USA now leads all countries on deaths due to virus

[dezii]

I don't think it's the time to go into those time honored chants..."USA-USA-USA…" or "Wer'e #1...Wer'e#1...etc, etc"
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"U.S. now leads world in deaths, day after Trump announces 'Opening our Country' task force

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www.yahoo.com/news/trump-launch-opening-country-task-110700231.html

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[Gardening Grandma]

If we stop the Stay at Home initiative too soon, our death rate will dwarf that of other countries.

[billisonboard]

Now is the time to form the task force so that plans can be developed to start implementing at the appropriate times.

[Gardening Grandma]

Apr 11, 2020 15:51:39 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Now is the time to form the task force so that plans can be developed to start implementing at the appropriate times.

With Jared Kushner leading it?

[billisonboard]

Apr 11, 2020 16:39:47 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Apr 11, 2020 15:51:39 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Now is the time to form the task force so that plans can be developed to start implementing at the appropriate times.

With Jared Kushner leading it?

I am more concerned with the plan and the timing than who is leading it.

[Gardening Grandma]

Apr 11, 2020 17:17:39 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Apr 11, 2020 16:39:47 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

With Jared Kushner leading it?

I am more concerned with the plan and the timing than who is leading it.

You don’t think they are all connected?

[billisonboard]

Apr 11, 2020 19:54:11 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Apr 11, 2020 17:17:39 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I am more concerned with the plan and the timing than who is leading it.

You don’t think they are all connected?

I do think they are connected. I am still more concerned with the plan and the timing.

[Gardening Grandma]

Apr 11, 2020 20:18:54 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Apr 11, 2020 19:54:11 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

You don’t think they are all connected?

I do think they are connected. I am still more concerned with the plan and the timing.

The plan and timing will  depend on whose advice is taken. The health experts or the trump toadies. 

[billisonboard]

Apr 11, 2020 20:53:04 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Apr 11, 2020 20:18:54 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I do think they are connected. I am still more concerned with the plan and the timing.

The plan and timing will  depend on whose advice is taken. The health experts or the trump toadies. 

Yes, and we could focus on the who leads the group or we can focus on the plan and the timing that the task force develops.

[pulmonarymd]

Apr 11, 2020 21:18:11 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Apr 11, 2020 20:53:04 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

The plan and timing will  depend on whose advice is taken. The health experts or the trump toadies. 

Yes, and we could focus on the who leads the group or we can focus on the plan and the timing that the task force develops.

This is something that should have been discussed once there was a shutdown done. In addition, since trump told the nation that the shutdowns were the responsibility of the governors, isn’t the startup up to them. Why should they follow his plan?

[scottcool]

This virus, thus far, only has a small small death rate. On the other hand the economy will directly effect everyone.

[pulmonarymd]

Apr 11, 2020 21:54:34 GMT -5 scottcool said:

This virus, thus far, only has a small small death rate. On the other hand the economy will directly effect everyone.

So how many deaths does it take for it to be concerning? If you do the math, if 100 million get it, and the mortality is only 0.5%, 500,000 dead Americans. Is that concerning enough

[scottcool]

Apr 11, 2020 21:59:44 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Apr 11, 2020 21:54:34 GMT -5 scottcool said:

This virus, thus far, only has a small small death rate. On the other hand the economy will directly effect everyone.

So how many deaths does it take for it to be concerning? If you do the math, if 100 million get it, and the mortality is only 0.5%, 500,000 dead Americans. Is that concerning enough

Im not saying it's not. Im saying if the economy goes under that effects 100%. Thus the economy failing will kill more people and that's concerning enough.

[pulmonarymd]

Apr 11, 2020 22:33:15 GMT -5 scottcool said:

Apr 11, 2020 21:59:44 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

So how many deaths does it take for it to be concerning? If you do the math, if 100 million get it, and the mortality is only 0.5%, 500,000 dead Americans. Is that concerning enough

Im not saying it's not. Im saying if the economy goes under that effects 100%. Thus the economy failing will kill more people and that's concerning enough.

If 1 million people die, do you think there will be an economy. In 1918, there was a dramatic declines be in economic activity due to the flu pandemic. In addition, you don’t think everyone in NYC isn’t affected by the situation now?

[billisonboard]

Apr 11, 2020 21:41:53 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Apr 11, 2020 21:18:11 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Yes, and we could focus on the who leads the group or we can focus on the plan and the timing that the task force develops.

This is something that should have been discussed once there was a shutdown done. In addition, since trump told the nation that the shutdowns were the responsibility of the governors, isn’t the startup up to them. Why should they follow his plan?

I have no doubt that there were "discussions" prior to and once the shutdown took place. What is happening now is having a task force which will formalize the discussion and develop a plan with a timeline.

They should follow his plan if it is a well developed plan based on solid data. They should not follow it if it isn't.

[tbop77]

Apr 11, 2020 22:33:15 GMT -5 scottcool said:

Apr 11, 2020 21:59:44 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

So how many deaths does it take for it to be concerning? If you do the math, if 100 million get it, and the mortality is only 0.5%, 500,000 dead Americans. Is that concerning enough

Im not saying it's not. Im saying if the economy goes under that effects 100%. Thus the economy failing will kill more people and that's concerning enough.

Didn't you get the memo?  Debt doesn't matter to Republicans anymore.  They can always do another 2 trillion "relief package".  Oh, what the hell, just make it 5 trillion......they won't let the economy fail. It's election year!  

[pulmonarymd]

Apr 11, 2020 22:33:15 GMT -5 scottcool said:

Apr 11, 2020 21:59:44 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

So how many deaths does it take for it to be concerning? If you do the math, if 100 million get it, and the mortality is only 0.5%, 500,000 dead Americans. Is that concerning enough

Im not saying it's not. Im saying if the economy goes under that effects 100%. Thus the economy failing will kill more people and that's concerning enough.

Which family member or friend are you willing to sacrifice for the sake of the economy?

[pulmonarymd]

Apr 12, 2020 7:06:39 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Apr 11, 2020 21:41:53 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

This is something that should have been discussed once there was a shutdown done. In addition, since trump told the nation that the shutdowns were the responsibility of the governors, isn’t the startup up to them. Why should they follow his plan?

I have no doubt that there were "discussions" prior to and once the shutdown took place. What is happening now is having a task force which will formalize the discussion and develop a plan with a timeline.

They should follow his plan if it is a well developed plan based on solid data. They should not follow it if it isn't.

These discussions should have been part of the task force from the beginning. But that would have required competence on the administrations part. I know we are having all kinds of discussions in our disaster preparedness meetings

[billisonboard]

Apr 12, 2020 7:43:42 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Apr 12, 2020 7:06:39 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I have no doubt that there were "discussions" prior to and once the shutdown took place. What is happening now is having a task force which will formalize the discussion and develop a plan with a timeline.

They should follow his plan if it is a well developed plan based on solid data. They should not follow it if it isn't.

These discussions should have been part of the task force from the beginning. But that would have required competence on the administrations part. I know we are having all kinds of discussions in our disaster preparedness meetings

Do those discussions include plans for maintenance, repair, and replacement of building infrastructure? Or is that a different set of meetings?

I wonder how much time was spent by Eisenhower and his generals on plans to rebuild Europe prior to D-Day?

This is certainly plenty to find fault with concerning this President and Administration. I am just not seeing how forming this task force at this time is something to include as negative.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 12, 2020 7:06:39 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Apr 11, 2020 21:41:53 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

This is something that should have been discussed once there was a shutdown done. In addition, since trump told the nation that the shutdowns were the responsibility of the governors, isn’t the startup up to them. Why should they follow his plan?

I have no doubt that there were "discussions" prior to and once the shutdown took place. What is happening now is having a task force which will formalize the discussion and develop a plan with a timeline.

They should follow his plan if it is a well developed plan based on solid data. They should not follow it if it isn't.

Trump administration has many task forces — but still no plan for beating covid-19

[pulmonarymd]

Apr 12, 2020 9:02:33 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Apr 12, 2020 7:43:42 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

These discussions should have been part of the task force from the beginning. But that would have required competence on the administrations part. I know we are having all kinds of discussions in our disaster preparedness meetings

Do those discussions include plans for maintenance, repair, and replacement of building infrastructure? Or is that a different set of meetings?

I wonder how much time was spent by Eisenhower and his generals on plans to rebuild Europe prior to D-Day?

This is certainly plenty to find fault with concerning this President and Administration. I am just not seeing how forming this task force at this time is something to include as negative.

Not a negative. What we are doing now was always a short-term solution, and we needed to plan for how we get back to normalcy. I believe we could have done both at the same time. But, just like the initial response, it appears we are again wasting valuable time. We should already know how low the number of new infections a day we need to be below before the restrictions can be relaxed. As there will be different peaks nationwide, there should not be one get out of jail day, but a rolling opening based on predefined metrics. We should also be discussing travel restrictions if different areas are in different phases. All these variables should have been on the table. The fact that we are now talking about a task force makes me worried that the decision will be rushed and poorly done, like the rest of the federal response. So, my criticism is along the what took you so long line. That’s all

[Tennesseer]

Anthony Fauci admits earlier Covid-19 mitigation efforts would have saved more American lives

Dr. Anthony Fauci said Sunday that calls to implement life-saving social distancing measures faced "a lot of pushback" early in the US coronavirus outbreak and that the country is now looking for ways to more effectively respond to the virus should it rebound in the fall.

"I mean, obviously, you could logically say that if you had a process that was ongoing and you started mitigation earlier, you could have saved lives," Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union" when asked if social distancing and stay-at-home measures could have prevented deaths had they been put in place in February, instead of mid-March.

"Obviously, no one is going to deny that. But what goes into those decisions is complicated," added Fauci, who is a key member of the Trump administration's coronavirus task force. "But you're right, I mean, obviously, if we had right from the very beginning shut everything down, it may have been a little bit different. But there was a lot of pushback about shutting things down back then."

Complete article here: Anthony Fauci admits earlier Covid-19 mitigation efforts would have saved more American lives

[Tennesseer]

trump on Twitter: #FireFauci” 

Trump Lashes Out at Fauci Amid Criticism of Slow Virus Response

[NastyWoman]

Apr 12, 2020 9:02:33 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Apr 12, 2020 7:43:42 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

These discussions should have been part of the task force from the beginning. But that would have required competence on the administrations part. I know we are having all kinds of discussions in our disaster preparedness meetings

Do those discussions include plans for maintenance, repair, and replacement of building infrastructure? Or is that a different set of meetings?

I wonder how much time was spent by Eisenhower and his generals on plans to rebuild Europe prior to D-Day?

This is certainly plenty to find fault with concerning this President and Administration. I am just not seeing how forming this task force at this time is something to include as negative.

By that reasoning trump does not have any need to start working on a recovery plan seeing that he has yet to take any action on a national level. Just sayin' 

[billisonboard]

Apr 12, 2020 23:06:36 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Apr 12, 2020 9:02:33 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Do those discussions include plans for maintenance, repair, and replacement of building infrastructure? Or is that a different set of meetings?

I wonder how much time was spent by Eisenhower and his generals on plans to rebuild Europe prior to D-Day?

This is certainly plenty to find fault with concerning this President and Administration. I am just not seeing how forming this task force at this time is something to include as negative.

By that reasoning trump does not have any need to start working on a recovery plan seeing that he has yet to take any action on a national level. Just sayin' 

It is going to be interesting to see what the task force presents as steps the President can take.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 11, 2020 21:54:34 GMT -5 scottcool said:

This virus, thus far, only has a small small death rate. On the other hand the economy will directly effect everyone.

huh? the death rate is almost 6% worldwide! that is absolutely horrific.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 11, 2020 22:33:15 GMT -5 scottcool said:

Apr 11, 2020 21:59:44 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

So how many deaths does it take for it to be concerning? If you do the math, if 100 million get it, and the mortality is only 0.5%, 500,000 dead Americans. Is that concerning enough

Im not saying it's not. Im saying if the economy goes under that effects 100%. Thus the economy failing will kill more people and that's concerning enough.

what the economic models show is that the higher the death rate, the greater the damage to the economy.

that means if you deal with the death rate, the economy will also lose fewer jobs and recover more quickly.

it is very Trumpian to attempt to decouple these things.  it has no basis in fact.