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Post by teen persuasion on Feb 27, 2020 19:06:58 GMT -5
Would a Facebook page be simpler to manage? DH's family church is very good about online communications. My MIL grouses about it but the rest of us use it. It is helpful to see when the Mass times are and special events. DH's niece is being confirmed in April. They have all the details up about that. It's helpful since he doesn't go regularly. We will attend for that. I asked Fr. if there was at least a Facebook page, he wasn't sure, thought maybe the new Rel. Ed. Director might do that. Obviously he's not thinking of it at all. I just went looking on Facebook - there is a page in the name of the other church site in my parish (that building's old parish name), not in the current merged parish name. Yay, so it's like my church doesn't even exist! This has been a problem - each church acting independently of the other, setting conflicting dates for events at either site, both wanting to use a hall at the same time... Each church still thinks and acts separately, because we are different communities, in different counties.
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Post by teen persuasion on Feb 27, 2020 19:47:31 GMT -5
Several of the small churches here are using Facebook only for websites. When the dying church I worked for was near it's end, we had a website and a Facebook page. Thankfully one of the parishioners had the password for the website because as soon as we were told the church was closing, the Pastor (only admin on Facebook) deleted the page. The website was the only way the church council had of communicating with members. They did set up a private Facebook group to complain and discuss what was happening after the Pastor shut down the page. The synod here said they would never put him in a church again after some of what went down. He went in to real estate but now has a church in another state. In small church in this day and age, electronic communications are very important. I had all of the email addresses, so was able to give those to the President of the Church Council. As things were getting weird before the official word, we had changed the password on the computer so the Pastor couldn't get on it. We've really been at the mercy of the diocese, they make all the decisions, whether we like them or not. And right now the diocese is kinda sidetracked, what with the priest sex abuse scandal and the bishop being forced out due to covering up the scandal and now the diocese filing bankruptcy due to the victim payouts. Even before all that, though, the priest shortage had us informally linked to a different parish, in the other geographical direction, which was a good linkage (shared a different priest) because both villages are part of the same school district. When the diocese began mergers, we asked to formally merge. Nope, the diocese essentially "divorced" us, put my church with the 2 in the other county to the east, and put our mate with 4 city churches to the west (selling off that building to a bible church) and our priest (who we loved) was pushed out with no parish! Then the priest who was given my new parish promptly left when he didn't get the plum position he desired. Eventually we got someone new, never had a parish before, definitely not a people person, not organized. We muddled on in spite of his cold stand-offishness, for 11 years. And then he left. So the new priest has his hands full with his own merged churches parish north of us, and he was given another set of merged churches to tend, too. No wonder he's trying to minimize duties whenever possible. Even before this, I'd reached the conclusion that the lay members of our church need to step up and take over as much of our parish's duties as we can, running nearly everything ourselves, making our own decisions, and the priest just does the parts only he can do (sacraments). We've just been following the rules, waiting passively for the diocese to pick a priest for us, following the next priest's quirks and choices (get rid of this, change that), you get the idea. Not sure if anyone else is thinking this way, though.
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Post by teen persuasion on Feb 27, 2020 21:14:00 GMT -5
I have no idea why you'd say that! (I hope this works- it's from 3 years ago as the palms from the previous year were burned into ashes. No idea why it's sideways. I get that he's overwhelmed trying to manage a bunch of loosely connected, poor church communities, but it'll be managing them into the ground by cutting off any electronic connections. I may be volunteering to do this myself... Yeah, I manage ours. The Diocese paid for a platform called Digital Faith and it's pretty good. I've seen my share of church sites where you had to wade through too many pages to find Christmas or Easter service schedules or they had pictures from last Christmas on the site in August. Most of the new people we've gotten have checked out our Web site first. I manage the library website, so not a problem for me. I've just been looking at websites of other churches near us, from a list of parishes in the diocese. There are maybe a third that have no website link at all. Several of the ones that had a link were no longer working links, like my parish. Quite a few working websites were powered by some outside "church/catholic" web service or platform, pricy monthly fees. Some were nice, even had parish apps; others were pretty icky (and were platform ones).
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Post by justme on Feb 27, 2020 21:27:05 GMT -5
I made it into adulthood without knowing much about ash Wednesday. Hell I still don't know much beyond the ash on the forehead. Then again I only recently realized ash wed, fast Tuesday, and Easter were all interconnected. 🤣
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 27, 2020 22:11:17 GMT -5
I made it into adulthood without knowing much about ash Wednesday. Hell I still don't know much beyond the ash on the forehead. Then again I only recently realized ash wed, fast Tuesday, and Easter were all interconnected. 🤣 Good Friday too.
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Post by rubypearl on Feb 27, 2020 23:53:27 GMT -5
Fml. That is all
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 28, 2020 0:17:18 GMT -5
I've heard them called C and E. Christmas and Easter. We are Russian Orthodox and a week later then the other Christian religions this year. I grew up Lutheran and enjoyed pancakes for dinner on Shrove Tuesday. Yes, but Russian Orthodoxy doesn't do Ash Wednesday. Or a Pope, despite the similarities with Catholicism.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 28, 2020 8:51:20 GMT -5
I made it into adulthood without knowing much about ash Wednesday. Hell I still don't know much beyond the ash on the forehead. Then again I only recently realized ash wed, fast Tuesday, and Easter were all interconnected. 🤣 Same. I didn't know about Maundy Thursday until I worked for a Lutheran church. I knew about Good Friday, but since I had to work, it was just another day. Around here, it's a no school day and mostly a no work day. Dad didn't get his meal served on Good Friday either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 11:13:35 GMT -5
Interesting first post. Care to elaborate?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 11:14:31 GMT -5
I made it into adulthood without knowing much about ash Wednesday. Hell I still don't know much beyond the ash on the forehead. Then again I only recently realized ash wed, fast Tuesday, and Easter were all interconnected. 🤣 It's Fat Tuesday.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Feb 28, 2020 12:15:41 GMT -5
I made it into adulthood without knowing much about ash Wednesday. Hell I still don't know much beyond the ash on the forehead. Then again I only recently realized ash wed, fast Tuesday, and Easter were all interconnected. 🤣 It's Fat Tuesday. Well, in her defense, it goes by pretty fast if you go to all the parades and drink all day.
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Post by sesfw on Feb 28, 2020 19:55:16 GMT -5
Our church does a communion service on Maundy Thursday.
We make about 200 PB&J sandwiches to go into a sack lunch. Put in chips, fruit, cookies, granola bar, bottle of water and we take them to a shelter on Good Friday.
Our communion meal in the service is PB&J sandwiches made from the heels of the loaves of bread. It's a good service commemorating the Last Supper of Jesus and his disciples.
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Post by cronewitch on Feb 28, 2020 21:10:36 GMT -5
I didn't know fat Tuesday and ash Wednesday were related until a couple years ago. I don't know what ash Wednesday or lent is except lent you give up something for a few weeks.
Anyone care to explain what it all is?
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Post by teen persuasion on Feb 28, 2020 22:18:27 GMT -5
Let me see -
Lent is the period of time before Easter Sunday. It's 40 days (like Jesus's 40 days in the desert), but Sundays aren't included in Lent, so it begins more like 47 days before Easter Sunday. Ash Wednesday is the first day of Lent, named for the ashes you get marked on your forehead in the sign of a cross. Mardi Gras, or fat Tuesday, is the last day before Lent begins, so it's the last day to live it up before the 40 days of self-denial. The fat part is about using up indulgent fats in your kitchen before Lent begins.
Before Vatican II, I believe you were supposed to forego all meat (technically the flesh of warm-blooded animals, hence the exemption for fish, etc.) for the whole of Lent, and fast on Ash Wednesday and Fridays all year IIRC. Vatican II toned that down to no meat on Fridays of Lent, and fasting only on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday (the Friday immediately before Easter Sunday, when Jesus was killed).
Over a dozen years ago, our parish priest at the time was the one who pointed out the rule that Sundays weren't included in Lent. He was trying to give people an out to cheat-but-not-cheat on their Lenten sacrifice, if they felt they couldn't go 40 straight days without giving up or giving in. A chance to recommit weekly if needed, to continue. He was also the one who encouraged us to make our Lenten sacrifice something positive (a positive choice or act), rather than negative (giving something up).
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Post by teen persuasion on Feb 28, 2020 22:55:26 GMT -5
The latest storm crossing the country was heading into my area on Ash Wednesday. Woke to a bit of snow, but temps in the 40s had been forecast, so it changed to rain most of the day. By evening, the news were all hyping up the bad weather for the next few days: change back to snow, high winds, LES, blizzard conditions, etc. School start closing for Thursday, and we are expecting Friday to be worse, so figure we are all getting a long weekend. Thursday, it was a good call - good day to stay indoors, the wind had the snow in whiteouts most of the day. One school superintendent railed against NWS, because her district didn't get the promised blizzard, sorry she closed schools, but even working parents said they'd rather the kids were off the roads. The forecast for Friday started toning down, and blizzard watches were cancelled, and most schools reopened.
So on Friday morning on GMA they've sent a reporter to the lake shore in snow country, at this one place where Route 5 runs right next to the water. Everyone here knows when there are high winds, they whip the lake water onto the roadway. A few years back there was a car encased in ice by similar conditions. Anyhow, we all know the exact spot - there's a restaurant there, right on the water's edge, Hoak's. The reporters are there, talking all about the big storm, lots of hyperbole, look - the plows are out, trying to keep the roads clear!!! I'm thinking, it's winter, of course the plows are out, that's like saying it's a school day, look! The school buses are out! Or, its garbage day, look! Garbage trucks! The storm was yesterday, you missed it, reporters! Back to normal.
Fast forward to the evening local news - the local reporters are out at Hoak's. It's the first Friday of Lent! Beginning of Fish Fry Season! Hoak's has the best fish fry, that's the angle. Switched channels at some point - another fish fry story because it's the start of Fish Fry Season! Back to the breaking expected news about the Diocese filing bankruptcy!
Definitely a Catholic region.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 28, 2020 23:26:46 GMT -5
Let me see - Lent is the period of time before Easter Sunday. It's 40 days (like Jesus's 40 days in the desert), but Sundays aren't included in Lent, so it begins more like 47 days before Easter Sunday. Ash Wednesday is the first day of Lent, named for the ashes you get marked on your forehead in the sign of a cross. Mardi Gras, or fat Tuesday, is the last day before Lent begins, so it's the last day to live it up before the 40 days of self-denial. The fat part is about using up indulgent fats in your kitchen before Lent begins. Before Vatican II, I believe you were supposed to forego all meat (technically the flesh of warm-blooded animals, hence the exemption for fish, etc.) for the whole of Lent, and fast on Ash Wednesday and Fridays all year IIRC. Vatican II toned that down to no meat on Fridays of Lent, and fasting only on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday (the Friday immediately before Easter Sunday, when Jesus was killed). Over a dozen years ago, our parish priest at the time was the one who pointed out the rule that Sundays weren't included in Lent. He was trying to give people an out to cheat-but-not-cheat on their Lenten sacrifice, if they felt they couldn't go 40 straight days without giving up or giving in. A chance to recommit weekly if needed, to continue. He was also the one who encouraged us to make our Lenten sacrifice something positive (a positive choice or act), rather than negative (giving something up). In Russian Orthodoxy, it's 40 days of strict veganism for Lent. No animal products whatsoever. No butter, no eggs, no milk, no cheese, no meat. It was a pain in the ass.
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Post by cronewitch on Feb 29, 2020 2:13:35 GMT -5
Let me see - Lent is the period of time before Easter Sunday. It's 40 days (like Jesus's 40 days in the desert), but Sundays aren't included in Lent, so it begins more like 47 days before Easter Sunday. Ash Wednesday is the first day of Lent, named for the ashes you get marked on your forehead in the sign of a cross. Mardi Gras, or fat Tuesday, is the last day before Lent begins, so it's the last day to live it up before the 40 days of self-denial. The fat part is about using up indulgent fats in your kitchen before Lent begins. Before Vatican II, I believe you were supposed to forego all meat (technically the flesh of warm-blooded animals, hence the exemption for fish, etc.) for the whole of Lent, and fast on Ash Wednesday and Fridays all year IIRC. Vatican II toned that down to no meat on Fridays of Lent, and fasting only on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday (the Friday immediately before Easter Sunday, when Jesus was killed). Over a dozen years ago, our parish priest at the time was the one who pointed out the rule that Sundays weren't included in Lent. He was trying to give people an out to cheat-but-not-cheat on their Lenten sacrifice, if they felt they couldn't go 40 straight days without giving up or giving in. A chance to recommit weekly if needed, to continue. He was also the one who encouraged us to make our Lenten sacrifice something positive (a positive choice or act), rather than negative (giving something up). Thanks but why are they marked with ash? do they burn palm leaves to make ask and why palm leaves?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 7:49:25 GMT -5
Thanks but why are they marked with ash? do they burn palm leaves to make ash and why palm leaves? Both have scriptural bases. In the days of the Old Testament, fasting for religious purposes was common and those who were fasting typically covered themselves with ashes and tore their clothes- a way to disfigure yourself, I guess. It's probably a remnant of that practice and it's also a reminder that "you are dust and to dust you shall return", which is what the priest says when he/she applies ashes. The palm leaves are a reference to Jesus being greeted with people waving palm leaves as he entered Jerusalem. We get them on Palm Sunday (last Sunday before Easter) and take them home but most of us don't know what to do with them. I put them up on the mantel and of course they dry out. There's a dying art of weaving them into interesting patterns while they're still fresh. Tp me, it's practical to bring them back and have them burned for the next Ash Wednesday. Like most religious rituals these can look odd to outsiders but it's what I was raised with and I still treasure ritual- combined with good works, thinking and all the other important elements of religious practice.
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Post by Opti on Feb 29, 2020 10:42:17 GMT -5
Let me see - Lent is the period of time before Easter Sunday. It's 40 days (like Jesus's 40 days in the desert), but Sundays aren't included in Lent, so it begins more like 47 days before Easter Sunday. Ash Wednesday is the first day of Lent, named for the ashes you get marked on your forehead in the sign of a cross. Mardi Gras, or fat Tuesday, is the last day before Lent begins, so it's the last day to live it up before the 40 days of self-denial. The fat part is about using up indulgent fats in your kitchen before Lent begins. Before Vatican II, I believe you were supposed to forego all meat (technically the flesh of warm-blooded animals, hence the exemption for fish, etc.) for the whole of Lent, and fast on Ash Wednesday and Fridays all year IIRC. Vatican II toned that down to no meat on Fridays of Lent, and fasting only on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday (the Friday immediately before Easter Sunday, when Jesus was killed). Over a dozen years ago, our parish priest at the time was the one who pointed out the rule that Sundays weren't included in Lent. He was trying to give people an out to cheat-but-not-cheat on their Lenten sacrifice, if they felt they couldn't go 40 straight days without giving up or giving in. A chance to recommit weekly if needed, to continue. He was also the one who encouraged us to make our Lenten sacrifice something positive (a positive choice or act), rather than negative (giving something up). In Russian Orthodoxy, it's 40 days of strict veganism for Lent. No animal products whatsoever. No butter, no eggs, no milk, no cheese, no meat. It was a pain in the ass. I remember hearing that. My family went to Lenten services but wasn't big on giving things up. Both parents were born around the Great Depression so I figure they thought it was a gesture best suited to those who needed to give things up. IDK.
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Post by Opti on Feb 29, 2020 10:43:52 GMT -5
I've heard them called C and E. Christmas and Easter. We are Russian Orthodox and a week later then the other Christian religions this year. I grew up Lutheran and enjoyed pancakes for dinner on Shrove Tuesday. Yes, but Russian Orthodoxy doesn't do Ash Wednesday. Or a Pope, despite the similarities with Catholicism. I guess the Russians are smarter?
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 29, 2020 11:03:10 GMT -5
Thanks but why are they marked with ash? do they burn palm leaves to make ash and why palm leaves? Both have scriptural bases. In the days of the Old Testament, fasting for religious purposes was common and those who were fasting typically covered themselves with ashes and tore their clothes- a way to disfigure yourself, I guess. It's probably a remnant of that practice and it's also a reminder that "you are dust and to dust you shall return", which is what the priest says when he/she applies ashes. The palm leaves are a reference to Jesus being greeted with people waving palm leaves as he entered Jerusalem. We get them on Palm Sunday (last Sunday before Easter) and take them home but most of us don't know what to do with them. I put them up on the mantel and of course they dry out. There's a dying art of weaving them into interesting patterns while they're still fresh. Tp me, it's practical to bring them back and have them burned for the next Ash Wednesday. Like most religious rituals these can look odd to outsiders but it's what I was raised with and I still treasure ritual- combined with good works, thinking and all the other important elements of religious practice. This was the woven pattern of palm leaves from Palm Sunday in my parents' home.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Feb 29, 2020 11:12:45 GMT -5
We weave our palms into a cross and put behind an icon at home. We also give out willows on Palm Sunday. There aren't any palms in Russia.
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Post by Opti on Feb 29, 2020 11:15:10 GMT -5
We weave our palms into a cross and put behind an icon at home. We also give out willows on Palm Sunday. There aren't any palms in Russia. There was no weaving at home. Which may be too bad because maybe we could have made baskets. Yeah we did the cross thing with the palms and stuck them behind pictures.
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Post by jerseygirl on Feb 29, 2020 19:42:23 GMT -5
I put palms that are shaped like a cross behind the sunscreen in my car, don’t have a plastic St Christopher so hoping palms will keep me safe
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