WI Republican legislature

[jelloshots4all]

Robin Vos has to be voted out!!

madison.com/ct/opinion/column/john_nichols/john-nichols-voters-will-have-to-clean-up-the-mess-robin-vos-has-made-of/article_307514b6-473f-5192-8168-749c1d780436.html?utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR1pVdN6CQcDa6FtJvYvLG6f94H3TCQCXsa_1btZauC5v8kVylyOW1zx9jg

[Wisconsin Beth]

Yeah and my husband's stupid talk radio idiots said there were no cases of covid from voting. 

[giramomma]

Yes, well, that means folks in WI have to get a clue. Or even some critical reasoning skills.

There's no way that's happening for a long while.

[bean29]

Robin Vos has made a number of questionable decisions. Per WIKI:  

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Vos


Deregulation of Payday Loan industry
Opposed Medicaid Expansion
Refused to Allow Paralyzed Democratic Lawmaker in a wheelchair to phone into committee meetings


Curbing Evers administration[br]
After Democratic nominee Tony Evers won the 2018 Wisconsin gubernatorial election, defeating incumbent Republican governor Scott Walker, Vos was the first public official to propose curbing the incoming governor's powers.[5] He claimed it was to restore a balance of power between the governor and the legislature, despite having previously voted to expand gubernatorial power.[24][25] Vos also said the changes were intended to lock in laws passed by Republicans and to prevent the incoming Democratic administration from fulfilling its campaign pledges.[26][br]
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Christopher Beem of the McCourtney Institute of Democracy at Pennsylvania State University described Wisconsin Republicans' power grab as a "deeply undemocratic act." While it could be legal, Beem said, it erodes democratic norms: "Wisconsin’s GOP lawmakers are using power that the majority of the electorate has just taken away from them in order to make it more difficult for the incoming administration to undertake actions that the majority has just shown that it wants." Citing research by Harvard University political scientists Daniel Ziblatt and Steven Levitsky, Beem noted that "democracy most often dies one little piece at a time. And the more lines are crossed, the more norms are spurned, the more perilous our situation becomes."[27] In June 2019 the conservative majority on the Wisconsin Supreme Court rejected a challenge to the December 2018 laws, ruling that extraordinary sessions are constitutional.[28]

I seem to recall some underhanded stuff with regards to FOXCON and WEDEC Funding and the expansion of I-94 For Amazon and Foxcon needs.

[jelloshots4all]

I live in a very republican county, and many of my friends are.  I want to put Biden in my yard this fall, but am hesitant to.  I would hate for my house/vehicles vandalized.  It's sad that I have to think this way!

[kadee79]

Me too, down here in SW Ga.  Hard telling what would happen out here in the country....too many guns all around us to take chances.  But they don't know what I do with my ballot!

[djAdvocate]

the Tea Party used to hide, too.

[giramomma]

I was just thinking about the lack of Medicaid expansion here...I wonder if that actually might be a blessing in disguise.

Of course we can all sit here every day and pronounce that we'll pay for all the COVID-19 stimulus spending by raising taxes on the businesses and the wealthy, but we know that's not going to happen. I'm also not sure it's exactly prudent, right now, to be raising taxes on businesses, anyway.

We also know that the feds are going to let some of the states drown.

So, sure, from one perspective it's a shame that we didn't expand Medicaid. But, in the absence of having a money fairy come and remove gross amount of the national debt and replace the money lost from being shut down...maybe taking on the extra obligation wasn't so bad after all.

[oped]

May 5, 2020 18:28:08 GMT -5 giramomma said:

I was just thinking about the lack of Medicaid expansion here...I wonder if that actually might be a blessing in disguise.

Of course we can all sit here every day and pronounce that we'll pay for all the COVID-19 stimulus spending by raising taxes on the businesses and the wealthy, but we know that's not going to happen. I'm also not sure it's exactly prudent, right now, to be raising taxes on businesses, anyway.

We also know that the feds are going to let some of the states drown.

So, sure, from one perspective it's a shame that we didn't expand Medicaid. But, in the absence of having a money fairy come and remove gross amount of the national debt and replace the money lost from being shut down...maybe taking on the extra obligation wasn't so bad after all.

I’m sorry are you saying you think it’s good they didn’t expand Medicaid because then they’d be on the hook for more covid treatments?

If so what makes you think the individuals who would have qualified will be able to pay for their treatments? Lots of bankruptcy... first of individuals... then of medical providers... as they get nothing.

I just. I honestly can’t understand your perspective here... let the lower middle suffer more...? By the misfortune of the draw... chances made greater because this is the population that can’t afford not to work.

[giramomma]

May 6, 2020 5:44:34 GMT -5 oped said:

I’m sorry are you saying you think it’s good they didn’t expand Medicaid because then they’d be on the hook for more covid treatments?

If so what makes you think the individuals who would have qualified will be able to pay for their treatments? Lots of bankruptcy... first of individuals... then of medical providers... as they get nothing.

I just. I honestly can’t understand your perspective here... let the lower middle suffer more...? By the misfortune of the draw... chances made greater because this is the population that can’t afford not to work.

No. I'm saying it's a good thing my state didn't expand medicaid under the ACA, period. Vos, Walker, the whole lot of them wouldn't expand.

There's not going to be any money to pay for it, especially now after the shut down due to the pandemic.

There's not enough money for infrastructure coming up in the next fiscal year. We haven't had money to properly fund roads for a while.

I think when all is said and done, we're looking at 15-20% cuts in the public sector, if we are lucky. Right now, our governor has ordered all state agencies cut 5%. Furloughs will amount to another 6% if they are extended.

We know that the federal government is not going to help out the states. Mitch said himself, he wants public entities to go bankrupt. Trump is not interested in helping out the states.

What I'm saying is having one less bill to pay (expansion of Medicaid) when you have to massively tighten your financial belt isn't the worst thing at all. We advocate to reduce bills all the time when folks used to post personal budgets. I think that is common sense.

Am I happy about the fact that people are hurting because of everything...whether it's because Medicaid didn't expand under the ACA, or because people are hurting because of society being shut down? No.

But, I can also say, right now, my state having less bills to pay, is probably a good thing..because there absolutely won't be enough money to go around.

[oped]

But who do you think is going to pay this big bill the state passed on to lower middle income families? 

They are still going to have to pay it... the people who would have qualified for expanded medicaid are not going to be able to pay it... they will go bankrupt and drag the hospitals/etc. down with them unless the state steps in... 

I just don't understand how you think these people will be paying the bills the state can not afford? 

[bean29]

May 5, 2020 16:21:11 GMT -5 jelloshots4all said:

I live in a very republican county, and many of my friends are.  I want to put Biden in my yard this fall, but am hesitant to.  I would hate for my house/vehicles vandalized.  It's sad that I have to think this way!

Yeah, I even felt that way in the last election.

[jelloshots4all]

May 6, 2020 9:55:41 GMT -5 giramomma said:

May 6, 2020 5:44:34 GMT -5 oped said:

I’m sorry are you saying you think it’s good they didn’t expand Medicaid because then they’d be on the hook for more covid treatments?

If so what makes you think the individuals who would have qualified will be able to pay for their treatments? Lots of bankruptcy... first of individuals... then of medical providers... as they get nothing.

I just. I honestly can’t understand your perspective here... let the lower middle suffer more...? By the misfortune of the draw... chances made greater because this is the population that can’t afford not to work.

No. I'm saying it's a good thing my state didn't expand medicaid under the ACA, period. Vos, Walker, the whole lot of them wouldn't expand.

There's not going to be any money to pay for it, especially now after the shut down due to the pandemic.

There's not enough money for infrastructure coming up in the next fiscal year. We haven't had money to properly fund roads for a while.

I think when all is said and done, we're looking at 15-20% cuts in the public sector, if we are lucky. Right now, our governor has ordered all state agencies cut 5%. Furloughs will amount to another 6% if they are extended.

We know that the federal government is not going to help out the states. Mitch said himself, he wants public entities to go bankrupt. Trump is not interested in helping out the states.

What I'm saying is having one less bill to pay (expansion of Medicaid) when you have to massively tighten your financial belt isn't the worst thing at all. We advocate to reduce bills all the time when folks used to post personal budgets. I think that is common sense.

Am I happy about the fact that people are hurting because of everything...whether it's because Medicaid didn't expand under the ACA, or because people are hurting because of society being shut down? No.

But, I can also say, right now, my state having less bills to pay, is probably a good thing..because there absolutely won't be enough money to go around.

Not properly fund roads for years?  Have you been on the east side of the state?  Zoo interchange, 894, the whole I94 corridor from the airport south to Kenosha?  It's been a construction shit show for the past 10 years!  

[giramomma]

May 6, 2020 9:58:51 GMT -5 oped said:

But who do you think is going to pay this big bill the state passed on to lower middle income families? 

They are still going to have to pay it... the people who would have qualified for expanded medicaid are not going to be able to pay it... they will go bankrupt and drag the hospitals/etc. down with them unless the state steps in... 

I just don't understand how you think these people will be paying the bills the state can not afford? 

I don't know how folks pay for medical bills if they don't have adequate insurance.  Or if they are laid off. Or, or, or.

Honestly, I have enough on my plate that I can't worry about big societal things right now. I can't solve the problem. I mean, I really can't.

The best I can do right now, is take care of my family and give where I can.