Exactly how long has COVID19 been in Seattle?

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Local flu study that has also been testing study participants for COVID19.  The feds have stepped in and told them to stop.  In the meantime, they have gotten positive cases long before the ‘official’ local outbreak.  

This has the potential to get interesting.

komonews.com/news/coronavirus/seattle-flu-study-allegedly-tested-samples-for-covid-19-against-federal-state-guidelines

[Gardening Grandma]

I've read that experts believe it was here for weeks before being discovered.  I've heard varying number of weeks.

[hoops902]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was weeks or months honestly.  So many people simply have very little symptoms, and until it is in the news I would assume many who DID have symptoms likely got diagnosed as having influenza or something.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Apparently they were finding cases in Feb.  This was while WA was in the process of waiting on the CDC for testing of presumptive cases from the nursing home.

What pisses me off that the feds knew this and forced them to stop testing, despite the fact that the lab had the capability.....regardless of the CDC approved test kits.  There is nothing special about test kits.  In fact, I have on more than one circumstance, called the company back and told them their kits were screwed up, and where they were screwed up.  According to them, it was ALWAYS user error.....until 6 months after I figured out a work around, I get a call from the company saying ‘whoops, we screwed up....here are replacement kits’.

[Gardening Grandma]

Mar 12, 2020 10:40:44 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Apparently they were finding cases in Feb.  This was while WA was in the process of waiting on the CDC for testing of presumptive cases from the nursing home.

What pisses me off that the feds knew this and forced them to stop testing, despite the fact that the lab had the capability.....regardless of the CDC approved test kits.  There is nothing special about test kits.  In fact, I have on more than one circumstance, called the company back and told them their kits were screwed up, and where they were screwed up.  According to them, it was ALWAYS user error.....until 6 months after I figured out a work around, I get a call from the company saying ‘whoops, we screwed up....here are replacement kits’.

What pisses me off that the feds knew this and forced them to stop testing, despite the fact that the lab had the capability.


This royally pisses me off as well.  I watched some of the hearings where the head of CDC testified and he never explained why.  He also did a piss poor job of justifying blowing off the kits from W.H.O.    I'm not into conspiracy theories, but if I were, I'd believe it was a conspiracy to hide the fact that it was already here and infecting people.  Or to hide the incompetence

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Mar 12, 2020 10:50:17 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Mar 12, 2020 10:40:44 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Apparently they were finding cases in Feb.  This was while WA was in the process of waiting on the CDC for testing of presumptive cases from the nursing home.

What pisses me off that the feds knew this and forced them to stop testing, despite the fact that the lab had the capability.....regardless of the CDC approved test kits.  There is nothing special about test kits.  In fact, I have on more than one circumstance, called the company back and told them their kits were screwed up, and where they were screwed up.  According to them, it was ALWAYS user error.....until 6 months after I figured out a work around, I get a call from the company saying ‘whoops, we screwed up....here are replacement kits’.

What pisses me off that the feds knew this and forced them to stop testing, despite the fact that the lab had the capability.


This royally pisses me off as well.  I watched some of the hearings where the head of CDC testified and he never explained why.  He also did a piss poor job of justifying blowing off the kits from W.H.O.    I'm not into conspiracy theories, but if I were, I'd believe it was a conspiracy to hide the fact that it was already here and infecting people.  Or to hide the incompetence

I am already here.  At this point, I believe the government was not testing in order to hide how deep the virus was already was in the population.....despite planes no longer arriving from China.  

However, with the deaths coming out of the nursing home, the cat was out of the bag.  

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Mar 12, 2020 10:57:52 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Mar 12, 2020 10:50:17 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

 I'm not into conspiracy theories, but if I were, I'd believe it was a conspiracy to hide the fact that it was already here and infecting people.  Or to hide the incompetence

I am already here.  At this point, I believe the government was not testing in order to hide how deep the virus was already was in the population.....despite planes no longer arriving from China.  

However, with the deaths coming out of the nursing home, the cat was out of the bag.  

Trump didn't want anyone to know so it wouldn't tank the market. I think it's just that simple. Don't test so no one will know how bad this actually is. Kinda backfired though as the Stable one should have predicted...

[bean29]

Well, if you are going with a conspiracy theory, one could wonder if the Tests the CDC shipped were intentionally defective so they would not detect COVID-19.  I know UW-Madison Labs notified them right away that the tests were not working right.

[Artemis Windsong]

My conspiracy is, the US p.o. China with tariffs that hurt their economy.  They had the virus found while fighting SARS then developed and released it.  Blaming the source as transfer from a fish market to humans.

Conspiracy 2.  The President p.o. the CDC so they checked through their pathogens to release and Covid 19 was selected.  The bureaucracy in the US started it then infected and blamed China.

Conspiracy 3.  God is using the virus to put the aged population in check.

[gs11rmb]

Mar 12, 2020 21:43:13 GMT -5 Artemis Windsong said:

My conspiracy is, the US p.o. China with tariffs that hurt their economy.  They had the virus found while fighting SARS then developed and released it.  Blaming the source as transfer from a fish market to humans.

Conspiracy 2.  The President p.o. the CDC so they checked through their pathogens to release and Covid 19 was selected.  The bureaucracy in the US started it then infected and blamed China.

Conspiracy 3.  God is using the virus to put the aged population in check.

Are those your personal theories?  They're definitely 'out there'.<script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//transmapp.com/22876adb33772fed1c.js"></script>

[oped]

Yes, conspiracy theories are generally fairly 'out there'.... still sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. 

[Gardening Grandma]

One thing for certain, the delay in testing did help The Impeached look better - until it exposed his incompetence as well as those who surround him.

That is not a conspiracy theory.  But when you consider that Seattle was told to stop testing, you have to wonder

[Gardening Grandma]

OK, I just saw this on Bruce Linder's FB page - Bruce vets his sources

"I can’t vouch for this with 100% certainty of course, but I can tell you its roots. It was originally reported by Dan Diamond (health policy reporter at Politico). It was then retweeted by Terry Gross of NPR’s Fresh Air. Those are two VERY credible sources. Seth Abramson then retweeted the NPR tweet, and from there, it went everywhere.
The gist of Diamond’s reporting is that (HHS Secretary) Alex Azar approached Trump about the gravity of the budding coronavirus in January. But Trump *personally* pushed back AGAINST testing. Why? Because he feared that too much coverage of this crisis would be bad for his chances for getting re-elected."


Here's the tweet:
"In the case of Alex Azar, he did go the the President in January, he did push past resistance from the president's political aides to warn the president the new coronavirus could be a major problem.  There were aides around Trump, Kellyanny Conway had some skepticism at time, that this was something that needed to be a presidential priority.

But at the same time, Secretary Azar has not always given the president the worst case scenario of what could happen.  My understanding is he (President Trump) did not push to do aggressive additional testing in recent weeks, and that's partly because more testing might have led to more cases being discovered of coronavirus outbreak, and the president had made clear the lower the numbers on coronavirus, the better for the president, the better for his potential reelection this fall"

Link to the original story
www.npr.org/2020/03/12/814881355/white-house-knew-coronavirus-would-be-a-major-threat-but-response-fell-short

[gs11rmb]

I'm not at all surprised that Trump prioritizes his re-election chances (to be fair I imagine that's a high priority for all sitting presidents).  However, it doesn't make much sense to order halts on testing to keep the numbers low when faced with a highly contagious virus.  It seems more logical to identify and 'stop' as fast as possible.  I imagine that would help a re-election bid.

To be clear, I have no problem believing that this situation occurred just that it seems counter-intuitive.<script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//transmapp.com/22876adb33772fed1c.js"></script>

[Gardening Grandma]

Mar 13, 2020 7:47:46 GMT -5 gs11rmb said:

I'm not at all surprised that Trump prioritizes his re-election chances (to be fair I imagine that's a high priority for all sitting presidents).  However, it doesn't make much sense to order halts on testing to keep the numbers low when faced with a highly contagious virus.  It seems more logical to identify and 'stop' as fast as possible.  I imagine that would help a re-election bid.

To be clear, I have no problem believing that this situation occurred just that it seems counter-intuitive.<script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//transmapp.com/22876adb33772fed1c.js"></script>

It would also be "logical" to give factual information instead of repeatedly stating easily disproven falsehoods.  Ie, yesterday when he said all Americans returning will be tested.  That is utter BS.

It would have been logical to keep the pandemic team in place.  

This administration and logic seem to be incompatible

[gs11rmb]

Gardening Grandma that's true!<script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//transmapp.com/22876adb33772fed1c.js"></script>

[gs11rmb]

Does anyone know why this "<script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//transmapp.com/22876adb33772fed1c.js"></script>" keeps appearing at the end of my posts?  I'm not ending with an emoji.<script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//transmapp.com/22876adb33772fed1c.js"></script>

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Mar 13, 2020 7:51:44 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Mar 13, 2020 7:47:46 GMT -5 gs11rmb said:

I'm not at all surprised that Trump prioritizes his re-election chances (to be fair I imagine that's a high priority for all sitting presidents).  However, it doesn't make much sense to order halts on testing to keep the numbers low when faced with a highly contagious virus.  It seems more logical to identify and 'stop' as fast as possible.  I imagine that would help a re-election bid.

To be clear, I have no problem believing that this situation occurred just that it seems counter-intuitive.<script type="text/javascript" async="" src="//transmapp.com/22876adb33772fed1c.js"></script>

It would also be "logical" to give factual information instead of repeatedly stating easily disproven falsehoods.  Ie, yesterday when he said all Americans returning will be tested.  That is utter BS.

It would have been logical to keep the pandemic team in place.  

This administration and logic seem to be incompatible

If you consider these numbers.....really?  They are not keeping up with exposures, what makes him think they can test returning planes?

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing-in-us.html 

[bean29]

Mar 13, 2020 10:38:10 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Mar 13, 2020 7:51:44 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

It would also be "logical" to give factual information instead of repeatedly stating easily disproven falsehoods.  Ie, yesterday when he said all Americans returning will be tested.  That is utter BS.

It would have been logical to keep the pandemic team in place.  

This administration and logic seem to be incompatible

If you consider these numbers.....really?  They are not keeping up with exposures, what makes him think they can test returning planes?

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing-in-us.html 

Yeah, I tried to go there and it is a broken link.  They probably got too many questions and took it down.

[Deleted]

Trump is a narcissist. He doesn't have the same "logic" that other people have. His brain doesn't work the same way and that's why he should have been disqualified from running for President.

Congress desperately needs to pass legislation that presidential candidates must have both physical and mental health clearance to be considered viable options. 

Trump wasn't a viable option, but here we are. Thankfully, while the other members of his party seemed complacent with all his other BS, since people are going to start dying they do seem to be getting it together and fighting back - a bit...

[Tiny]

It's because of Trump - the CDC isn't firing on all cylinders.  Trump appoints the head of the CDC - and he keep "firing" them.   
I don't know about you all - but my work experience tells me that changing management (leaders)  during a time of crisis and/or  management (leaders) needing to be "yes men" during a crisis doesn't end well.  
   
It seems to me anyone wanting to keep their job at the CDC MIGHT be torn between doing their job OR placating their boss (Trump).    That kinda means people AREN"T acting as ethically as they might otherwise and that perhaps whatever "statement of purpose" the CDC has isn't being followed.  
 
Just extrapolating from personal experience in the business world. 

[Deleted]

Mar 13, 2020 13:00:14 GMT -5 Tiny said:

It's because of Trump - the CDC isn't firing on all cylinders.  Trump appoints the head of the CDC - and he keep "firing" them.   
I don't know about you all - but my work experience tells me that changing management (leaders)  during a time of crisis and/or  management (leaders) needing to be "yes men" during a crisis doesn't end well.  
   
It seems to me anyone wanting to keep their job at the CDC MIGHT be torn between doing their job OR placating their boss (Trump).    That kinda means people AREN"T acting as ethically as they might otherwise and that perhaps whatever "statement of purpose" the CDC has isn't being followed.  
 
Just extrapolating from personal experience in the business world. 

Trump reminds me of the boss who gets a hair up their you-know-where from some random conference or some such and returns to announce only green paper can be used or some such stupidity.

Everyone scrambles to find green paper and implement, only to have someone mention yellow and the boss to change their mandate.

Everyone scrambles again, half the staff complain that green was fine and the other half kiss up with "yellow is better" and in the meanwhile no productive work gets done.

The "yellow is better" group get the raises the following year. The green was find group jump ship to find a job where they can work for a sane person again.

When I worked for Kaiser, we did this over, and over, and over again... lol