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Post by mmhmm on Feb 12, 2020 11:16:57 GMT -5
Excuse me? Haven't you figured out by now you don't have a clue whether a given area is a sacred burial ground? Assume what you like in your ignorance; however, that "piss ant hill" may have been the resting place for people's sacred ancestors. It's meaningful to them even if it isn't to you. It's not all about you. Interesting, since I was talking to my part Cherokee Indian friend, I said about the the Indians "fabricating" sacred Indian sites,
He laughed said you bet they do! Irrelevant. Your "part Cherokee friend" is not the be-all end-all either. I'm from Oklahoma and was freaking surrounded by Cherokee (and several other tribes). That didn't give me special knowledge of Indian burial sites and none of the Indians I knew would have assumed they knew all about the sacred sites of their nation, much less other nations. Stay in your lane.
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 12, 2020 11:18:28 GMT -5
Nothing gets in their way when they build the Casinos does it!! Tribe does not allow drinking on the reservation?? It's just fine in the casino.
No gambling allowed on the reservation,, but hey,, It is fine in the casino! Funny how the sacred thing works!
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 12, 2020 11:21:54 GMT -5
Nothing gets in their way when they build the Casinos does it!! Tribe does not allow drinking on the reservation?? It's just fine in the casino.
No gambling allowed on the reservation,, but hey,, It is fine in the casino! Funny how the sacred thing works!
Again, you have no idea whether any of those casinos have been built on sacred ground. Additionally, not only Indians go to casinos. Those establishments are built and operated legally and to serve all clients. What is done on the reservations has nothing to do with that. Keep your cynicism for things you actually know something about.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 12, 2020 11:27:43 GMT -5
Trump and Co seem to thrive on cruelty.
much like the many fascist regimes of the past.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 12, 2020 11:33:15 GMT -5
So one part Cherokee guy speaks for ALL Native Americans but white male shooters don't represent all white men so please don't put us in a box.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 12, 2020 11:54:59 GMT -5
you keep repeating that canard about burial sites and casinos.
I know of no casinos that were built on burial sites.
so, prove it.
otherwise, we are going to assume you are just making shit up.
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Post by dondub on Feb 12, 2020 12:18:52 GMT -5
Not that again.
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Post by hurley1980 on Feb 12, 2020 14:14:58 GMT -5
So one part Cherokee guy speaks for ALL Native Americans but white male shooters don't represent all white men so please don't put us in a box. Don't forget he also has that one black friend that agrees with him on whatever black thing he's bitching about!
OC always seems to know one specific minority to back up his bullshit story. I find that really hard to believe.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 12, 2020 15:36:19 GMT -5
Everyone has their own opinions. However it's only when it's a minority in this country that people take that ONE person as a representative of the entire said minority.
If you try to lump white men together you are being "reverse racist" and shouldn't be lumping all people into the same category.
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Post by dezii on Feb 12, 2020 17:03:25 GMT -5
Who cares about thousands of years of history when it can help someone get 4 more years in the White House. The destruction of these historic sites remind me of the Taliban destroying those tall statues of the Buddha's in Afghanistan...Stood there for centuries...now there no more.
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Post by dezii on Feb 12, 2020 17:12:56 GMT -5
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Post by dezii on Feb 12, 2020 17:18:06 GMT -5
So one part Cherokee guy speaks for ALL Native Americans but white male shooters don't represent all white men so please don't put us in a box. Don't forget he also has that one black friend that agrees with him on whatever black thing he's bitching about!
OC always seems to know one specific minority to back up his bullshit story. I find that really hard to believe.
It's a self admitted Troll....truth is something left under the bridge...irrelevant to his arguments on anything...
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 12, 2020 17:24:38 GMT -5
So one part Cherokee guy speaks for ALL Native Americans but white male shooters don't represent all white men so please don't put us in a box. Don't forget he also has that one black friend that agrees with him on whatever black thing he's bitching about!
OC always seems to know one specific minority to back up his bullshit story. I find that really hard to believe.
Let's not forget the one Latina family member.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 12, 2020 17:37:32 GMT -5
I am glad to see that someone is remembering what was once there in Bamiyan, Afghanistan. But a 3-D light display will not bring back one of only two Afghanistan World Heritage sites that was once the Bamiyan buddhas. UNESCO World Heritage Sites In Afghanistan
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Post by dezii on Feb 12, 2020 17:46:22 GMT -5
I am glad to see that someone is remembering what was once there in Bamiyan, Afghanistan. But a 3-D light display will not bring back one of only two Afghanistan World Heritage sites that was once the Bamiyan buddhas. UNESCO World Heritage Sites In AfghanistanAgree
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 12, 2020 18:10:14 GMT -5
I am glad to see that someone is remembering what was once there in Bamiyan, Afghanistan. But a 3-D light display will not bring back one of only two Afghanistan World Heritage sites that was once the Bamiyan buddhas. UNESCO World Heritage Sites In AfghanistanA 3-D projection doesn't hold a candle to something which has stood there since 507 AD.
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Post by hoops902 on Feb 13, 2020 11:52:37 GMT -5
You can't convince me that anyone here wouldn't be livid if the government ran a bulldozer through a cemetery that your own family members were laid to rest. It wouldn't matter if it was your parents, grandparents, or others further up your family tree. Those areas should always be left alone. Yes, they ARE sacred to living family members. Not that I'm going to try to convince you necessarily, and this isn't even a commentary on whether OTHER people have a right to view them as sacred, but I personally wouldn't give a shit if you dug up my dead relatives and re-enacted a classic waltz with their bones. They aren't alive, it's just remains, there's nothing special about them. I'm not offended if someone dies and you want to toss them in a ditch to fertilize the earth.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 13, 2020 12:50:55 GMT -5
You can't convince me that anyone here wouldn't be livid if the government ran a bulldozer through a cemetery that your own family members were laid to rest. It wouldn't matter if it was your parents, grandparents, or others further up your family tree. Those areas should always be left alone. Yes, they ARE sacred to living family members. Not that I'm going to try to convince you necessarily, and this isn't even a commentary on whether OTHER people have a right to view them as sacred, but I personally wouldn't give a shit if you dug up my dead relatives and re-enacted a classic waltz with their bones. They aren't alive, it's just remains, there's nothing special about them. I'm not offended if someone dies and you want to toss them in a ditch to fertilize the earth. I am kinda with you here. How we bury people is gross. Completely empty them and then pump them full of chemicals, dress them up as dolls and put them in an extraordinarily expensive and ornate box and then put that in a cement vault and then cover it with grass. Yuck. I don't want to be embalmed. I dont want anyone to buy a $20k box. I dont want someone to spend tens of thousands on a plot. Seriously - burn me and be done. You dont have to keep my ashes, or spread them or whatever. You can flush them. Just pay the funeral industry as little as possible. Why isn't embalming considered abuse of a corpse? It is disgusting.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 13, 2020 12:54:22 GMT -5
So one part Cherokee guy speaks for ALL Native Americans but white male shooters don't represent all white men so please don't put us in a box. Don't forget he also has that one black friend that agrees with him on whatever black thing he's bitching about!
OC always seems to know one specific minority to back up his bullshit story. I find that really hard to believe.
it must be great having a carefully cultivated group of friends to support you in your delusions.
mine always tell me how I have it wrong. I guess that means they don't love me.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 13, 2020 12:56:59 GMT -5
He also knows people that killed themselves, therefore he knows everything about suicide.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 13, 2020 12:58:47 GMT -5
You can't convince me that anyone here wouldn't be livid if the government ran a bulldozer through a cemetery that your own family members were laid to rest. It wouldn't matter if it was your parents, grandparents, or others further up your family tree. Those areas should always be left alone. Yes, they ARE sacred to living family members. Not that I'm going to try to convince you necessarily, and this isn't even a commentary on whether OTHER people have a right to view them as sacred, but I personally wouldn't give a shit if you dug up my dead relatives and re-enacted a classic waltz with their bones. They aren't alive, it's just remains, there's nothing special about them. I'm not offended if someone dies and you want to toss them in a ditch to fertilize the earth. If one of the dead were your child who died young, would you feel the same?
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Post by hoops902 on Feb 13, 2020 13:20:01 GMT -5
Not that I'm going to try to convince you necessarily, and this isn't even a commentary on whether OTHER people have a right to view them as sacred, but I personally wouldn't give a shit if you dug up my dead relatives and re-enacted a classic waltz with their bones. They aren't alive, it's just remains, there's nothing special about them. I'm not offended if someone dies and you want to toss them in a ditch to fertilize the earth. If one of the dead were your child who died young, would you feel the same? Yes. It doesn't mean I wouldn't want to see them one last time right after they died for some closure, and it doesn't mean I wouldn't want some kind of service/funeral, but I don't have any need for their former body.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 13, 2020 16:15:48 GMT -5
If one of the dead were your child who died young, would you feel the same? Yes. It doesn't mean I wouldn't want to see them one last time right after they died for some closure, and it doesn't mean I wouldn't want some kind of service/funeral, but I don't have any need for their former body. You will not know that is fact until it should happen to you. You might change your mind after that.
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Post by hoops902 on Feb 13, 2020 17:22:30 GMT -5
Yes. It doesn't mean I wouldn't want to see them one last time right after they died for some closure, and it doesn't mean I wouldn't want some kind of service/funeral, but I don't have any need for their former body. You will not know that is fact until it should happen to you. You might change your mind after that. You asked the question, the only thing I can do is answer. None of us know anything until it happens. None of us know if we might murder our own kids until the day we die having not done it. By your line of logic, any question of "would you" is 100% hypothetical until after the fact (which is fine, but then it's meaningless to ask the question if that's also your logic knowing that any answer cannot be known really). I agree with your logic, you can't actually know, but once you ask the question you're opening yourself up to the best answer someone can honestly give. I can only answer based on having kids, mentally putting myself in that situation, and trying to decipher whether that would change the stance that I've had my entire life that dead bodies/remains are as meaningless as leftover chicken bones from dinner. It didn't change when anyone I've ever known has died.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 13, 2020 18:16:35 GMT -5
I'm just speaking for myself. As a genealogist, I spend quite a bit of time in cemeteries. I photograph tombstones, look at where people are buried in relationship to each other. I find them peaceful places full of stories. Every tombstone is a story.
There is one (my great aunt). Next to it are 17 - 17!!!!! tiny tombstones. Each one dated one year after the other. Her oldest child became a doctor. He once told a cousin that he wanted to be a doctor to learn why his mother had all those dead babies. The family guess is that she was RH negative; it seems to run in the family.
Anyway, I'd be distressed beyond words if that peaceful little cemetery where my mother, all four grandparents, six great-grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins are all buried - if some asshole blew it up.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 13, 2020 23:19:00 GMT -5
Native American burial sites in Arizona have been blown up by construction crews building the US-Mexico border wall, according to lawmakers and tribal leaders.Authorities confirmed that "controlled blasting" has begun in Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument, a Unesco recognised natural reserve. Raul Grijalva, a Democrat congressman, called the destruction "sacrilegious". The government failed to consult the Tohono O'odham Nation, he said. Environmental groups also warn of the damage being done to the local underground aquifer, as well as to migrating wildlife in the remote desert region about 115 miles (185km) west of Tucson. In their bid to build the wall, the White House has waived dozens of laws - including ones that protected Native American graves, endangered species, and the environment. www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51449739 Are your natives just going to take it? Do nothing? Ours have shut down national rail lines in protest against the pipeline. globalnews.ca/news/6541014/cn-rail-shut-down-pipeline-protest/
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