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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 25, 2020 22:27:25 GMT -5
How to read others' ashes as you pass them on the street, food or package stores, etc.:
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Post by haapai on Feb 25, 2020 23:48:59 GMT -5
Can you provide a guide to non-Catholics? Specifically, can you tell me when the ash-daubing begins and how fast the line moves?
I've long worked an overnight shift and been amazed when not-particularly-pious coworkers show up at six or seven in the morning wearing ashes. Yeah, there are a few that show up fresh-faced at six and get ashed on their lunch breaks, but I've never wanted to ask for details.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 25, 2020 23:56:39 GMT -5
Can you provide a guide to non-Catholics? Specifically, can you tell me when the ash-daubing begins and how fast the line moves?
I've long worked an overnight shift and been amazed when not-particularly-pious coworkers show up at six or seven in the morning wearing ashes. Yeah, there are a few that show up fresh-faced at six and get ashed on their lunch breaks, but I've never wanted to ask for details.
It's been a zillion years since I last received ashes on Ash Wednesday. I received mine in a catholic church. I also attended Catholic schools so I/we went to the church associated with the school during school hours. I would imagine if you pass by a Catholic church on your way to work, stop by it and they are probably administering ashes. Or go during lunchtime. EDIT: I noticed you said you work the overnight shift. Stop by a Catholic church on your way home. It doesn't take time at all.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 26, 2020 0:13:53 GMT -5
I just saw some girls dressed crazy and I'm thinking "It is 8 pm on a Tuesday- what the...." and then I remembered it is Fat Tuesday.
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Post by giramomma on Feb 26, 2020 7:41:35 GMT -5
Can you provide a guide to non-Catholics? Specifically, can you tell me when the ash-daubing begins and how fast the line moves?
I've long worked an overnight shift and been amazed when not-particularly-pious coworkers show up at six or seven in the morning wearing ashes. Yeah, there are a few that show up fresh-faced at six and get ashed on their lunch breaks, but I've never wanted to ask for details.
It depends on the church. Our church has Ash Wednesday masses 6:30am, 8:30 am, 5:30pm and 7:00pm. There's also all school mass today at 10. Public can attend that, but I would assume that's lower attendance for the general public. We're the largest church in our diocese. Something like 5-6K families belong to our church.
There's also lots of womb and tomb catholics (ie, they attend Christmas and Easter events...but don't go for the rest of the year.) I grew up being a womb and tomb Catholic.
I don't know how fast the lines move..I think that's pretty dependent.
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Post by tractor on Feb 26, 2020 8:15:35 GMT -5
It’s not just the Catholics either, so I suppose when you factor in other religions, you will have quite a few more options.
I like the womb-tomb reference, we call it hatch, match and dispatch Christians (baptism, weddings and funerals) 🙂
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Feb 26, 2020 8:46:24 GMT -5
I've heard them called C and E. Christmas and Easter. We are Russian Orthodox and a week later then the other Christian religions this year.
I grew up Lutheran and enjoyed pancakes for dinner on Shrove Tuesday.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 8:49:58 GMT -5
I was "ashed" early. We had a Mardi Gras pancake supper at church last night, with a Bloody Mary bar. (It is good to be an Episcopalian. ) My contribution was 2 king cakes- I couldn't find the plastic babies from last year (I think this was at least my 5th year in a row making them) and no grocery stores had them so they didn't pose a risk to anyone's dental work. AT 7 PM we assembled in the church for a short Ash Wednesday service from the Book of Common Prayer, which included imposition of ashes. Some churches publicize "ashes to go"- the priest may even show up at a commuter train station. The service is only 1/2 hour so I prefer the whole package.
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Post by sesfw on Feb 26, 2020 9:01:58 GMT -5
We'll have our Ash Wednesday service this evening. There is a fire pit on the church grounds and the palm fronds from last years Palm Sunday service will be burned. Those ashes will be saved for next years Ash Wednesday service.
The ashes for tonight are from last year.
Ties each year together.
Service will be about a half hour.
A small Lutheran church in town will have noon time drive by ashes.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Feb 26, 2020 9:06:58 GMT -5
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Post by andi9899 on Feb 26, 2020 9:13:56 GMT -5
I've heard them called C and E. Christmas and Easter. We are Russian Orthodox and a week later then the other Christian religions this year. I grew up Lutheran and enjoyed pancakes for dinner on Shrove Tuesday. I'm a C&E Catholic. I grew up in a very traditional Catholic family and attended Catholic school. I had to go to church 3 times a week. I figure I've built up enough time that I don't really have to go as much anymore.
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Post by andi9899 on Feb 26, 2020 9:15:32 GMT -5
Thing 1 is giving up soda for lent. $20 says she's just going to substitute another sugary drink for it and get no health benefits from it.
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Post by Opti on Feb 26, 2020 10:28:03 GMT -5
I've heard them called C and E. Christmas and Easter. We are Russian Orthodox and a week later then the other Christian religions this year. I grew up Lutheran and enjoyed pancakes for dinner on Shrove Tuesday. I grew up Lutheran and the very occasional church service attenders usually showed up for Easter and Christmas. I don't remember actually doing ashes, though we probably did sometimes. Working in a senior healthcare facility its common to have a priest come through on Ash Wednesday. This year I will avoid the ashes as I am already marked by my healing shingles forehead explosion. Being that its Wed 2/26/2020, the coronavirus has damped down celebrations. I want to give up negative thinking for lent. It won't be easy, but I think its more useful than giving up exciting food that I have given up for years becuz living while poor.
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Post by Opti on Feb 26, 2020 10:29:35 GMT -5
Maybe for lent I should go car shopping! (I will refrain from car buying though)
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Post by Tiny on Feb 26, 2020 11:21:59 GMT -5
Can you provide a guide to non-Catholics? Specifically, can you tell me when the ash-daubing begins and how fast the line moves?
I've long worked an overnight shift and been amazed when not-particularly-pious coworkers show up at six or seven in the morning wearing ashes. Yeah, there are a few that show up fresh-faced at six and get ashed on their lunch breaks, but I've never wanted to ask for details.
It does depend on the Church. The downtown church has multiple "quickies" in the morning and at lunch time. There's a 10 minute "service" and then ashes are done. Rinse and repeat starting at 7:00am going till 8:30 or so. There's usually 4 or 5 'ash givers' (not sure if only priests can do it or if deacons or specially "blessed" for the occasion people can do it) and over 100 hundred people at each session. So, you can get 'ashed' with a 20 minute time commitment (or less if you jump in line without having been there for the service.) My BFF's little suburban church (it's the survivor of a bunch of church closings so it's got people from all over the area coming) had a Tuesday nite 1hour 15 minute "ash service" and then will have a couple of 1 hour and 15 minute services with ashes done as part of the service today, Wednesday. They will 'ash' approximately 500 to 600 people/kids. If your coworkers have access to a "quickie" service - I'd say they pretty much committed to maybe an extra 30 minutes of their morning... the drive to the Church/other place, the short service, the ashing, and then jump back in their car and go to work. Alternatively, they may have just shown up late for a long service, gotten their ashes, and then ducked out of the service before it ended. Also about a 30 minutes time commitment. I use to see that happen back in the 70's when I was participating in all the rituals (as a kid and teen).
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 26, 2020 11:43:13 GMT -5
I was "ashed" early. We had a Mardi Gras pancake supper at church last night, with a Bloody Mary bar. ( It is good to be an Episcopalian. ) My contribution was 2 king cakes- I couldn't find the plastic babies from last year (I think this was at least my 5th year in a row making them) and no grocery stores had them so they didn't pose a risk to anyone's dental work. AT 7 PM we assembled in the church for a short Ash Wednesday service from the Book of Common Prayer, which included imposition of ashes. Some churches publicize "ashes to go"- the priest may even show up at a commuter train station. The service is only 1/2 hour so I prefer the whole package. In 1950s Catholic grammar school, the nuns told us if we ever found ourselves in a part of the country where there were no Catholic churches around so that we could attend Sunday mass, to seek out an Episcopalian church and their Sunday services.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 11:49:23 GMT -5
In 1950s Catholic grammar school, the nuns told us if we ever found ourselves in a part of the country where there were no Catholic churches around so that we could attend Sunday mass, to seek out an Episcopalian church and their Sunday services. Yes, very similar- I was raised Roman Catholic but the Pope and I disagree on a few things- the Episcopal Church was a good place to land. I've been a member almost 30 years now.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 26, 2020 11:56:12 GMT -5
In 1950s Catholic grammar school, the nuns told us if we ever found ourselves in a part of the country where there were no Catholic churches around so that we could attend Sunday mass, to seek out an Episcopalian church and their Sunday services. Yes, very similar- I was raised Roman Catholic but the Pope and I disagree on a few things- the Episcopal Church was a good place to land. I've been a member almost 30 years now. A friend of mine left the Catholic priesthood in the 80s. He later married and had several children. Later on, divorced. He missed the religious life and spirirually helping others. After retiring from secular employment, he was ordained into the Episcopalian church. He died in peace with his faith.
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Post by giramomma on Feb 26, 2020 12:12:29 GMT -5
Thing 1 is giving up soda for lent. $20 says she's just going to substitute another sugary drink for it and get no health benefits from it. We try to add things, rather than deprive. One year, my lenten thing was to read daily from the bible.
This reminds me the peanut and I should figure out some acts of service to do. We didn't do much of that this year for Christmas..this year it was more toy/clothing buying...but we ended up taking stuff for three kids in need, which is more than we normally do.
I'm dealing with some massive peri-menpausal rage right now. Let's say me denying vices would really make matters worse....
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 26, 2020 12:33:35 GMT -5
So in the very Catholic part of the Netherlands (the south) where I am from we would celebrate Carnival until the stroke of midnight Tuesday night. Then all the party goers would go to the plaza in front of the church and sing a song that would officially close the celebrations. After that the vast majority filed into the church and got their ash cross. I am not sure this tradition is still followed nowadays though as I haven't been there for many years now → and besides I really don't have it in me anymore to go out until 4-5 am every night starting on Friday night until midnight on Tuesday → getting older sucks...
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Feb 26, 2020 15:48:08 GMT -5
Yes, very similar- I was raised Roman Catholic but the Pope and I disagree on a few things- the Episcopal Church was a good place to land. I've been a member almost 30 years now. A friend of mine left the Catholic priesthood in the 80s. He later married and had several children. Later on, divorced. He missed the religious life and spirirually helping others. After retiring from secular employment, he was ordained into the Episcopalian church. He died in peace with his faith. Our priests, Eastern Orthodox, are usually married. "Married clergy is one point of difference between the Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church. The Orthodox Church allows priests to marry, as long as they do so before their ordination. However, only celibate or unmarried priests can become bishops."
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Feb 26, 2020 17:28:25 GMT -5
I went to Catholic school for grades 1 -4. We went to mass, got our ashes and a good chunk of us immediately hit the restrooms when we got back and washed them off. We looked like the "load toner" one if we didn't scrub hard.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 26, 2020 17:44:46 GMT -5
A friend of mine left the Catholic priesthood in the 80s. He later married and had several children. Later on, divorced. He missed the religious life and spirirually helping others. After retiring from secular employment, he was ordained into the Episcopalian church. He died in peace with his faith. Our priests, Eastern Orthodox, are usually married. "Married clergy is one point of difference between the Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church. The Orthodox Church allows priests to marry, as long as they do so before their ordination. However, only celibate or unmarried priests can become bishops." Ken-a funny story about my friend the former priest. He was best friends with another guy who also happened to once be a priest. They became best friends in the seminary many years earlier. The friend who then became an Episcopalian minister/priest was white. His friend the other former priest was black. I was fortunate to have worked closely with both of them at one time or another and became good friends with them too. The black priest/friend also left the Catholic priesthood and got married/divorced and had kids of his own. After the two of them left the priesthood, and before they joined my employer, the two of them once drove down to North Carolina (from Connecticut) to visit the black friend's parents. Prior to arriving at the parents home, they stopped at a small town, black-owned, grocery store to pick up some groceries for the visit. After all the purchases were bagged up, the black friend told the white friend to take the groceries out to the car while he paid the bill. So while the black friend was paying for the groceries, the white friend picked up the bags and headed for the car. The black friend, a known joker, suddenly blurted out in front of the cashier and a few other employees, "Stop that white man. He's stealing my groceries." It may not sound so funny in print but to hear the two of them tell the story together was always funny. EDIT:I forgot to mention both former ptiests married former nuns.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 20:55:45 GMT -5
Many of our local churches offer drive-thru ashes. Seriously, this is very popular because you can get the ashes on your way to work.
As a long-time Episcopalian and former altar guild member, I can say a lot about the fine points of ashes. #1 please grind the ashes of the palm fronds finely-they aren't BBQ brickets. #2 please mix the ashes with a sufficient amount of oil to make the resulting mixture adhere to the forehead without flaking off and making the recipient look like they have a really bad case of blackheads. #3 please contain the palm frond burning or notify your local fire department
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 27, 2020 10:08:49 GMT -5
Religion is so weird.
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Post by teen persuasion on Feb 27, 2020 11:26:01 GMT -5
DH saw a joke online: Ladies, looking for a good Catholic guy? God is marking them for you today! Earlier in the week, a coworker asked me if I knew what was going on with my church's website. She was looking online for times for Ash Wed services, and the website was shut down. Back story here is that more than a decade ago the diocese merged lots of little parishes together in groups of 2-5 to form newly named parishes. Our was 3 sites merged to 1 parish, one site was closed and two still operate with a single priest. Last summer, our priest decided to switch to a different merged parish (whose priest was retiring), leaving us with zero priest. After many weeks of visiting missionary priests filling in, we were assigned to the priest of another merged parish just north of us, temporarily. So he was in charge of 2 parishes with 4 churches. Eventually the diocese just made it permanent, but gave him an assistant. We never know from week to week who will be there, or what will change (eliminate Extraordinary Ministers, sell off a building, change the way we say prayers, include chanting, ...) So the website going missing isn't surprising, but it's not a good look for dwindling church membership. If I saw any other business's website was shut down, I'd assume they were dead, out of business. I slipped into the Ash Wed service in my church halfway thru (was still working until then) to find ashes had already been distributed, and DS5 was pressed into service as altar server. After mass I tried to get a word with Fr. about the website (and got my ashes, as the organist got hers late, too). Cost too much money, he's trying to cut anything he can, when I explained about coworker looking for holy day mass times he said the site wouldn't have helped anyway because they couldn't change it, and no one was managing it anyway... I get that he's overwhelmed trying to manage a bunch of loosely connected, poor church communities, but it'll be managing them into the ground by cutting off any electronic connections. I may be volunteering to do this myself...
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Post by wvugurl26 on Feb 27, 2020 11:51:14 GMT -5
Would a Facebook page be simpler to manage? DH's family church is very good about online communications. My MIL grouses about it but the rest of us use it. It is helpful to see when the Mass times are and special events.
DH's niece is being confirmed in April. They have all the details up about that. It's helpful since he doesn't go regularly. We will attend for that.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 27, 2020 11:54:58 GMT -5
Several of the small churches here are using Facebook only for websites.
When the dying church I worked for was near it's end, we had a website and a Facebook page. Thankfully one of the parishioners had the password for the website because as soon as we were told the church was closing, the Pastor (only admin on Facebook) deleted the page.
The website was the only way the church council had of communicating with members. They did set up a private Facebook group to complain and discuss what was happening after the Pastor shut down the page.
The synod here said they would never put him in a church again after some of what went down. He went in to real estate but now has a church in another state.
In small church in this day and age, electronic communications are very important. I had all of the email addresses, so was able to give those to the President of the Church Council.
As things were getting weird before the official word, we had changed the password on the computer so the Pastor couldn't get on it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 14:49:48 GMT -5
I have no idea why you'd say that! (I hope this works- it's from 3 years ago as the palms from the previous year were burned into ashes. No idea why it's sideways. I get that he's overwhelmed trying to manage a bunch of loosely connected, poor church communities, but it'll be managing them into the ground by cutting off any electronic connections. I may be volunteering to do this myself... Yeah, I manage ours. The Diocese paid for a platform called Digital Faith and it's pretty good. I've seen my share of church sites where you had to wade through too many pages to find Christmas or Easter service schedules or they had pictures from last Christmas on the site in August. Most of the new people we've gotten have checked out our Web site first.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 27, 2020 15:43:32 GMT -5
I have no idea why you'd say that! (I hope this works- it's from 3 years ago as the palms from the previous year were burned into ashes. No idea why it's sideways. . Lol. Right as I was leaving church I watched some documentary where they were reading a Jesus based document and one guy said to the other "Who talks like that" and the guy answered "We do!" After that, I tried to evaluate church messaging and rituals through the eyes of someone who had never heard of any of it before and I realized how weird so much of it sounds. I kinda put all that to the side, but every once in a while something will pop up that I accepted no questions asked growing up, but now seems kinda crazy. 🙃
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