 10 days and go to the ER if I start having trouble breathing... I don't qualify for COVID testing because I haven't been in contact with anyone who tested positive.
That is ridiculous. I hope you feel better soon. If you happen to have a pulse oximeter, you might want to break it out.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Aug 10, 2020 11:23:06 GMT -5
Related, but not relevant. Again, I am looking for a spike or broader rise in local cases related to a specific testing event. You are giving me an unnecessary and unasked for explanation of other causes of spikes. Pontificate as you like, but I would really appreciate it if you would stop quoting me. It invariably comes across as mansplaining and like most people these days, my patience is running thin. Thank you. Sure, but you are trying to see something that you will not likely be able to do. Epidemiologists often n have difficulty teasing these things out. But I will do as you askomg - but not before doing it again!
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Aug 10, 2020 11:27:31 GMT -5
I was advised to quarantine at home for 10 days and go to the ER if I start having trouble breathing... I don't qualify for COVID testing because I haven't been in contact with anyone who tested positive.
That is ridiculous. I hope you feel better soon. If you happen to have a pulse oximeter, you might want to break it out. I've been meaning to get one, maybe now is a good time?
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 10, 2020 11:33:29 GMT -5
Texas is in the top 5 states for our contribution to national case totals. And meanwhile, state leadership (if you can call it that) invites the NRA to move here. I'm not sure what re-homing a charity via paperwork and crap has to do with Covid. It is more likely that the NRA's employees are all working remotely than any retail, food service or manufacturing company. Changing their incorporation will not only take time, but also holds zero guarantees that a single person will move to Texas.
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Post by les63 on Aug 10, 2020 11:36:56 GMT -5
I can never get the quote feature right.
Anyway, yes I had a terrible headache. I didn’t take any Tylenol until my fever came down. My chest was a little tight and I did have a dry cough. The headache and body aches were the shitty parts.
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