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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 11, 2020 9:49:15 GMT -5
In Louisiana as well Even though the U.S. Supreme Court has said it is unconstitutional, Louisiana still puts hundreds of people in prison every year just because they are too poor to pay court-ordered fines, court costs and costs of probation, according to a recent investigative report by the Louisiana chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union. theneworleanstribune.com/debtors-prisons-alive-and-well-in-louisiana/ |
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Post by swamp on Feb 11, 2020 10:03:23 GMT -5
I hate articles like this, it's so misleading.
They aren't being put in jail for failing to pay the debt, they are failing to respond to regular information subpoenas about their assets.
In GG's case, they are being put in jail for failure to comply with a condition of their sentence.
Both are still shitty practices that shouldn't happen, though.
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Post by dezii on Feb 11, 2020 10:19:38 GMT -5
I hate articles like this, it's so misleading. They aren't being put in jail for failing to pay the debt, they are failing to respond to regular information subpoenas about their assets. In GG's case, they are being put in jail for failure to comply with a condition of their sentence. Both are still shitty practices that shouldn't happen, though. "Both are still shitty practices that shouldn't happen, though."  …...also the fact, if they do appear, they are appearing without legal representation, {can't afford it} against trained legal prosecutors... That Kushner is involved in such practices doesn't surprise me...takes after the Donald and his father...back in their day...found guilty of discrimination against renting to blacks on their real estate buildings...Managers of such told to not rent to those folks...admitted it. |
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 11, 2020 10:27:20 GMT -5
I hate articles like this, it's so misleading. They aren't being put in jail for failing to pay the debt, they are failing to respond to regular information subpoenas about their assets. I n GG's case, they are being put in jail for failure to comply with a condition of their sentence. Both are still shitty practices that shouldn't happen, though. The "condition" is to pay court costs and fines that they don't have the money to pay for. So they are in prison for failing to pay money they don't have. I don't consider the title misleading. |
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Post by swamp on Feb 11, 2020 10:41:31 GMT -5
I hate articles like this, it's so misleading. They aren't being put in jail for failing to pay the debt, they are failing to respond to regular information subpoenas about their assets. I n GG's case, they are being put in jail for failure to comply with a condition of their sentence. Both are still shitty practices that shouldn't happen, though. The "condition" is to pay court costs and fines that they don't have the money to pay for. So they are in prison for failing to pay money they don't have. I don't consider the title misleading. I disagree, but meh, whatever. It's still a shitty practice. |
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 11, 2020 10:49:23 GMT -5
The "condition" is to pay court costs and fines that they don't have the money to pay for. So they are in prison for failing to pay money they don't have. I don't consider the title misleading. I disagree, but meh, whatever. It's still a shitty practice. On THAT, we can agree. |
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Post by busymom on Feb 11, 2020 11:01:54 GMT -5
I suspect they've gotten so poor, that they cannot afford to take time off from work to go to court. And, I totally agree that it's a sh*tty practice to punish someone for something they DON'T have.  |
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Post by swamp on Feb 11, 2020 11:03:24 GMT -5
I suspect they've gotten so poor, that they cannot afford to take time off from work to go to court. . If you want to collect the money, do yearly supoenas, not every few months. That's a great way for someone to lose their job. Also, lurk on Facebook, you find out all sorts of stuff that can help you collect, and it's much easier. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 11, 2020 13:13:59 GMT -5
Kushner is a slumlord. A 2017 investigation by ProPublica and The New York Times called "The Beleaguered Tenants of Kushnerville" detailed how a subsidiary of the real-estate firm Kushner Companies functioned and the poor living conditions that plagued residents in complexes bought under Kushner's oversight. The investigation reported decrepit conditions including leaking ceilings, maggots in living-room carpet, and raw human sewage coming from a kitchen sink. The report also includes mention of multiple retaliatory lawsuits against tenants who tried to move out. www.businessinsider.com/jared-kushner-baltimore-housing-projects-2019-7 |
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 11, 2020 23:16:42 GMT -5
Well ya, if you fail to appear, there will be a warrant issued. |
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Post by dondub on Feb 12, 2020 2:09:14 GMT -5
Well ya, if you fail to appear, there will be a warrant issued. . Darn. If it was only a subpoena he could ignore it. |
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Post by ednkris on Feb 12, 2020 9:19:20 GMT -5
Well ya, if you fail to appear, there will be a warrant issued. . Darn. If it was only a subpoena he could ignore it. Why can't he you can ignore anything. |
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Post by ednkris on Feb 12, 2020 9:20:20 GMT -5
So there being a real consequence to not paying your bills is a bad thing?
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Post by swamp on Feb 12, 2020 9:39:42 GMT -5
So there being a real consequence to not paying your bills is a bad thing? Going to jail is is bit excessive, don't you think? |
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 12, 2020 9:45:27 GMT -5
So there being a real consequence to not paying your bills is a bad thing? So throwing someone in jail because they don’t have the money to pay is fine? Now they lose their job and with it the possibility of being able to pay in the future. You think that is just ducky? |
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Post by ednkris on Feb 12, 2020 9:50:00 GMT -5
So there being a real consequence to not paying your bills is a bad thing? Going to jail is is bit excessive, don't you think? Sure for certain things. I just put the question out there. I personally think wage garnishment, judgments, liens, etc...don't work well. When someone who receives a service and don't pay for it, the person / entity who performed the service gets screwed. That is wrong there needs to be a real recourse for those victims. Although jail time just shifts more of the burden to the tax payers. |
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Post by swamp on Feb 12, 2020 9:51:41 GMT -5
So throwing someone in jail because they don’t have the money to pay is fine? Now they lose their job and with it the possibility of being able to pay in the future. You think that is just ducky? No one thinks it's 'ducky', but financial self responsibility applies to this. You simply don't buy things you can't afford. There are programs available for those who can't afford food and housing. do you let people die because they don't have health insurance. |
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Post by dezii on Feb 12, 2020 10:03:26 GMT -5
So there being a real consequence to not paying your bills is a bad thing? Going to jail is is bit excessive, don't you think? A bit, yeah....makes sense, spend peoples $ to incarcerate...keeps a worker from working and earning some $ and then there is the possibility of the incarcerated one being responsible for care , feeding and shelter for others..Say offspring, life partner, parents...possible reason incarcerated medical bills, food, shelter , nedicine were bills that had to be paid first leaving something not paid...thus incarceration.... I believe in the past incarceration for ever was the norm or deportation as bonded prisoners ...see Australia, New Zealand...early years of America...World pretty populated now so today thats impractical though the Soviets still had Siberia...Just saying. Though I believe there are folks here who would push out their chests, flex their muscles and croak out the tune  "macho man" ...bring all that back...they deserve it...need to uphold the system....Just saying.  |
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Post by swamp on Feb 12, 2020 12:55:18 GMT -5
do you let people die because they don't have health insurance. Medicaid is in effect and covers anyone that qualifies due to financial hardship. Not really. You can be just above the income amount and not qualify. If the income qualification is $20,000 and I make $21,000, it doesn't mean I'm rich, it means I can't pay my medical bills. there are also things medicaid won't cover, like travel expenses. Not everyone has the medical facilities locally. |
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Post by tcu2003 on Feb 12, 2020 18:37:49 GMT -5
do you let people die because they don't have health insurance. Medicaid is in effect and covers anyone that qualifies due to financial hardship. But it doesn’t, because Kansas and the conservative legislature refuse to pass expanded Medicaid. And when they did manage to get it through, our past scumbag governor vetoed it and there weren’t enough votes to override the veto. Now that we have a governor in place who would happily sign it, our sickly president of the state senate won’t even allow it to come up for a vote because she’s holding it hostage. So no, Medicaid doesn’t cover everyone in Kansas with a financial hardship. It’s also cost lost jobs as several rural hospitals in the state have closed, largely because of lack of expanded Medicaid. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 12, 2020 18:50:19 GMT -5
Medicaid is in effect and covers anyone that qualifies due to financial hardship. Not really. You can be just above the income amount and not qualify. If the income qualification is $20,000 and I make $21,000, it doesn't mean I'm rich, it means I can't pay my medical bills. there are also things medicaid won't cover, like travel expenses. Not everyone has the medical facilities locally. I worked in palliative care in the US. The people were dying because they were thrown off their insurance after paying deductibles for many years, or couldn't get insurance or couldn't afford insurance. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 12, 2020 18:52:03 GMT -5
So there being a real consequence to not paying your bills is a bad thing? Didn't seem to hurt Trump any.... He never paid his bills. |
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 13, 2020 13:42:57 GMT -5
So there being a real consequence to not paying your bills is a bad thing? Didn't seem to hurt Trump any.... He never paid his bills. Well, like those debtors in Kansas he is being provided with free government housing. Fits right in with his persecution complex and his tendency to dismiss others distress (just some soldiers with headaches - no big deal → talking about over 100 service wo/men with TBIs)  |
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