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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 13:11:55 GMT -5
Well, I agree with the fact that we can't hide from the virus forever. And I fall in the "higher risk" category. There will be a lot of changes in how we do things, though. Some of you are old enough to remember life before 9/11. The kids and I would stay with my then-DH until they started loading. Then we would stand at the window, waving, until the plane finally took off. Now you just drop someone at the curb. So we may never get back to 70,000 in a stadium to watch a football game, etc. Only time will tell.
One immediate problem in reopening is the kids aren't going back to school until August or September, depending on your district. So some people are going to really be scrambling for child care. Yes, the same people have to patchwork something for the summer months. But it probably won't be a good idea to have the grandparents watch the kids if the kids are going to hang out with other kids whose parents aren't still socially isolating. WFH and even reduced employment has been a Godsend as far as taking care of kids go.
It will be interesting.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 14, 2020 13:46:29 GMT -5
In the 4 weeks I have been checking for a pick up slot at my grocery store, I finally got one! Unfortunately, a week from today, so will have to brave the store tomorrow.
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Post by movingforward on Apr 14, 2020 13:51:58 GMT -5
Well, I agree with the fact that we can't hide from the virus forever. And I fall in the "higher risk" category. There will be a lot of changes in how we do things, though. Some of you are old enough to remember life before 9/11. The kids and I would stay with my then-DH until they started loading. Then we would stand at the window, waving, until the plane finally took off. Now you just drop someone at the curb. So we may never get back to 70,000 in a stadium to watch a football game, etc. Only time will tell. One immediate problem in reopening is the kids aren't going back to school until August or September, depending on your district. So some people are going to really be scrambling for child care. Yes, the same people have to patchwork something for the summer months. But it probably won't be a good idea to have the grandparents watch the kids if the kids are going to hang out with other kids whose parents aren't still socially isolating. WFH and even reduced employment has been a Godsend as far as taking care of kids go. It will be interesting. I think we will eventually get back to large stadium seating, etc. but not real soon. I think revenue will win in the end especially if they come up with a vaccine. I do hope some changes will stick. Restaurants being held to higher standards of cleanliness would be a good thing. These crazy people that want to eat off other people's plates, yeah, I wouldn't mind if that kind of crap stopped. In my field I get invited to numerous lunches and dinners. A lot of times "the table" will order a couple of desserts to share. People will just dig in double dipping their forks. Uh, no thanks. I'll pass on dessert... I posted on another thread that I wouldn't care if handshaking went away. I always hated it during flu season anyway.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 14, 2020 14:28:32 GMT -5
Well, I agree with the fact that we can't hide from the virus forever. And I fall in the "higher risk" category. There will be a lot of changes in how we do things, though. Some of you are old enough to remember life before 9/11. The kids and I would stay with my then-DH until they started loading. Then we would stand at the window, waving, until the plane finally took off. Now you just drop someone at the curb. So we may never get back to 70,000 in a stadium to watch a football game, etc. Only time will tell. One immediate problem in reopening is the kids aren't going back to school until August or September, depending on your district. So some people are going to really be scrambling for child care. Yes, the same people have to patchwork something for the summer months. But it probably won't be a good idea to have the grandparents watch the kids if the kids are going to hang out with other kids whose parents aren't still socially isolating. WFH and even reduced employment has been a Godsend as far as taking care of kids go. It will be interesting. I think we will eventually get back to large stadium seating, etc. but not real soon. I think revenue will win in the end especially if they come up with a vaccine. I do hope some changes will stick. Restaurants being held to higher standards of cleanliness would be a good thing. These crazy people that want to eat off other people's plates, yeah, I wouldn't mind if that kind of crap stopped. In my field I get invited to numerous lunches and dinners. A lot of times "the table" will order a couple of desserts to share. People will just dig in double dipping their forks. Uh, no thanks. I'll pass on dessert... I posted on another thread that I wouldn't care if handshaking went away. I always hated it during flu season anyway. I would like to see mandated paid sick time, and here is why.... My BIL worked at Burger King for years. I recall him once getting the stomach flu. He threw up, and then put on his uniform and went to work and handled food. He had to, otherwise he wouldn't get paid for those days. I wonder how many people ended up catching his illness and were miserable or missed work, or didn't miss work, etc. When I stopped eating fast food, I noticed that I went from having the stomach flu just about every year to almost never. I'm pretty sure I got sick, not from food poisoning, but from people who are sick handling my food. Just because it isn't deadly Covid pandemic, we should hold our society and food providers to higher standards for just the general health of workers AND consumers. I don't think we need to shut down stadiums forever or stop handshakes or whatever, but let's examine our employment practices compared to other wealthy nations and determine what we should do to treat our workers as humans and care about the health of our citizens. It is not too much to ask.
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 14, 2020 14:47:23 GMT -5
I think we will eventually get back to large stadium seating, etc. but not real soon. I think revenue will win in the end especially if they come up with a vaccine. I do hope some changes will stick. Restaurants being held to higher standards of cleanliness would be a good thing. These crazy people that want to eat off other people's plates, yeah, I wouldn't mind if that kind of crap stopped. In my field I get invited to numerous lunches and dinners. A lot of times "the table" will order a couple of desserts to share. People will just dig in double dipping their forks. Uh, no thanks. I'll pass on dessert... I posted on another thread that I wouldn't care if handshaking went away. I always hated it during flu season anyway. a very good friend of mine does this, and it drives me batshit crazy. we will be out somewhere, and she'll just dip a fork in my plate from across the table. HELLO......I couldn't share your app b/c of comingled fryer oil, and now you just contaminated MY plate with the fork you've been using. thanks, kid.
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Post by andi9899 on Apr 14, 2020 14:56:58 GMT -5
I eat after my family all the time. Especially the girls. I would never do that with others, especially someone with food allergies. Since I don't have any (other than maybe lactose intolerance which isn't a big deal as long as I take a pill before I eat dairy) I don't really pay attention to things like fryer oil or what may contain what ingredient. I'd feel awful if someone had a reaction from something that I did.
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Post by movingforward on Apr 14, 2020 15:17:56 GMT -5
Honestly, I find a great number of people to be rather disgusting. I attend a lot of conferences and events. People will use their hands to pick stuff up when there is a pair of tongs sitting right there. In doing so they end up touching 2-3 other muffins, or what have you. Thanks dude...we really appreciate you sticking your hands on all the food everyone else is going to eat.
Two years ago I purchased a cooking class for myself and a guy I was dating. I thought it would be a fun Sunday afternoon. It was enjoyable but no one was asked to wash their hands upon arrival and there were no gloves. You were in groups of 4-5 so strangers hands were all over the food. I didn't eat any of the salad because it was an uncooked item that unwashed hands were grating cheese into and sprinkling this or that...I ate the risotto and the meat since it was cooked. I passed on the dessert.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 14, 2020 15:37:36 GMT -5
I am not too concerned with germs on a regular basis. I think some human contact does strengthen your immune system. But, there are limits to how much transfer I can accept. If you are not sick, I'm cool with casual contact (you touched my muffin, etc.) But if you are sick, take that shit home.
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Post by movingforward on Apr 14, 2020 15:43:35 GMT -5
I've been a little bit of a germaphobe for the last 15 -20 years but even COVID has been a bit much for me. The constant worrying about contact with people, wiping down stuff from the grocery store, etc. is a lot. It's so overwhelming that it almost makes me want to give up. In some ways I may end up being less of a germaphobe when this is over with.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 14, 2020 16:24:08 GMT -5
I am resigned to the fact that I will likely get this at this point. I go back to the icu tomorrow, and will be exposed to multiple critically ill people with this. That is my reality. Now, the lockdown is meant to prevent us from working in intolerable conditions such as they have been having to do in NYC. On the other hand, this can not go on forever. So, we need to have a plan to re-open the economy. But, it needs to be based on strong epidemiologic evidence, so that the risk of returning to our current situation can be as low as reasonable. That is only fair to the people I work with; our jobs should not be a death sentence. But there is a difference between low risk and no risk, and this situation will never be low risk. The problem with Trump is he is unable to do nuance, refuses to listen to experts, and listens to a very small number of people regularly, none of which have the expertise to navigate the medical issues. This requires finesse and the ability to explain unpleasant news to the American people. He is putting dates that are unrealistic on the table. We will be dealing with this for a long time, and many more people than the 60,000 that people bandy about will die. That is the reality we are dealing with.
Now personally, I have a junior in college, and I am not sure if he will be able to go back to school next fall. That is the sort of time frame we need to recognize. School opening next fall will depend on the results of a step-wise loosening of the restrictions we are operating under at the present, and how many cases of this infection are tolerable. But there will no normal for some time. And again, that is the message we should be hearing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 16:31:26 GMT -5
Now personally, I have a junior in college, and I am not sure if he will be able to go back to school next fall. I have an incoming freshman and things are not looking good. A lot of the schools are at least planning for everything to be online and some schools are even proposing not starting "Fall" semester until January. What a horrible time to be starting college.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 14, 2020 16:42:34 GMT -5
Now personally, I have a junior in college, and I am not sure if he will be able to go back to school next fall. I have an incoming freshman and things are not looking good. A lot of the schools are at least planning for everything to be online and some schools are even proposing not starting "Fall" semester until January. What a horrible time to be starting college. Think that is bad, how about being a senior now, or next year if you cannot go back at all. Incoming freshmen will have it tough, but at some point, things hopefully go back to normal. But seniors cannot ever get this time back.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 16:54:07 GMT -5
I have an incoming freshman and things are not looking good. A lot of the schools are at least planning for everything to be online and some schools are even proposing not starting "Fall" semester until January. What a horrible time to be starting college. Think that is bad, how about being a senior now, or next year if you cannot go back at all. Incoming freshmen will have it tough, but at some point, things hopefully go back to normal. But seniors cannot ever get this time back. Well, I do have a high school senior. I think that's almost worse than college senior because from what I remember of college last semester it was just finishing up my classes and then commencement (which I skipped), there wasn't a lot going on outside of that...but I wasn't involved in college extracurriculars at all. There are all the things wrapped up with high school. Prom, class trip, last concerts, senior nights, plus, DS qualified for state in speech for the first time ever and it was cancelled as was his senior solo ensemble. He does say they're having the ultimate senior skip day though!
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Post by pulmonarymd on Apr 14, 2020 17:02:04 GMT -5
Think that is bad, how about being a senior now, or next year if you cannot go back at all. Incoming freshmen will have it tough, but at some point, things hopefully go back to normal. But seniors cannot ever get this time back. Well, I do have a high school senior. I think that's almost worse than college senior because from what I remember of college last semester it was just finishing up my classes and then commencement (which I skipped), there wasn't a lot going on outside of that...but I wasn't involved in college extracurriculars at all. There are all the things wrapped up with high school. Prom, class trip, last concerts, senior nights, plus, DS qualified for state in speech for the first time ever and it was cancelled as was his senior solo ensemble. He does say they're having the ultimate senior skip day though! Yes, I feel sorry for them too. All the rituals, and the excitement of college acceptance, figuring out where you are going if you had not yet decided. All the rituals they got to do. plus, many of them have not had to deal with major disappointment to this degree. And to be unhappy with everything going on seems to be disproportionate. They are real victims in all of this, as are many of the other people whose lives have been turned upside down. Fortunately for the HS seniors, they have college to look forward to. Many college seniors were to enter the work force, and their carefree days are over. Only now, the virus has has tanked the economy, screwing them over again. I don't blame them for their feelings
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Post by crazycat on Apr 14, 2020 17:39:41 GMT -5
I just booked a re-stock with Wegman's through Instacart. The other local chains had absolutely no availability this week, and for the chain Stop and Shop, through 4/25. Soonest date I could get with Wegman's is...Monday, April 27th!! We'll be fine -- we'll run out of things like fresh bananas but I have dried banana chips, etc. I'm more shocked/worried for folks who do not have adequate supplies. Massachusetts is said to be hitting its peak this week, so everyone is being actively encouraged even more to stay home, which doesn't leave a lot of options for those who NEED groceries. The last couple of times I’ve used Instacart here ( SoCal) , it gave me an option of fast & flexible or something like that . Where it could be delivered any time in the next 2-3 days . It was also a cheaper delivery fee. Both times I got my order the same day . Don’t know if that’s an option where you are
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 18:16:54 GMT -5
I've been a little bit of a germaphobe for the last 15 -20 years but even COVID has been a bit much for me. The constant worrying about contact with people, wiping down stuff from the grocery store, etc. is a lot. It's so overwhelming that it almost makes me want to give up. In some ways I may end up being less of a germaphobe when this is over with. I really feel you on this post, because I’ve been a bit of a germaphobe myself for the last several years, and COVID has been overwhelming to the same degree and for the exact reasons you describe. Plus, I’m not sure of your work status, but I’m an “essential” employee, so there’s the added stress of my workday too. I’m not too sure about your last sentence though, I guess it could go either way for me when this is over, and I end up less concerned about some germs, or even worse than I was before.
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Post by swamp on Apr 14, 2020 18:18:25 GMT -5
I am not too concerned with germs on a regular basis. I think some human contact does strengthen your immune system. But, there are limits to how much transfer I can accept. If you are not sick, I'm cool with casual contact (you touched my muffin, etc.) But if you are sick, take that shit home.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 18:33:18 GMT -5
In the back of my mind I keep hoping that maybe I had it and never knew, but then I think that would be awful because I could have given it to someone without knowing. Then I think it is extremely unlikely that I ever had it because back when the world was open no one I know had it so it doesn't make any sense that I would ever have had it and not known.
DF and I both had some weird, respiratory thing in late December/early January. It was something like I've never had before. For two nights I slept on the couch because I literally couldn't catch my breath. It was scary as shit. But I didn't have a high fever and I didn't seem to infect others. My youngest wound up with a cold but didn't have the breathing symptoms and my oldest never got sick. I went to work because I've always been in a field with tight deadlines and you go unless you know it is something contagious like the flu. I did keep my office door closed and tried to stay away from others (self-distancing before self-distancing was cool!lol). I left for Vegas on January 14 to celebrate my daughter's 21st birthday. I remember this thing lingered because I was sure hoping I was better before we left. The breathing part makes me question whether I had it. But Covid-19 is so contagious from what I've read that I would think I would have spread it. You and DF aren’t the only ones that had that weird respiratory thing in the same time frame. My DD experienced something similar to what you describe, including exhaustion and trouble breathing sometimes and she had a cough that lasted for weeks, and one of my coworkers described an experience that sounded almost exactly like what DD went through, and yet another coworker that had something similar but didn’t go into as much detail with me as the first, but she “caught” it from her Mom, whI was also sick.....all of these in the same time frame as you and DF. I also have a relative that had something similar, but hers was late January/early February. Like you, DD and my coworkers didn’t have anyone else in their households that got as sick as they were. My relative lives alone. I’m curious as to what this illness was that was floating around then. It doesn’t seem to have been the flu.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 19:07:04 GMT -5
The fact that I so enjoyed my virtual meeting last night actually scares the crap out of me. I'm really afraid that I won't find the courage to go to face-to-face meetings when the time comes. I know that I will probably never run errands or go to the park again without a mask and gloves. Fortunately, that won't be all that weird in our community. The thought of trying to figure out how we can comply with our state's Open Meetings Act in a time like this makes my head hurt. Will someone please tell me how small non-profits are supposed to provide full public access including disabled with zero dollars for technology and zero volunteers able to manage that technology?
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Post by formerroomate99 on Apr 14, 2020 19:31:39 GMT -5
Here's my wish list for post COVD changes to society:
National healthcare for everyone.
Sick time for everyone, even part time workers.
Companies finally allowing office workers to work from home most of the time (Sharing your screen over the internet is so much better than standing in someone's cube and trying to get close enough to see their screen without anyone getting creeped out.)
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Post by movingforward on Apr 14, 2020 19:43:08 GMT -5
Here's my wish list for post COVD changes to society: National healthcare for everyone. Sick time for everyone, even part time workers. Companies finally allowing office workers to work from home most of the time (Sharing your screen over the internet is so much better than standing in someone's cube and trying to get close enough to see their screen without anyone getting creeped out.) I'm all for the first two. As for the third, I really think it depends upon what you do. Not all office jobs are the same. I don't think my office functions as well working remotely. We can make it work since we have to but ultimately we really need to all be in the office together at least a couple of days each week. Prior to this I allowed people to work from home 1 day per week and that worked out really well.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Apr 14, 2020 22:31:27 GMT -5
Well, I do have a high school senior. I think that's almost worse than college senior because from what I remember of college last semester it was just finishing up my classes and then commencement (which I skipped), there wasn't a lot going on outside of that...but I wasn't involved in college extracurriculars at all. There are all the things wrapped up with high school. Prom, class trip, last concerts, senior nights, plus, DS qualified for state in speech for the first time ever and it was cancelled as was his senior solo ensemble. He does say they're having the ultimate senior skip day though! Yes, I feel sorry for them too. All the rituals, and the excitement of college acceptance, figuring out where you are going if you had not yet decided. All the rituals they got to do. plus, many of them have not had to deal with major disappointment to this degree. And to be unhappy with everything going on seems to be disproportionate. They are real victims in all of this, as are many of the other people whose lives have been turned upside down. Fortunately for the HS seniors, they have college to look forward to. Many college seniors were to enter the work force, and their carefree days are over. Only now, the virus has has tanked the economy, screwing them over again. I don't blame them for their feelings I’ve got a college senior who should be applying for jobs or graduate school. There is no way I’m going to have my empty nest anytime soon. My grocery bills alone make me want to cry.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 15, 2020 8:15:30 GMT -5
I’ve got a college senior who should be applying for jobs or graduate school. There is no way I’m going to have my empty nest anytime soon. My grocery bills alone make me want to cry. Now that DS is eat at home instead of out, our grocery bills are just as expensive as our mortgage. And that's only with two kids eating like adults, and me eating lunch at my inlaws.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Apr 15, 2020 8:20:33 GMT -5
I’ve got a college senior who should be applying for jobs or graduate school. There is no way I’m going to have my empty nest anytime soon. My grocery bills alone make me want to cry. Now that DS is eat at home instead of out, our grocery bills are just as expensive as our mortgage. And that's only with two kids eating like adults, and me eating lunch at my inlaws. I fear grocery store sales will become a thing of the past. I’m sure most folks are like me: shopping for whatever we can find in stock almost regardless of price. Invest your stimulus $ in grocery store stock.
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Post by stillmovingforward on Apr 15, 2020 8:25:14 GMT -5
I hear you! I have 3 coming home and I'm unemployed and not very likely to be re-employed any time soon. The food bill scares me.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Apr 15, 2020 8:35:47 GMT -5
I think we will eventually get back to large stadium seating, etc. but not real soon. I think revenue will win in the end especially if they come up with a vaccine. I do hope some changes will stick. Restaurants being held to higher standards of cleanliness would be a good thing. These crazy people that want to eat off other people's plates, yeah, I wouldn't mind if that kind of crap stopped. In my field I get invited to numerous lunches and dinners. A lot of times "the table" will order a couple of desserts to share. People will just dig in double dipping their forks. Uh, no thanks. I'll pass on dessert... I posted on another thread that I wouldn't care if handshaking went away. I always hated it during flu season anyway. a very good friend of mine does this, and it drives me batshit crazy. we will be out somewhere, and she'll just dip a fork in my plate from across the table. HELLO......I couldn't share your app b/c of comingled fryer oil, and now yo u just contaminated MY plate with the fork you've been using. thanks, kid. When I want a sample/taste of DH's plate - I ask. Then, depending on circumstances, I either use my unused fork/spoon to get a small bite or he uses his own silverware to drop a piece onto my plate. Assuming he's willing to share. Sometimes he's not and that's ok. And if there is anything on my plate he wants to try/thinks he can eat; he's got to do it before I start digging into my meal. Because of cross contamination concerns.
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Post by giramomma on Apr 15, 2020 8:37:00 GMT -5
Now that DS is eat at home instead of out, our grocery bills are just as expensive as our mortgage. And that's only with two kids eating like adults, and me eating lunch at my inlaws. I fear grocery store sales will become a thing of the past. I’m sure most folks are like me: shopping for whatever we can find in stock almost regardless of price. Invest your stimulus $ in grocery store stock. We're too poor for that There's a wide variety of grocery stores in town. We shop at a local chain that also employs DS. Generally the prices are the cheapest around...even sometimes better than costco. I don't need to pay a quarter to a dollar more per item to hear classical music piped in while I'm shopping. I get enough exposure to classical music at home.
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 15, 2020 8:45:46 GMT -5
a very good friend of mine does this, and it drives me batshit crazy. we will be out somewhere, and she'll just dip a fork in my plate from across the table. HELLO......I couldn't share your app b/c of comingled fryer oil, and now yo u just contaminated MY plate with the fork you've been using. thanks, kid. When I want a sample/taste of DH's plate - I ask. Then, depending on circumstances, I either use my unused fork/spoon to get a small bite or he uses his own silverware to drop a piece onto my plate. Assuming he's willing to share. Sometimes he's not and that's ok. And if there is anything on my plate he wants to try/thinks he can eat; he's got to do it before I start digging into my meal. Because of cross contamination concerns. I would be absolutely okay with that. I think that it's more that the thought has never crossed her mind b/c she and her family have zero allergy/sensitivity issues. but come on, we've been friends for almost 20y now. really??
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Apr 15, 2020 8:56:49 GMT -5
When I want a sample/taste of DH's plate - I ask. Then, depending on circumstances, I either use my unused fork/spoon to get a small bite or he uses his own silverware to drop a piece onto my plate. Assuming he's willing to share. Sometimes he's not and that's ok. And if there is anything on my plate he wants to try/thinks he can eat; he's got to do it before I start digging into my meal. Because of cross contamination concerns. I would be absolutely okay with that. I think that it's more that the thought has never crossed her mind b/c she and her family have zero allergy/sensitivity issues. but come on, we've been friends for almost 20y now. really?? Yeah, it was a pretty sharp learning curve with dh and me.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Apr 15, 2020 9:04:36 GMT -5
I fear grocery store sales will become a thing of the past. I’m sure most folks are like me: shopping for whatever we can find in stock almost regardless of price. Invest your stimulus $ in grocery store stock. We're too poor for that There's a wide variety of grocery stores in town. We shop at a local chain that also employs DS. Generally the prices are the cheapest around...even sometimes better than costco. I don't need to pay a quarter to a dollar more per item to hear classical music piped in while I'm shopping. I get enough exposure to classical music at home. We shop at the cheapest chain in the area, but supplement with a regular Whole Foods order. I’m not an ambiance shopper either. They moved and rebuilt my closest Whole Foods a few years ago and it is now industrial with no ceilings and steel girders and a cement floor, so not very conducive to spending much time there. In fact, I HATE grocery shopping because I need to read.EVERY.label.EVERY.single.time, so it’s more “I’m on a mission” shopping anyway, but I do like to stock up on loss leaders. I just don’t think grocery chains will need to offer weekly sales to get folks in the door anymore. We’re all desperate and afraid. They can start charging whatever they want (and I think they already have although I do understand that some of the current price hikes are due to supply issues). At least Whole Foods does tend to play 70s and 80s music on Friday nights so it’s like reliving my formative years, but not enough to make me happy to be grocery shopping.
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