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Post by oped on Jul 5, 2020 14:03:10 GMT -5
Lots of people here in PA NOT abiding by the rules. ... I don't mean while exercising... i mean when going into stores, etc.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 5, 2020 14:34:05 GMT -5
I live in a hard hot New England state. The mask requirement is they should be used when social distancing is not possible. Making it too stringent makes people less likely to comply with it. Making people do it when there is transient low risk exposure does not get us closer to normal, and we waste our effort that could be used in more effective ways
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 14:39:58 GMT -5
An LA taco stand temporarily closed its two locations because its employees were treated like crap when they told its guests they had to wear a mask. Staff were harassed, called names, and had objects and liquids thrown at them. I saw the post on Twitter. One of the comments referred to the customers as maskholes.
I think that's a good name for them. It's unfortunate the business and its employees are the ones who suffer from this closure. (There's a gofundme campaign to help them out.) But the unintended consequences of non-mask wearers would hit home a bit more if other businesses would follow suit. You want the freedom to patronize any business without argument about not wearing a mask? Fine. You'll have to go elsewhere, because we are now out of the "arguing" business. We have a local FB group where people are posting the businesses who refuse service to those who "refuse to be sheep and wear masks..." They claim they won't ever patronize businesses again that force this issue and if the local small businesses want business when this is over, then it's best to give in. Great, except, the mask requirement is being done for their own damn good and the business suffers if OSHA fines them or the state pulls their licenses to operate. Personally, when the local gallery went online and said they would never wear masks nor require them in their store, I stopped following it online and will never shop there. Clearly, they don't give an actual crap about the elders in this community. Their actions make that clear.
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Post by movinonup on Jul 5, 2020 14:41:00 GMT -5
I live about an hour from Manhattan and 30 minutes from where the first cluster of Covid-19 cases broke out in New York. I practically never left my house for three months. There's been a small cluster nearby because someone went to Florida then went to their high school graduation and some graduation parties. I find it disturbing that someone unwilling to wear a mask or follow social distancing rules may render my three months of isolation a complete waste of time.
I recently started trail running again. I always carry a mask and put it on when I approach someone else on my runs. I rarely have to wear the mask for more than about 15 seconds. Unless you are an elite runner in an actual race with prize money at stake, I don't see the big deal in slowing down for a few seconds to put on a mask and having to breathe a little harder for a few more seconds. I am careful when I go out to the supermarket and my office. Despite my care, there is a chance that I get sick. If I do get Covid-19, I don't want to be responsible for spreading this disease any further. That is why I wear carry my mask and put it on if I approach anyone.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jul 5, 2020 14:53:58 GMT -5
When you're watching an old movie and wondering why nobody is wearing a mask... DH and I have been watching the series Counterpart on Amazon Prime. When we saw lots of people wearing masks, we had to quick check the air date - it was 2018! A little further into the episodes, it becomes clear that there's been a pandemic in the past, and everyone is paranoid about a repeat. Some double digit % of the population died. It's a little creepy how accurately they nailed it, down to the subsets that believe "the other (side) did this to us, on purpose" .
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 5, 2020 15:51:32 GMT -5
Damn I wish people could get over making this partisan. Let's start by not calling other posters "crazy" unless you have the medical records to prove it, especially if you don't know the rules in every state. I am going to ťry something. Here is your post: Sorry, but that is crazy of you to expect anyone to be wearing a mask on a bike. I’m not crazy, just a rule follower during a pandemic. Our Republican Governor — please note that I said “our REPUBLICAN Governor” — issued a mandatory face-covering order for all inside activities including at all times inside gyms (treadmills, spin classes, etc.) and for all outside activities where social distancing is not possible. Social distancing is not possible on the trails and every entry to the trail has several signs posted stating that masks are required. There is a $300 fine for each violation. Masks are hot, make simple exertion feel like you’re hiking at high altitude, so I totally understand that no one likes them, but tough poop. I don’t like that Trump “won” on a technicality but that was the law, and the law is either always the rule or it’s never the rule. You don’t get to pick and choose. So my post was about not making mask wearing about partisanship.I want to see if it would be possible to do that with your post and have it make sense: Sorry, but that is crazy of you to expect anyone to be wearing a mask on a bike. I’m not crazy, just a rule follower during a pandemic. Our Governor issued a mandatory face-covering order for all inside activities including at all times inside gyms (treadmills, spin classes, etc.) and for all outside activities where social distancing is not possible. Social distancing is not possible on the trails and every entry to the trail has several signs posted stating that masks are required. There is a $300 fine for each violation. Masks are hot, make simple exertion feel like you’re hiking at high altitude, so I totally understand that no one likes them, but tough poop. I don’t like that Trump “won” on a technicality but that was the law, and the law is either always the rule or it’s never the rule. You don’t get to pick and choose. I think it works.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 6, 2020 11:17:22 GMT -5
Sorry, but that is crazy of you to expect anyone to be wearing a mask on a bike. I’m not crazy, just a rule follower during a pandemic. Our Republican Governor — please note that I said “our REPUBLICAN Governor” — issued a mandatory face-covering order for all inside activities including at all times inside gyms (treadmills, spin classes, etc.) and for all outside activities where social distancing is not possible. Social distancing is not possible on the trails and every entry to the trail has several signs posted stating that masks are required. There is a $300 fine for each violation. Masks are hot, make simple exertion feel like you’re hiking at high altitude, so I totally understand that no one likes them, but tough poop. I don’t like that Trump “won” on a technicality but that was the law, and the law is either always the rule or it’s never the rule. You don’t get to pick and choose. so I looked up the rules. www.mass.gov/news/wear-a-mask-in-publicneed to click into the FAQ so - it probably seems to those biking that they are able to keep distant - maybe that doesn't work as well well when passing a pedestrian, but yelling at them isn't really going to change any behavior, I don't think. And yell spreads more germs. When I'm taking a walk, I don't wear a mask. I try to keep distant from others, and if someone gets too close and I can't maneuver out of the way, I hold my breath as long as can as I pass them.
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Post by azucena on Jul 6, 2020 11:24:54 GMT -5
Our school rules were just published. Masks required except in classroom. What sense does that make?! So frustrating.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 6, 2020 11:53:36 GMT -5
Our school rules were just published. Masks required except in classroom. What sense does that make?! So frustrating. I would think that they would arrange rooms to social distancing levels?
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Post by azucena on Jul 6, 2020 11:57:28 GMT -5
Our school rules were just published. Masks required except in classroom. What sense does that make?! So frustrating. I would think that they would arrange rooms to social distancing levels? Yes, social distancing when possible. Some classes are 20 kids so 3 feet will be the max. But when masks are shown to help limit spread why not require them? Schools in the countries that have declining infection rates are requiring them. And the whole argument about kids won't be good at using them is crap because any prevention is good. I seriously cannot stop sobbing I am so upset by this news.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 6, 2020 13:31:14 GMT -5
I would think that they would arrange rooms to social distancing levels? Yes, social distancing when possible. Some classes are 20 kids so 3 feet will be the max. But when masks are shown to help limit spread why not require them? Schools in the countries that have declining infection rates are requiring them. And the whole argument about kids won't be good at using them is crap because any prevention is good. I seriously cannot stop sobbing I am so upset by this news. That's crazy. Indoors with possibly older ventilation systems seems to be a significant source of spread.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jul 6, 2020 19:06:11 GMT -5
Well, my state opened up around the beginning of June. We’re not completely opened up,. My county finally made wearing a mask mandatory. They should’ve done it a month ago. Normally, our local government is fairly sensible and proactive. They had been strongly recommending wearing masks all along. They had been strongly recommending wearing masks all along. I think they grossly overestimated how many people would actually comply with recommendations.
Case counts are going up, and the positive rate on tests has gone from 5% to 10%. We’ve had free testing for anyone who meets some rather flimsy criteria since the beginning of April. And a little less than half the people getting tested are asymptomatic contact tracing. For example, my grandmother, who is in assisted living, gets tested for coronavirus at least once a week. But since we have a pretty young, active population, and we protected our old people, there’s only around 160 people currently hospitalized.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jul 6, 2020 19:10:15 GMT -5
Well, my state opened up around the beginning of June. We’re not completely opened up,. My county finally made wearing a mask mandatory. They should’ve done it a month ago. Normally, our local government is fairly sensible and proactive. They had been strongly recommending wearing masks all along. They had been strongly recommending wearing masks all along. I think they grossly overestimated how many people would actually comply with recommendations. Case counts are going up, and the positive rate on tests has gone from 5% to 10%. We’ve had free testing for anyone who meets some rather flimsy criteria since the beginning of April. And a little less than half the people getting tested are asymptomatic contact tracing. For example, my grandmother, who is in assisted living, gets tested for coronavirus at least once a week. But since we have a pretty young, active population, and we protected our old people, there’s only around 160 people currently hospitalized. If you positive rate is 10%, you will soon see a rapid increase, especially if people were not wearing masks. It’s just a math problem, and math doesn’t lie. We will see what your area looks like in a few weeks
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jul 6, 2020 19:15:59 GMT -5
I saw a meme last night that there same resistance to condoms during the AIDS epidemic as there is to masks today, and that women are more likely to comply than men. Interesting analogy. Honestly, I have never understood why anybody would have sex without a condom outside of a committed relationship. Even without aids, the fact that abortion had to be legalized within 10 years of the pill coming out told me everything I needed to know about the real world effectiveness of birth control pills.
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Post by busymom on Jul 6, 2020 19:25:22 GMT -5
I saw a meme last night that there same resistance to condoms during the AIDS epidemic as there is to masks today, and that women are more likely to comply than men. Interesting analogy. Have you been spying on my family? I've got 2 of the "male persuasion" who are whining about why anyone should wear a mask. I guess living, and protecting your family, aren't good enough reasons...
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Post by tallguy on Jul 6, 2020 19:27:01 GMT -5
I saw a meme last night that there same resistance to condoms during the AIDS epidemic as there is to masks today, and that women are more likely to comply than men. Interesting analogy. Honestly, I have never understood why anybody would have sex without a condom outside of a committed relationship. Even without aids, the fact that abortion had to be legalized within 10 years of the pill coming out told me everything I needed to know about the real world effectiveness of birth control pills. You appear to be using a completely incorrect metric to justify a completely incorrect interpretation. The absence of logic is stunning.
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Post by Opti on Jul 6, 2020 19:49:19 GMT -5
I live about an hour from Manhattan and 30 minutes from where the first cluster of Covid-19 cases broke out in New York. I practically never left my house for three months. There's been a small cluster nearby because someone went to Florida then went to their high school graduation and some graduation parties. I find it disturbing that someone unwilling to wear a mask or follow social distancing rules may render my three months of isolation a complete waste of time. I recently started trail running again. I always carry a mask and put it on when I approach someone else on my runs. I rarely have to wear the mask for more than about 15 seconds. Unless you are an elite runner in an actual race with prize money at stake, I don't see the big deal in slowing down for a few seconds to put on a mask and having to breathe a little harder for a few more seconds. I am careful when I go out to the supermarket and my office. Despite my care, there is a chance that I get sick. If I do get Covid-19, I don't want to be responsible for spreading this disease any further. That is why I wear carry my mask and put it on if I approach anyone. -movinonup Good luck. I hope you continue to be safe. It is disappointing that people are bringing in the virus from other places. Recently the mayor from Hoboken was on the news. Apparently Hoboken had 13 new cases. Twelve of them were traced to out of state travel. Many to hotspots like Florida and North Carolina. Try to remember those 3 months weren't a waste. You weren't one of those early people who couldn't even get into the hospital until they could barely breathe. You made it this far, be careful and odds remain in your favor.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jul 6, 2020 21:33:35 GMT -5
Stopped at the grocery store today. The “Please wear a mask” sign has been replaced with several, prominently placed “You Must Wear a Mask to Enter” signs. The governor’s new mandate is effective today. It requires businesses to mandate masks for customers.
Everyone inside was wearing masks. One old guy (customer) had his pulled down below his nose. I’m guessing it was hard for him to breathe through it. One employee, in the bakery dept, had hers pulled down to her chin. Guessing that having to wear it all day got to her. I was happy to remove mine when I got back to the car. And glad to see the mandate being followed. Our county’s case number went up however.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 6, 2020 22:31:23 GMT -5
... The governor’s new mandate is effective today. ... Our county’s case number went up however. Perhaps the people who got positive test results today didn't catch the virus today? Just thinking perhaps.
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Post by irishpad on Jul 7, 2020 1:41:56 GMT -5
Yes, social distancing when possible. Some classes are 20 kids so 3 feet will be the max. But when masks are shown to help limit spread why not require them? Schools in the countries that have declining infection rates are requiring them. And the whole argument about kids won't be good at using them is crap because any prevention is good. I seriously cannot stop sobbing I am so upset by this news. That's crazy. Indoors with possibly older ventilation systems seems to be a significant source of spread. Major concern here. Our school was built about 100 years ago, old boiler system for heat, window AC for first 2 floors, roof system for the top floor. With all of it very limited movement of air. Would be astronomical costs to replace the HVAC system, close to the cost of a full year of running the school. Looking into portable air filtration units in each room and in the hallways. Wish there was a better answer. Families really do not want to continue online learning but man, how do you do in place schooling at least somewhat safe?
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Post by giramomma on Jul 7, 2020 7:28:59 GMT -5
My county is not going to require the wearing of masks. Here's the article, if folks want to read it. We're the second biggest county in the state. Home to the flagship university (draws ppl from all over the world) and businesses like Epic (where folks travel to train others for a living).
We went from a max of 20 a cases day from Feb-mid/late June to 30-144 cases a day, and it now seems to be settling in at 70 new cases a day. Some days, I hate where I live. This is one of them.
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Post by mary2029 on Jul 7, 2020 7:54:38 GMT -5
The link to the article links to this thread.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 7, 2020 8:05:35 GMT -5
That's crazy. Indoors with possibly older ventilation systems seems to be a significant source of spread. Major concern here. Our school was built about 100 years ago, old boiler system for heat, window AC for first 2 floors, roof system for the top floor. With all of it very limited movement of air. Would be astronomical costs to replace the HVAC system, close to the cost of a full year of running the school. Looking into portable air filtration units in each room and in the hallways. Wish there was a better answer. Families really do not want to continue online learning but man, how do you do in place schooling at least somewhat safe? Agreed. Even if money were no object there's not enough time to upgrade every school across the country. It seems like wearing masks is the answer, and we could spend time finding the most comfortable kinds and making them available.
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Post by giramomma on Jul 7, 2020 8:10:03 GMT -5
The link to the article links to this thread. Thanks. I fixed.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jul 7, 2020 8:16:23 GMT -5
That's crazy. Indoors with possibly older ventilation systems seems to be a significant source of spread. Major concern here. Our school was built about 100 years ago, old boiler system for heat, window AC for first 2 floors, roof system for the top floor. With all of it very limited movement of air. Would be astronomical costs to replace the HVAC system, close to the cost of a full year of running the school. Looking into portable air filtration units in each room and in the hallways. Wish there was a better answer. Families really do not want to continue online learning but man, how do you do in place schooling at least somewhat safe? It's a concern here, too. The governor has not allowed malls to reopen because of the ventilation issue. Local news is saying it's the final nail in the coffin for malls - can't afford to upgrade ventilation systems. Other businesses haven't been allowed to reopen yet, like gyms and movie theaters. At a family gathering, we were discussing how the rules are applied haphazardly: Target is open, but Kohls cannot. Is one really more risky than the other? But Target sells groceries, so they are essential. Saw lots of noise yesterday about scientists trying to get WHO/CDC to acknowledge that fine droplets can float in the air for extended amounts of time, and can be a source of spread - hence, filtration is an issue when in an area for extended times (like school).
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Post by oped on Jul 7, 2020 8:57:04 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, Target will NOT give me groceries in drive up... so to me that should negate their essential status, no?
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 7, 2020 9:21:32 GMT -5
I'm guessing you can't get cold groceries in the drive up at Target because they don't have cooler space to keep it cold. My store puts the stuff up front where the photo stuff was previously. No coolers or room to put them there.
I've done several drive up orders with shelf stable goods and drinks.
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Post by oped on Jul 7, 2020 9:36:47 GMT -5
No I mean bread, rolls, bananas... things that are not refrigerated. They will give me drinks. They also will not do disinfectant wipes, toilet paper, etc. for pick up... you'd have to go in the store.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jul 7, 2020 10:11:00 GMT -5
The Target here does not have most food available for curbside pickup, either, but this Target does not have fresh foods. I believe there is Shipt pickup available for those items, however. The other local groceries also use shipt for their pickup service as well. I only did that one time. It just ended up being too time-consuming for us. We just mask up, and head in. We're not high-risk.
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Post by irishpad on Jul 7, 2020 14:03:02 GMT -5
My county is not going to require the wearing of masks. Here's the article, if folks want to read it. We're the second biggest county in the state. Home to the flagship university (draws ppl from all over the world) and businesses like Epic (where folks travel to train others for a living).
We went from a max of 20 a cases day from Feb-mid/late June to 30-144 cases a day, and it now seems to be settling in at 70 new cases a day. Some days, I hate where I live. This is one of them.
If it wasn't for UW and Epic (son of a friend worked for them, stupidly submitted his resignation in early Feb.....bad timing!) Madison would be a nice quiet town like where I live (Fargo/Moorhead, ND/MN border but live under the MN rules) where things are pretty well contained but we do need to continue to be careful
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