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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 17, 2020 18:17:42 GMT -5
Does anyone know if it's a person doing the captioning, or is it a computer algorithm? I started to watch CC TV because I'm deaf, and the mistakes are horrific. Here are some examples......
The storm is expected to dufferin snow. The winds are malkeke. The Tort Us was successful in propagating. Celine Dion's beloved mother died. She was a sewer of inspiration. Three American airports right-nosed.
WTF?
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Post by Happy prose on Jan 17, 2020 18:37:12 GMT -5
That's what my text messages look like when I talk to text!
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jan 17, 2020 20:55:37 GMT -5
Captions are pretty amusing and/or horrifically done sometimes. Theoretically a person is doing the captions, but sometimes I wonder if they are using speech to text software because it is so bad. The software costs less than hiring a person to do the process. The system a person uses is much the same as what a court reporter uses. I have been to hearing loss meetings where they have a person captioning the meeting to a large screen (CART service).
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Post by oped on Jan 17, 2020 20:58:11 GMT -5
We watch closed captioning all the time... I find it to be pretty accurate... I hate when sometimes it is 'off' the voices though.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 17, 2020 21:12:01 GMT -5
Captions are pretty amusing and/or horrifically done sometimes. Theoretically a person is doing the captions, but sometimes I wonder if they are using speech to text software because it is so bad. The software costs less than hiring a person to do the process. The system a person uses is much the same as what a court reporter uses. I have been to hearing loss meetings where they have a person captioning the meeting to a large screen (CART service). The last one was "Beet juice is dimming, but nobody knows why." It's supposed to be the star, Betelgeuse. I thought I was confused before, when I couldn't hear it.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jan 18, 2020 4:11:37 GMT -5
Using a caption phone can be an interesting mental exercise as well. The one I use is a voice recognition, but there is a person that monitors the call to make spelling corrections. Making a call is frustrating though, because like watching live TV, there is a lag between the person speaking on the other end of the line and what shows on screen.
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Post by alabamagal on Jan 18, 2020 4:15:01 GMT -5
My dad has severe hearing loss and has a one cochlear implant that is pretty good with voices, but he can’t hear tv or phone conversations so we do CC tv all the time.
Live broadcasts are done by computer, some with a live person correcting it. And it depends on the budget for the broadcast if they have correction. We watch a lot of sports, and you can see the corrections live, especially with names, although they have names pre-coded in. My brother works for small city news and they do not have live correction, but do when they put on website.
Pre-recorded shows and commercials have cc coded in. The cc is real time with the audio.
Do you use any other technology aids? My mom is always trying to get my dad to use some. He became deaf late in life. She finally got him to use an iPhone for the translate feature and can use it to connect to his implant so he can talk on the phone. Before that, texting was all he could do and he resisted that for a while. Last Father’s Day I was able to talk to my dad on the phone for the first time in 20 years.
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Post by Anne_in_VA on Jan 18, 2020 9:34:26 GMT -5
DH has severe hearing loss and uses hearing aids but can’t hear tv unless it’s up really loud or we use captions. I make him turn it down when captions are on. We do end up turning them off during the news because of the lag between the spoken word and the captions. It’s really funny to see some of the captioned news stories though. They always mess up certain words and phrases.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jan 18, 2020 9:46:50 GMT -5
Speech to text technology is really only as good as the speaker. alabamagal was your inquiry about technology aids addressed to me?
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Post by mroped on Jan 18, 2020 10:00:00 GMT -5
I cannot watch television without CC. That’s how I grew up, got used to it. Im watching a lot of miniseries(soap operas sometimes) that are foreign made. Right now I’m watching a Japanese series. Most of them have mistakes in translations but is mostly of a grammar nature. Once in a great while there is something that doesn’t make sense but I just blow past it. I’ve noticed while watching French movies that the translation in English is not always accurate. Or when there is a scene where the characters speak or attempt to speak Romanian. In that case specifically, 90%of the time they are way off base.
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Post by empress of self-improvement on Jan 18, 2020 10:10:59 GMT -5
Same here with CC always being on. It is never turned off on my tv. I have no clue what is being said without it. I hate watching tv at other people's because they don't have it on. I just hate watching the news because I have to see a person speaking in order to hear them and that is not always the case. Of course, having my 52-year old teenager over here watching who knows what on Youtube on his phone with the volume cranked doesn't help me!!!
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Post by teen persuasion on Jan 18, 2020 11:23:39 GMT -5
I've grown reliant on having the CC on the tv all the time. I just can't quite catch everything that was said, especially in movies with really quiet dialog.
Pre-recorded shows usually have the best CC, as it's added afterwards. Local tv news CC seems to be their teleprompter, but live dialog is often not covered. The teleprompter feed has stupid typos that I laugh at, and it often runs at its own speed with no connection to the stories running (fast, or slow). That's frustrating.
National news shows seem to have real time captioning, which is often good, but can have some funny phonetic-ish swapping of terms. I've often wondered how the deaf make sense of that gibberish.
Trying to watch videos or clips on Twitter on work computers is frustrating. We have speakers disabled, and most news video clips have zero captioning, and no transcript. A few allow auto-captions (computer generated), which is better than nothing, but pretty hit-and-miss phonetically.
I've seen a lot of homophone errors in online writing and in e-books. Nobody would type "staid home" for "stayed home", I don't think most people have even seen the word "staid". I realized it's probably people using speech to text.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 18, 2020 11:59:09 GMT -5
DH has severe hearing loss and uses hearing aids but can’t hear tv unless it’s up really loud or we use captions. I make him turn it down when captions are on. We do end up turning them off during the news because of the lag between the spoken word and the captions. It’s really funny to see some of the captioned news stories though. They always mess up certain words and phrases. We got ISO headphones. He can put it up as loud as he needs without blasting the rest of us out of the house.
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Post by Anne_in_VA on Jan 18, 2020 17:51:22 GMT -5
DH has severe hearing loss and uses hearing aids but can’t hear tv unless it’s up really loud or we use captions. I make him turn it down when captions are on. We do end up turning them off during the news because of the lag between the spoken word and the captions. It’s really funny to see some of the captioned news stories though. They always mess up certain words and phrases. We got ISO headphones. He can put it up as loud as he needs without blasting the rest of us out of the house. We have those too, but he doesn’t use them.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 18, 2020 19:02:42 GMT -5
They were talking about a band that was playing a benefit to raise money for Australia's wildlife. One of the musicians had a heart attack and collapsed. The CC said that a bystander saved his jive with CPR
Well, I suppose that also works.........
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 19, 2020 12:33:44 GMT -5
CNN's closed captioning often referred to someone called Kneal Gorsuch. Some innovative company can't program in names that are currently in the news? It wouldn't seem that hard to have a small staff that says 'Hey, they just submitted a nomination for SCOTUS - let's make sure his name is spelled right cause they are going to talk about him for 2 weeks straight.
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Post by mroped on Jan 19, 2020 13:54:44 GMT -5
CNN's closed captioning often referred to someone called Kneal Gorsuch. Some innovative company can't program in names that are currently in the news? It wouldn't seem that hard to have a small staff that says 'Hey, they just submitted a nomination for SCOTUS - let's make sure his name is spelled right cause they are going to talk about him for 2 weeks straight. I’m just assuming here but might be the case where CC job is “subcontracted” to the lowest bidder?!🙈
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 19, 2020 16:34:35 GMT -5
CNN's closed captioning often referred to someone called Kneal Gorsuch. Some innovative company can't program in names that are currently in the news? It wouldn't seem that hard to have a small staff that says 'Hey, they just submitted a nomination for SCOTUS - let's make sure his name is spelled right cause they are going to talk about him for 2 weeks straight. I’m just assuming here but might be the case where CC job is “subcontracted” to the lowest bidder?!🙈 Quote by former astronaut and U.S. senator John Glenn:
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Post by mroped on Jan 19, 2020 17:10:09 GMT -5
They used that line in Armageddon!
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 20, 2020 8:45:14 GMT -5
I think it's pretty clear when it is a person doing it in real-time...because there are so many spelling mistakes a computer would never (theoretically) just plop in something that's not a real word.
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