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Post by happyhoix on Oct 23, 2019 14:15:07 GMT -5
As in; Here we go...it hits the fan....Cohen testimony ? Mueller ? Ask yourself this question. If the testimony is so damning for Trump, why keep the proceedings in the Star Chamber sequestered from the American public, and come out and drop supposed Presidential wrong doing statements being told to them? Why secret testimony and the panel daily or even twice daily come out and tell America you have to see and hear what we see and hear in terstimony? If there was anything even hinting at Presidential mistakes Schiff would open the meetings up to hear this testimony. He has not and he will not. Label this stuff under "I have seen actual documents showing Trump colluded with the Russians" made by Shifty, err I mean Schiff. Never knew Congress had the ability to put proof of infractions in a box, seal it up and ship it off to Area 51 warehouses to never be seen again What makes you think Congress is going to sit on this?
This is just the 'investigation' phase.
You don't want the Dems going off half cocked, dragging Trump through an impeachment hearing over something that someone might have said someplace, right? No hearsay, right?
Now we've got a 15 page, nicely typed document that Taylor was kind of enough to offer to the public that allows everyone, including you, to see exactly why we need to move this from the investigation phase to the impeachment phase, when Taylor will no doubt be asked to appear again, in public, in the Senate, to outline for everyone what he wrote in that opening document, so it's right out there in the open.
Unless the GOP sets fire to the Senate or abducts Bill Taylor or some other half witted attempted to derail the legal process.
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Post by tbop77 on Oct 23, 2019 15:25:40 GMT -5
My first thought is maybe they don't want her to testify: Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper was due to speak at 10 a.m. in closed testimony focused on the mechanics of U.S. security assistance for Ukraine and fallout from the White House’s decision to withhold it for several months. Because, after all, it's not like there are not any Republicans there: Republicans on the three panels — the Intelligence, Oversight and Foreign Affairs committees — have been permitted to attend the depositions and ask questions. Or, they are putting on their best Trump reality show: The demonstration was led by Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) one day after members of the conservative House Freedom Caucus met with Trump at the White House. The president urged the group — his steadfast allies — to be “tough” because Democrats are “fighting dirty and have been fighting dirty” and that “maybe it’s time to take the gloves off,” according to Rep. Scott DesJarlais (R-Tenn.), who attended. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pentagons-ukraine-expert-resumes-impeachment-testimony-after-republican-protest-causes-5-hour-delay/ar-AAJdUKC?ocid=spartandhp
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 23, 2019 16:31:34 GMT -5
My first thought is maybe they don't want her to testify: Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper was due to speak at 10 a.m. in closed testimony focused on the mechanics of U.S. security assistance for Ukraine and fallout from the White House’s decision to withhold it for several months. Because, after all, it's not like there are not any Republicans there: Republicans on the three panels — the Intelligence, Oversight and Foreign Affairs committees — have been permitted to attend the depositions and ask questions. Or, they are putting on their best Trump reality show: The demonstration was led by Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) one day after members of the conservative House Freedom Caucus met with Trump at the White House. The president urged the group — his steadfast allies — to be “tough” because Democrats are “fighting dirty and have been fighting dirty” and that “maybe it’s time to take the gloves off,” according to Rep. Scott DesJarlais (R-Tenn.), who attended. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pentagons-ukraine-expert-resumes-impeachment-testimony-after-republican-protest-causes-5-hour-delay/ar-AAJdUKC?ocid=spartandhp
Scott DesJarlais? Tennessee's special little asshole who ran on an anti-abortion platform, and who urged his ex-wife to terminate two pregnancies and his former patient (with whom he was having an affair) to terminate another one?
Sounds like he's an expert on fighting dirty.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 23, 2019 16:44:17 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 23, 2019 19:58:23 GMT -5
he doesn't seem slightly embarrassed by it, either.
and why should he be?
he got away with something arguably worse in 2016.
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Post by kadee79 on Oct 23, 2019 20:05:56 GMT -5
If he would look in a mirror, he would see human scum.
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Post by dezii on Oct 24, 2019 1:15:21 GMT -5
Ask yourself this question. If the testimony is so damning for Trump, why keep the proceedings in the Star Chamber sequestered from the American public, and come out and drop supposed Presidential wrong doing statements being told to them? Why secret testimony and the panel daily or even twice daily come out and tell America you have to see and hear what we see and hear in terstimony? If there was anything even hinting at Presidential mistakes Schiff would open the meetings up to hear this testimony. He has not and he will not. Label this stuff under "I have seen actual documents showing Trump colluded with the Russians" made by Shifty, err I mean Schiff. Never knew Congress had the ability to put proof of infractions in a box, seal it up and ship it off to Area 51 warehouses to never be seen again What makes you think Congress is going to sit on this?
This is just the 'investigation' phase.
You don't want the Dems going off half cocked, dragging Trump through an impeachment hearing over something that someone might have said someplace, right? No hearsay, right?
Now we've got a 15 page, nicely typed document that Taylor was kind of enough to offer to the public that allows everyone, including you, to see exactly why we need to move this from the investigation phase to the impeachment phase, when Taylor will no doubt be asked to appear again, in public, in the Senate, to outline for everyone what he wrote in that opening document, so it's right out there in the open.
Unless the GOP sets fire to the Senate or abducts Bill Taylor or some other half witted attempted to derail the legal process.
"Happy" gave u a correct and good explanation of the committees way of investigating. Closed door such meetings are very common by congressional investigations...as u well know...very common by the GOP when they had majority controls... Me think your post is just more of what u enjoy doing...why u post here..It's called and by some , named for that mystical creature that usually lives and can be found under bridges... Kinda looks like the ones pictured in the "Harry Potter films"..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 9:14:28 GMT -5
So let me get this straight. There are already the many Repubs that are members of the three committees conducting the inquiries who are rightfully sitting in on them, but these other Repubs who aren't on the committees claim they should be allowed to as well, since otherwise everything is being "hidden" from the GOP? Madness!
Also, these idiots should be grateful there is no "stand your ground" right in the House or there could have been a lot of emergency elections since they stormed the secure facility inside the Capitol!
Hey, if we want to arm teachers, pilots, etc. at their place of work why not members of Congress? Just sayin'
I'm for the second being applied everywhere. Why not ! It'll come in handy during those disruptions during Supreme Court justice hearings. You know, those disruptions that are ok, because it's Democrats doing the disrupting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 9:18:48 GMT -5
Nor are they a criminal court proceeding. We can either respect that this is a unique process and stop pulling out random rules that don't apply, or we can liken this to the criminal process and name where we are in that process. The investigation stage. No one has been charged. No one has been arrested. No one is on trial. Which has what to do with you claiming a police comparison ?
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 24, 2019 9:28:51 GMT -5
Nor are they a criminal court proceeding. We can either respect that this is a unique process and stop pulling out random rules that don't apply, or we can liken this to the criminal process and name where we are in that process. The investigation stage. No one has been charged. No one has been arrested. No one is on trial. Which has what to do with you claiming a police comparison ? It isn't a police / criminal investigation. It is impeachment. Impeachment has it's own rules. You can't pull out criminal trial rules for this. Because (a) it isn't a criminal investigation and (b) we are not in the trial phase. I would love to do away with the police comparison, but then you have to do away with the ill-timed criminal trial comparison. It is either not comparable, or, if we have to liken it to something that people think they understand, then we need to at least identify the comparison correctly. Honestly, I don't care which we do, but we aren't doing either. We are saying random things that we heard on a TV show, or in civics class in 7th grade, or mis-quoting someone that we think is smart, or repeating talking points from our favorite TV idiot. Meanwhile, since we all think we know, and can only repeat party line bullshit, no one really understands the process.
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Post by Opti on Oct 24, 2019 18:35:17 GMT -5
If he would look in a mirror, he would see human scum. What I've noticed, is almost every thing he's slung at others, he is guilty of himself.
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Post by Opti on Oct 24, 2019 18:37:56 GMT -5
So do I, but my husband told me not to say that in front of my Mother. I dunno. I thought the antichrist was supposed to be slick, smooth, well-polished and highly manipulative. Trump on the other hand, is brutish, boorish, and works his "magic" with all of the tact of a hormonal, angsty middle-schooler. I'd expect more from the antichrist, TBH. IDK. He's pretty effective catnip to a significant part of the population. An anti-Christ is just supposed to do pro-Satan things. Like sow division, wars, and get people to turn on each other.
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Post by Opti on Oct 24, 2019 18:41:27 GMT -5
One of the GOP stormers posted audio recording from the secure room... Wouldn't that be illegal, posting audio from a secure location?
Or have we moved completely away from reality and entered Trumpian legal waters were anything he wants to do is legal, and whatever he doesn't want to do is not?
Hopefully there is an existing law against it and he can be censured and fined.
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Post by Opti on Oct 24, 2019 18:46:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 7:13:36 GMT -5
Which has what to do with you claiming a police comparison ? It isn't a police / criminal investigation. It is impeachment. Impeachment has it's own rules. You can't pull out criminal trial rules for this. Because (a) it isn't a criminal investigation and (b) we are not in the trial phase. I would love to do away with the police comparison, but then you have to do away with the ill-timed criminal trial comparison. It is either not comparable, or, if we have to liken it to something that people think they understand, then we need to at least identify the comparison correctly. Honestly, I don't care which we do, but we aren't doing either. We are saying random things that we heard on a TV show, or in civics class in 7th grade, or mis-quoting someone that we think is smart, or repeating talking points from our favorite TV idiot. Meanwhile, since we all think we know, and can only repeat party line bullshit, no one really understands the process. I didn't make a trial comparison. I know it's just the inquiry. I was wondering why you made a police investigation comparison ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 7:16:40 GMT -5
If he would look in a mirror, he would see human scum. What I've noticed, is almost every thing he's slung at others, he is guilty of himself. So which one of the scum slingers, are the good politicians ?
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 25, 2019 10:18:16 GMT -5
It isn't a police / criminal investigation. It is impeachment. Impeachment has it's own rules. You can't pull out criminal trial rules for this. Because (a) it isn't a criminal investigation and (b) we are not in the trial phase. I would love to do away with the police comparison, but then you have to do away with the ill-timed criminal trial comparison. It is either not comparable, or, if we have to liken it to something that people think they understand, then we need to at least identify the comparison correctly. Honestly, I don't care which we do, but we aren't doing either. We are saying random things that we heard on a TV show, or in civics class in 7th grade, or mis-quoting someone that we think is smart, or repeating talking points from our favorite TV idiot. Meanwhile, since we all think we know, and can only repeat party line bullshit, no one really understands the process. I didn't make a trial comparison. I know it's just the inquiry. I was wondering why you made a police investigation comparison ? It has been going around. Innocent until proven guilty, face your accuser, etc. I didnt mean to direct it to you - I just threw it into the general wind.
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Post by oped on Oct 25, 2019 10:21:38 GMT -5
Yes. Investigators all over the country allow witnesses to read transcripts from other witness depositions before they testify. Not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 11:49:58 GMT -5
I didn't make a trial comparison. I know it's just the inquiry. I was wondering why you made a police investigation comparison ? It has been going around. Innocent until proven guilty, face your accuser, etc. I didnt mean to direct it to you - I just threw it into the general wind. Ok, I get it. Sometimes I'm a little slow in the morning. Sometimes I'm a little slow all day long, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 13:03:36 GMT -5
Ask yourself this question. If the testimony is so damning for Trump, why keep the proceedings in the Star Chamber sequestered from the American public, and come out and drop supposed Presidential wrong doing statements being told to them? Why secret testimony and the panel daily or even twice daily come out and tell America you have to see and hear what we see and hear in terstimony? If there was anything even hinting at Presidential mistakes Schiff would open the meetings up to hear this testimony. He has not and he will not. Label this stuff under "I have seen actual documents showing Trump colluded with the Russians" made by Shifty, err I mean Schiff. Never knew Congress had the ability to put proof of infractions in a box, seal it up and ship it off to Area 51 warehouses to never be seen again What makes you think Congress is going to sit on this?
This is just the 'investigation' phase.
You don't want the Dems going off half cocked, dragging Trump through an impeachment hearing over something that someone might have said someplace, right? No hearsay, right?
Now we've got a 15 page, nicely typed document that Taylor was kind of enough to offer to the public that allows everyone, including you, to see exactly why we need to move this from the investigation phase to the impeachment phase, when Taylor will no doubt be asked to appear again, in public, in the Senate, to outline for everyone what he wrote in that opening document, so it's right out there in the open.
Unless the GOP sets fire to the Senate or abducts Bill Taylor or some other half witted attempted to derail the legal process.
This is just the 'never ending, without conclusion, on everything under the sun', investigation phase. (Fixed) Better buckle up butter cup. The Cohen testimony is tomorrow, or was it Mueller ? Who was it again ?
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Post by Bob Ross on Oct 25, 2019 14:01:12 GMT -5
What makes you think Congress is going to sit on this?
This is just the 'investigation' phase.
You don't want the Dems going off half cocked, dragging Trump through an impeachment hearing over something that someone might have said someplace, right? No hearsay, right?
Now we've got a 15 page, nicely typed document that Taylor was kind of enough to offer to the public that allows everyone, including you, to see exactly why we need to move this from the investigation phase to the impeachment phase, when Taylor will no doubt be asked to appear again, in public, in the Senate, to outline for everyone what he wrote in that opening document, so it's right out there in the open.
Unless the GOP sets fire to the Senate or abducts Bill Taylor or some other half witted attempted to derail the legal process.
This is just the 'never ending, without conclusion, on everything under the sun', investigation phase. (Fixed) Better buckle up butter cup. The Cohen testimony is tomorrow, or was it Mueller ? Who was it again ? When the investigation ends, you'll be wrong. And since it can't go on forever, this is an inevitability. When the investigation reaches a conclusion, you'll be wrong. And it is impossible for the investigation to investigate 'everything under the sun', so you're already wrong. When neither Cohen nor Mueller testifies tomorrow (a Saturday), you'll be wrong. Hyperbole much?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 14:26:40 GMT -5
This is just the 'never ending, without conclusion, on everything under the sun', investigation phase. (Fixed) Better buckle up butter cup. The Cohen testimony is tomorrow, or was it Mueller ? Who was it again ? When the investigation ends, you'll be wrong. And since it can't go on forever, this is an inevitability. When the investigation reaches a conclusion, you'll be wrong. And it is impossible for the investigation to investigate 'everything under the sun', so you're already wrong. When neither Cohen nor Mueller testifies tomorrow (a Saturday), you'll be wrong. Hyperbole much? Interesting that you would bring up hyperbole. I remember that inevitability, 3 years running isn't it.
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Post by Bob Ross on Oct 25, 2019 14:31:54 GMT -5
When the investigation ends, you'll be wrong. And since it can't go on forever, this is an inevitability. When the investigation reaches a conclusion, you'll be wrong. And it is impossible for the investigation to investigate 'everything under the sun', so you're already wrong. When neither Cohen nor Mueller testifies tomorrow (a Saturday), you'll be wrong. Hyperbole much? Interesting that you would bring up hyperbole. I remember that inevitability, 3 years running, isn't it. So you stick behind your never-ending claim, then?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 14:35:12 GMT -5
Interesting that you would bring up hyperbole. I remember that inevitability, 3 years running, isn't it. So you stick behind your never-ending claim, then? Extrapolation by what has happened so far. The never ending investigations wear thin.
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Post by Bob Ross on Oct 25, 2019 14:42:21 GMT -5
So you stick behind your never-ending claim, then? Extrapolation by what has happened so far. The never ending investigations wear thin. Well if Trump stopped doing shady sh*t, they'd have nothing to investigate, now would they? Unless of course you think he's an honest, innocent guy who's done nothing wrong and the investigations are completely unwarranted.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 25, 2019 14:46:40 GMT -5
So you stick behind your never-ending claim, then? Extrapolation by what has happened so far. The never ending investigations wear thin. Yea I felt that way about the eleventy-ninth investigation into Bengazhi! and The Emails!
That one still hasn't died, although using a private server seems almost quaint now.
Or White water, that dragged on for over a decade, and produced nearly nothing against the Clintons.
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Post by dondub on Oct 25, 2019 14:51:51 GMT -5
It did reveal their financial loss. How embarrassing....for the Repo-Cons.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 15:11:37 GMT -5
Extrapolation by what has happened so far. The never ending investigations wear thin. Well if Trump stopped doing shady sh*t, they'd have nothing to investigate, now would they? Unless of course you think he's an honest, innocent guy who's done nothing wrong and the investigations are completely unwarranted. So far, going by the results of all the previous investigations, he's no more guilty of crime than the average billionaire. The premise of "doing shady shit" isn't very conclusive.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 25, 2019 15:17:17 GMT -5
Extrapolation by what has happened so far. The never ending investigations wear thin. Well if Trump stopped doing shady sh*t, they'd have nothing to investigate, now would they? Unless of course you think he's an honest, innocent guy who's done nothing wrong and the investigations are completely unwarranted. (Fox News host) Mark Levin: ‘Hasn’t Even Been a Hint of Scandal’ in Trump’s Presidency“But I will say this about our president,” the conservative blowhard continued: “While he’s been president there hasn’t even been a hint of scandal. Not a hint!” October 22, 2019 Right-wing talker and Fox News host Mark Levin hilariously claimed this week that President Donald Trump, who is currently embroiled in an impeachment inquiry for allegedly pressuring a foreign leader to dig up dirt on a political rival, hasn’t even had a “hint of scandal” during his time in the White House. Mark Levin: ‘Hasn’t Even Been a Hint of Scandal’ in Trump’s Presidency
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