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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 9, 2020 22:24:28 GMT -5
If it was 176 dead Americans you guys would be flipping out. How are you going to get along in the world without Allies? Do you really think you can get along all on your lonesome? Or do you think Russia and North Korea are going to to be your new best friends?
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 9, 2020 23:41:17 GMT -5
Get off your kick blaming Trump, put the blame where squarely belongs, with the Iranians!!
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Post by dezii on Jan 10, 2020 0:24:15 GMT -5
Get off your kick blaming Trump, put the blame where squarely belongs, with the Iranians!! I firmly believe the Donald was offered by his military people while at his resort in Florida that there was a good chance US forces could take out the Iranian General and possible other like folks... With out going to his top military and State Dept advisers for their feelings, possible problems arising from such action, he just gave order to carry out the attack. I understand he was upset because a American contractor was killed when Iranian surrogates attacked a area in Iraq. I am sorry that happened but to be honest, as one in charge of fellow grunts who had to police battle areas and put together the remains of fellow grunts...the loss of one contractor, while regrettable...this was a decision the contractor made...earned great deal of $...and yes there are risks for those who are doing that work. I would have known that we would have a problem with Iraq...attacking anyone with no consultation, heads up on their soil...Remember how Pakistan was so upset with us when we took out Ben Laden...How we would react if allies did anything similar on our soil with out any consultation. Our leaders would go ape shit....u know it. So now their PM under great pressure to do what their elected congressional people have unofficially voted to have the US AND Iranian folks to leave the country....and our President threatens this supposedly ally with great terrible sanctions, the country where over 4000 Americans died...we spent almost a TRILLION $ on... and no , I don't believe there was any intelligence of the Iranian General in deep new talks about planning special attacks...beyond the SOP of planning negative what ever against US interests when ever he was in company of his people... Trump pulls out of nuclear deal that all our allies where on board with...stopped Iranian work on a nuclear weapon for 10 years...at least...Allies who were monitoring Iran compliance of the treaty, all say, Iranians were in compliance...Trump put sanctions on the country...not being a international lawyer but I am thinking that is illegal...a war crime because of the hurt on civilians in Iran...and strong armed our allies to go along with his actions, on sanctions, basically go along with us or suffer the consequences...Great way to make, keep friends and influence people. To put it all on the Iranians as u seem to want to do...and none on the Donald..{no surprise there } does not register with me...in fact as usual ...your wrong.....again.
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Post by dondub on Jan 10, 2020 1:28:21 GMT -5
Get off your kick blaming Trump, put the blame where squarely belongs, with the Iranians!! Mossedagh and a 5000 year Persian history.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 10, 2020 8:47:53 GMT -5
Get off your kick blaming Trump, put the blame where squarely belongs, with the Iranians!! Don't kid yourself, we all know that Trump is HUGELY responsible for this. I'm really surprised you like the idea of trading a President for a Supreme Leader. Enjoy yourself comrade.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jan 10, 2020 8:51:49 GMT -5
Yes they (The Iranians) have struck the plane with a missile..... probably accidently..... but of course they have done it. Someone has left the defenses switched on. It amazes me that they are wriggling about saying its got nothing to do with them.
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Post by ednkris on Jan 10, 2020 9:01:38 GMT -5
Get off your kick blaming Trump, put the blame where squarely belongs, with the Iranians!! I firmly believe the Donald was offered by his military people while at his resort in Florida that there was a good chance US forces could take out the Iranian General and possible other like folks... With out going to his top military and State Dept advisers for their feelings, possible problems arising from such action, he just gave order to carry out the attack. I understand he was upset because a American contractor was killed when Iranian surrogates attacked a area in Iraq. I am sorry that happened but to be honest, as one in charge of fellow grunts who had to police battle areas and put together the remains of fellow grunts...the loss of one contractor, while regrettable...this was a decision the contractor made...earned great deal of $...and yes there are risks for those who are doing that work. I would have known that we would have a problem with Iraq...attacking anyone with no consultation, heads up on their soil...Remember how Pakistan was so upset with us when we took out Ben Laden...How we would react if allies did anything similar on our soil with out any consultation. Our leaders would go ape shit....u know it. So now their PM under great pressure to do what their elected congressional people have unofficially voted to have the US AND Iranian folks to leave the country....and our President threatens this supposedly ally with great terrible sanctions, the country where over 4000 Americans died...we spent almost a TRILLION $ on... and no , I don't believe there was any intelligence of the Iranian General in deep new talks about planning special attacks...beyond the SOP of planning negative what ever against US interests when ever he was in company of his people... Trump pulls out of nuclear deal that all our allies where on board with...stopped Iranian work on a nuclear weapon for 10 years...at least...Allies who were monitoring Iran compliance of the treaty, all say, Iranians were in compliance...Trump put sanctions on the country...not being a international lawyer but I am thinking that is illegal...a war crime because of the hurt on civilians in Iran...and strong armed our allies to go along with his actions, on sanctions, basically go along with us or suffer the consequences...Great way to make, keep friends and influence people. To put it all on the Iranians as u seem to want to do...and none on the Donald..{no surprise there } does not register with me...in fact as usual ...your wrong.....again. We need to take a strong stance that if just one American dies from another country military actions then that whole country has a strong chance of becoming a parking lot period.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 10, 2020 9:06:16 GMT -5
I firmly believe the Donald was offered by his military people while at his resort in Florida that there was a good chance US forces could take out the Iranian General and possible other like folks... With out going to his top military and State Dept advisers for their feelings, possible problems arising from such action, he just gave order to carry out the attack. We need to take a strong stance that if just one American dies from another country military actions then that whole country has a strong chance of becoming a parking lot period. Enjoy your war
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 10, 2020 9:29:25 GMT -5
Get off your kick blaming Trump, put the blame where squarely belongs, with the Iranians!! Don't kid yourself, we all know that Trump is HUGELY responsible for this. I'm really surprised you like the idea of trading a President for a Supreme Leader. Enjoy yourself comrade. Blame Iran for this, it was their missile crew that blew the aircraft out of the air, Not Trump!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 10, 2020 9:30:54 GMT -5
I firmly believe the Donald was offered by his military people while at his resort in Florida that there was a good chance US forces could take out the Iranian General and possible other like folks... With out going to his top military and State Dept advisers for their feelings, possible problems arising from such action, he just gave order to carry out the attack. I understand he was upset because a American contractor was killed when Iranian surrogates attacked a area in Iraq. I am sorry that happened but to be honest, as one in charge of fellow grunts who had to police battle areas and put together the remains of fellow grunts...the loss of one contractor, while regrettable...this was a decision the contractor made...earned great deal of $...and yes there are risks for those who are doing that work. I would have known that we would have a problem with Iraq...attacking anyone with no consultation, heads up on their soil...Remember how Pakistan was so upset with us when we took out Ben Laden...How we would react if allies did anything similar on our soil with out any consultation. Our leaders would go ape shit....u know it. So now their PM under great pressure to do what their elected congressional people have unofficially voted to have the US AND Iranian folks to leave the country....and our President threatens this supposedly ally with great terrible sanctions, the country where over 4000 Americans died...we spent almost a TRILLION $ on... and no , I don't believe there was any intelligence of the Iranian General in deep new talks about planning special attacks...beyond the SOP of planning negative what ever against US interests when ever he was in company of his people... Trump pulls out of nuclear deal that all our allies where on board with...stopped Iranian work on a nuclear weapon for 10 years...at least...Allies who were monitoring Iran compliance of the treaty, all say, Iranians were in compliance...Trump put sanctions on the country...not being a international lawyer but I am thinking that is illegal...a war crime because of the hurt on civilians in Iran...and strong armed our allies to go along with his actions, on sanctions, basically go along with us or suffer the consequences...Great way to make, keep friends and influence people. To put it all on the Iranians as u seem to want to do...and none on the Donald..{no surprise there } does not register with me...in fact as usual ...your wrong.....again. We need to take a strong stance that if just one American dies from another country military actions then that whole country has a strong chance of becoming a parking lot period. And maybe had George W. Bush not invaded Iraq in 2003 using bogus information to justify the war on Iraq, there wouldn't have been 4,424 U.S. deaths and thousands upon thousands of innocent Iraqi civilian deaths. Actions have consequences. Casualties of the Iraq War
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 10, 2020 9:32:02 GMT -5
Driving home to day, have a wreck,, it will be Trump fault!! cause his name keeps popping in the media that you listen to.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 10, 2020 9:33:31 GMT -5
We need to take a strong stance that if just one American dies from another country military actions then that whole country has a strong chance of becoming a parking lot period. And maybe had George W. Bush not invaded Iraq in 2003 using bogus information to justify the war on Iraq, there wouldn't have been 4,424 U.S. deaths and thousands upon thousands of innocent Iraqi civilian deaths. Actions have consequences. Casualties of the Iraq WarMaybe Japan should not have bombed Pearl Harbor,, if we are dredging up history!
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 10, 2020 9:36:26 GMT -5
Don't kid yourself, we all know that Trump is HUGELY responsible for this. I'm really surprised you like the idea of trading a President for a Supreme Leader. Enjoy yourself comrade. Blame Iran for this, it was their missile crew that blew the aircraft out of the air, Not Trump! Your president is an idiot. He instigated this because of ego. You should start practicing "Yes Supreme Leader". Or do you already have it down? Do you have a special salute that goes with that?
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 10, 2020 9:38:09 GMT -5
Or has he decided to go by "The Chosen One"?
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 10, 2020 9:39:01 GMT -5
Any second now the Iranian National anthem is going to strike up!!
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Post by ednkris on Jan 10, 2020 9:39:54 GMT -5
And maybe had George W. Bush not invaded Iraq in 2003 using bogus information to justify the war on Iraq, there wouldn't have been 4,424 U.S. deaths and thousands upon thousands of innocent Iraqi civilian deaths. Actions have consequences. Casualties of the Iraq WarMaybe Japan should not have bombed Pearl Harbor,, if we are dredging up history! it's almost useless to have a normal rational debate here....raining today trumps fault, dog farted trumps fault, some meanie looked at me wrong its trumps fault....unreal....they rather have an ass kissing, apologetic country then one to be looked up to revered, feared. I think the last administration did nothing but help produce weak, pathetic, whining babies
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Post by ednkris on Jan 10, 2020 9:40:36 GMT -5
Or has he decided to go by "The Chosen One"? we he is, isn't he
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 10, 2020 9:42:16 GMT -5
Maybe Japan should not have bombed Pearl Harbor,, if we are dredging up history! it's almost useless to have a normal rational debate here....raining today trumps fault, dog farted trumps fault, some meanie looked at me wrong its trumps fault....unreal....they rather have an ass kissing, apologetic country then one to be looked up to revered, feared. I think the last administration did nothing but help produce weak, pathetic, whining babies LOL at troll #1 Old Coyote and troll #2 Ednkris.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 10, 2020 9:42:45 GMT -5
Or has he decided to go by "The Chosen One"? we he is, isn't he
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 10, 2020 9:43:33 GMT -5
Or has he decided to go by "The Chosen One"? we he is, isn't he So how do you do that? Is it "Heil Trump" with the heel clicking?
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 10, 2020 9:45:11 GMT -5
Maybe Japan should not have bombed Pearl Harbor,, if we are dredging up history! it's almost useless to have a normal rational debate here....raining today trumps fault, dog farted trumps fault, some meanie looked at me wrong its trumps fault....unreal....they rather have an ass kissing, apologetic country then one to be looked up to revered, feared. I think the last administration did nothing but help produce weak, pathetic, whining babies So you like being at war?
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Post by ednkris on Jan 10, 2020 9:53:20 GMT -5
it's almost useless to have a normal rational debate here....raining today trumps fault, dog farted trumps fault, some meanie looked at me wrong its trumps fault....unreal....they rather have an ass kissing, apologetic country then one to be looked up to revered, feared. I think the last administration did nothing but help produce weak, pathetic, whining babies LOL at troll #1 Old Coyote and troll #2 Ednkris. coming from you that is compliment
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Post by dezii on Jan 10, 2020 9:53:58 GMT -5
it's almost useless to have a normal rational debate here....raining today trumps fault, dog farted trumps fault, some meanie looked at me wrong its trumps fault....unreal....they rather have an ass kissing, apologetic country then one to be looked up to revered, feared. I think the last administration did nothing but help produce weak, pathetic, whining babies LOL at troll #1 Old Coyote and troll #2 Ednkris. ……………………...
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 10, 2020 9:54:22 GMT -5
LOL at troll #1 Old Coyote and troll #2 Ednkris. coming from you that is compliment
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 10, 2020 10:00:01 GMT -5
Iran admits it had not abided by the treaty, Who knows what other thing they did not abide to. In May 2019, the IAEA certified that Iran was abiding by the main terms of the deal, though questions were raised about how many advanced centrifuges Iran was allowed to have, as that was only loosely defined in the deal.[18]
On 1 July 2019, Iran announced that it had breached the limit set on its stockpile of low-enriched uranium,[19] which the IAEA confirmed.[20]
Remember they were given billions and billions of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to abide, they did not!
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Post by ednkris on Jan 10, 2020 10:08:31 GMT -5
Iran admits it had not abided by the treaty, Who knows what other thing they did not abide to. In May 2019, the IAEA certified that Iran was abiding by the main terms of the deal, though questions were raised about how many advanced centrifuges Iran was allowed to have, as that was only loosely defined in the deal.[18]
On 1 July 2019, Iran announced that it had breached the limit set on its stockpile of low-enriched uranium,[19] which the IAEA confirmed.[20]
Remember they were given billions and billions of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to abide, they did not!
No one cares that their icon Obama had his lips glued to Iran's ass.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 10, 2020 10:32:17 GMT -5
Driving home to day, have a wreck,, it will be Trump fault!! cause his name keeps popping in the media that you listen to. Do you honestly, in your deepest parts, with all your intelligence and all your heart believe that Trump's foreign policy decisions did not play a role in this?
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 10, 2020 10:37:48 GMT -5
No one cares that their icon Obama had his lips glued to Iran's ass. You're right, when 63 Canadians get killed in 2020 I do not care what you think Obama was doing in 2016. I care what Trump did to instigate those deaths in 2020.
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Post by dezii on Jan 10, 2020 10:38:24 GMT -5
Iran admits it had not abided by the treaty, Who knows what other thing they did not abide to. In May 2019, the IAEA certified that Iran was abiding by the main terms of the deal, though questions were raised about how many advanced centrifuges Iran was allowed to have, as that was only loosely defined in the deal.[18]
On 1 July 2019, Iran announced that it had breached the limit set on its stockpile of low-enriched uranium,[19] which the IAEA confirmed.[20]
Remember they were given billions and billions of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to abide, they did not!
No one cares that their icon Obama had his lips glued to Iran's ass. like his detractors like to forget what kind of economic difficulties he faced when he took office, I believe that the worlds economist , from both sides, where pretty much agreed we were not only on the way to a full depression, at the times just as one example...GM, Ford, Chrysler were bankrupt...also regarding Iran, it was also suggested that they were not that far from developing the nuclear weapon...ande it was not just Israel calling the alarm...so he, Obama and his people was able to work out the deal...It was not designed to stop all of Irans doing...just stop for a period of time , ten years I believe, the Irans ability to get the bomb...so if his actions pulled us a way from a depression...stopped Iran from acquiring a nuclear device...even a guarantee for ten years...your feeling of the mans lips where glued...I guess he would say ok...to do all those things...guilty... Oops...lets not forget his actions on the 800,000 kids in the States, his loosening the ties with Cuba...for most of us, a good thing...yes too...his attempt on Americas health problems too...so many now covered even with the problems...Still waiting for the Donalds plan, seems non existent and don't forget..{seems a common occurrence} his party had both houses of Congress PLUS executive branch too...
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