Prosecuters: recommend to Charge Andrew McCabe

[Value Buy]

The first little guy to possibly take the fall for his superiors.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/andrew-mccabe-prosecutors-recommend-charges-for-former-fbi-official/ar-AAHcKkk?li=BBnb7Kz

[billisonboard]

This playing out should be interesting.  I think it will be good to have charges filed and there be a public trial.

[Value Buy]

Sept 12, 2019 13:55:39 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

This playing out should be interesting.  I think it will be good to have charges filed and there be a public trial.

Please do not allow a plea bargain so we do not get to the truth.
I do not want a scooter Libby outcome and be done with the issues at hand.

[happyhoix]

So he's being charged because he leaked a phone conversation he had with a principle associate deputy about the existence of an investigation into the Clinton Foundation to the Wall street Journal in order to prove he was being impartial?

That doesn't really help Trump, does it? The Clinton Foundation was found not to be corrupt, but that was afterwards. Leaking that right before the election might have actually reduced the number of people who ended up voting for Clinton, just like the news of the 'new emails' did - and that turned into a nothing burger, too, but both could have suppressed the Clinton vote.

Maybe if McCabe hadn't leaked it, and Comey didn't rush to announce they found new emails, Clinton might have won the few votes she needed to win.

[Value Buy]

Sept 12, 2019 14:14:31 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So he's being charged because he leaked a phone conversation he had with a principle associate deputy about the existence of an investigation into the Clinton Foundation to the Wall street Journal in order to prove he was being impartial?

That doesn't really help Trump, does it? The Clinton Foundation was found not to be corrupt, but that was afterwards. Leaking that right before the election might have actually reduced the number of people who ended up voting for Clinton, just like the news of the 'new emails' did - and that turned into a nothing burger, too, but both could have suppressed the Clinton vote.

Maybe if McCabe hadn't leaked it, and Comey didn't rush to announce they found new emails, Clinton might have won the few votes she needed to win.

This is no longer about whether it helps Trump or hurts him.
It is about placing faith in our state and federal agencies again.
We have had too many supposed charges from both sides of the political aisle damaging our agencies as well as our sensibilities.
I want the truth to come out no matter how it falls, so we can regain trust in our agencies. 
I believe there was coup attempt by the agencies. If the truth proves me wrong, I may not like it, but if proved, innocent of a coup so be it, I have to accept it.
Just reading it on the internet or hearing it on  cable outlets CNN MSNBC OR FOX will not be a legitimate answer. At least for me anyway........

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe of "I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy's office" fame, is reportedly going to be indicted for lying to FBI investigators. 

US attorney recommends proceeding with charges against McCabe, as DOJ rejects last-ditch appeal - www.foxnews.com/politics/us-attorney-recommends-proceeding-with-charges-against-mccabe-as-doj-rejects-last-ditch-appeal

theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/09/12/report-u-s-dc-attorney-jessie-liu-will-indict-andrew-mccabe/

[billisonboard]

Sept 12, 2019 14:27:35 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

...
I believe there was coup attempt by the agencies. ...

I think that there was legitimate concern that there was a national security risk involved in the 2016 Presidential election and those who we have tasked with safeguarding out nation investigated it.

[Value Buy]

Sept 12, 2019 15:33:56 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 12, 2019 14:27:35 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

...
I believe there was coup attempt by the agencies. ...

I think that there was legitimate concern that there was a national security risk involved in the 2016 Presidential election and those who we have tasked with safeguarding out nation investigated it.

I will give you that point.
BUT, they went way beyond that with the contstant  leaks to the media and I think you have to admit the Russian dossier was known to be a fraud and they continued going to the well at the secret court, and gained more chances to poison the results. It has been obvious some of Obama's Cabinet  members did everything after they were out of office to undermmine Trump in interviews on the politcal talking shows. There were outright accusations Trump colluded and we now know for a fact via Mueller this did not happen.

[billisonboard]

Sept 12, 2019 15:42:11 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 12, 2019 15:33:56 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I think that there was legitimate concern that there was a national security risk involved in the 2016 Presidential election and those who we have tasked with safeguarding out nation investigated it.

I will give you that point.
BUT, they went way beyond that with the contstant  leaks to the media and I think you have to admit the Russian dossier was known to be a fraud and they continued going to the well at the secret court, and gained more chances to poison the results. It has been obvious some of Obama's Cabinet  members did everything after they were out of office to undermmine Trump in interviews on the politcal talking shows. There were outright accusations Trump colluded and we now know for a fact via Mueller this did not happen.

Non-supportive talking on TV shows = coup?

[oped]

Sept 12, 2019 15:42:11 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 12, 2019 15:33:56 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I think that there was legitimate concern that there was a national security risk involved in the 2016 Presidential election and those who we have tasked with safeguarding out nation investigated it.

I will give you that point.
BUT, they went way beyond that with the contstant  leaks to the media and I think you have to admit the Russian dossier was known to be a fraud and they continued going to the well at the secret court, and gained more chances to poison the results. It has been obvious some of Obama's Cabinet  members did everything after they were out of office to undermmine Trump in interviews on the politcal talking shows. There were outright accusations Trump colluded and we now know for a fact via Mueller this did not happen.

Still didn’t read the report, huh?

[Value Buy]

Sept 12, 2019 15:46:58 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 12, 2019 15:42:11 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I will give you that point.
BUT, they went way beyond that with the contstant  leaks to the media and I think you have to admit the Russian dossier was known to be a fraud and they continued going to the well at the secret court, and gained more chances to poison the results. It has been obvious some of Obama's Cabinet  members did everything after they were out of office to undermmine Trump in interviews on the politcal talking shows. There were outright accusations Trump colluded and we now know for a fact via Mueller this did not happen.

Non-supportive talking on TV shows = coup?

When they continued to support Trump colluding with the Russian when the race is over, it goes to what they did while still in power. They did not convert to the collusion position after they were out of office.
Brennan especially.

[billisonboard]

Here is a link to the thread where wee are discussing this issue.

[billisonboard]

Sept 12, 2019 15:49:24 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 12, 2019 15:46:58 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Non-supportive talking on TV shows = coup?

When they continued to support Trump colluding with the Russian when the race is over, it goes to what they did while still in power. They did not convert to the collusion position after they were out of office.
Brennan especially.

Okay, they though something that ended not being proven. They investigated it.

[happyhoix]

Sept 12, 2019 14:27:35 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 12, 2019 14:14:31 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So he's being charged because he leaked a phone conversation he had with a principle associate deputy about the existence of an investigation into the Clinton Foundation to the Wall street Journal in order to prove he was being impartial?

That doesn't really help Trump, does it? The Clinton Foundation was found not to be corrupt, but that was afterwards. Leaking that right before the election might have actually reduced the number of people who ended up voting for Clinton, just like the news of the 'new emails' did - and that turned into a nothing burger, too, but both could have suppressed the Clinton vote.

Maybe if McCabe hadn't leaked it, and Comey didn't rush to announce they found new emails, Clinton might have won the few votes she needed to win.

This is no longer about whether it helps Trump or hurts him.
It is about placing faith in our state and federal agencies again.
We have had too many supposed charges from both sides of the political aisle damaging our agencies as well as our sensibilities.
I want the truth to come out no matter how it falls, so we can regain trust in our agencies. 
I believe there was coup attempt by the agencies. If the truth proves me wrong, I may not like it, but if proved, innocent of a coup so be it, I have to accept it.
Just reading it on the internet or hearing it on  cable outlets CNN MSNBC OR FOX will not be a legitimate answer. At least for me anyway........

Agreed.

But you know that Trump and his minions will brag about how that 'bad guy' McCabe is being investigated - omitting that what he's being investigated for is leaking that the Clinton foundation was being investigated, because he wanted to prove that the DOJ was impartial.

This does not in any way mean that the Muller collusion investigation was unwarranted, but you know Trump will spin it that way.

[happyhoix]

Sept 12, 2019 15:42:11 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 12, 2019 15:33:56 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I think that there was legitimate concern that there was a national security risk involved in the 2016 Presidential election and those who we have tasked with safeguarding out nation investigated it.

I will give you that point.
BUT, they went way beyond that with the contstant  leaks to the media and I think you have to admit the Russian dossier was known to be a fraud and they continued going to the well at the secret court, and gained more chances to poison the results. It has been obvious some of Obama's Cabinet  members did everything after they were out of office to undermmine Trump in interviews on the politcal talking shows. There were outright accusations Trump colluded and we now know for a fact via Mueller this did not happen.

Trump and his cabinet and admin have done everything they can do to undermine the Dems on the political talking shows, making loose accusations based on flimsy evidence.

That's called politics.  There is no loyalty requirement where all Americans must pledge to only say nice, supportive things about the president - at least, not yet. I'm sure Trump is drafting one as we speak.

[OldCoyote]

Sept 12, 2019 13:55:39 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

This playing out should be interesting.  I think it will be good to have charges filed and there be a public trial.

I think it will be good to have charges filed and there be a public trial,,, lynching!

[OldCoyote]

Sept 12, 2019 14:14:31 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So he's being charged because he leaked a phone conversation he had with a principle associate deputy about the existence of an investigation into the Clinton Foundation to the Wall street Journal in order to prove he was being impartial?

That doesn't really help Trump, does it? The Clinton Foundation was found not to be corrupt, but that was afterwards. Leaking that right before the election might have actually reduced the number of people who ended up voting for Clinton, just like the news of the 'new emails' did - and that turned into a nothing burger, too, but both could have suppressed the Clinton vote.

Maybe if McCabe hadn't leaked it, and Comey didn't rush to announce they found new emails, Clinton might have won the few votes she needed to win.

Yea, by the same people that will now be coming up for trials involved in real interference!!!

[OldCoyote]

Sept 12, 2019 15:49:00 GMT -5 oped said:

Sept 12, 2019 15:42:11 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I will give you that point.
BUT, they went way beyond that with the contstant  leaks to the media and I think you have to admit the Russian dossier was known to be a fraud and they continued going to the well at the secret court, and gained more chances to poison the results. It has been obvious some of Obama's Cabinet  members did everything after they were out of office to undermmine Trump in interviews on the politcal talking shows. There were outright accusations Trump colluded and we now know for a fact via Mueller this did not happen.

Still didn’t read the report, huh?

What did it say between the lines?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 12, 2019 14:00:31 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 12, 2019 13:55:39 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

This playing out should be interesting.  I think it will be good to have charges filed and there be a public trial.

Please do not allow a plea bargain so we do not get to the truth.
I do not want a scooter Libby outcome and be done with the issues at hand.

He's entitled to the same presumption of innocence and pre-trial options as any other defendant. However, given the seriousness of the scheme to subvert an election, and even to reverse its outcome using the powers of the surveillance/spy apparatus of the United States government, and the subsequent obstruction of justice in covering up these activities-- which misused thousands of man hours and tens of millions of dollars to achieve the private political aims of a small group of conspirators seeking to coopt the government, I would say that "lying to investigators" is just a small shot across the bow to get this asshole's attention- along with the attention of his asshole cohorts- to sober them up for the real shit that's coming. Anyone that thinks Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Strzok, Page, Mr. & Mrs. Ohr, Susan Power, that Farkus lady or any of the rest of these people are going to walk is nuts. Ain't happening. You don't get to do this to our government and say whoopsie daisy. This is the most serious crime ever committed- the most sinister conspiracy in the history of the United States. They're all going to federal prison for a VERY long time.

[dondub]

Sept 13, 2019 12:49:55 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Sept 12, 2019 14:00:31 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Please do not allow a plea bargain so we do not get to the truth.
I do not want a scooter Libby outcome and be done with the issues at hand.

He's entitled to the same presumption of innocence and pre-trial options as any other defendant. However, given the seriousness of the scheme to subvert an election, and even to reverse its outcome using the powers of the surveillance/spy apparatus of the United States government, and the subsequent obstruction of justice in covering up these activities-- which misused thousands of man hours and tens of millions of dollars to achieve the private political aims of a small group of conspirators seeking to coopt the government, I would say that "lying to investigators" is just a small shot across the bow to get this asshole's attention- along with the attention of his asshole cohorts- to sober them up for the real shit that's coming. Anyone that thinks Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Strzok, Page, Mr. & Mrs. Ohr, Susan Power, that Farkus lady or any of the rest of these people are going to walk is nuts. Ain't happening. You don't get to do this to our government and say whoopsie daisy. This is the most serious crime ever committed- the most sinister conspiracy in the history of the United States. They're all going to federal prison for a VERY long time.

Excellent entertainment! You’ve done it again. I really enjoyed “most sinister conspiracy in the history of the United States”. I can easily think of another much worse and even true.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 13, 2019 12:49:55 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Sept 12, 2019 14:00:31 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Please do not allow a plea bargain so we do not get to the truth.
I do not want a scooter Libby outcome and be done with the issues at hand.

He's entitled to the same presumption of innocence and pre-trial options as any other defendant. However, given the seriousness of the scheme to subvert an election, and even to reverse its outcome using the powers of the surveillance/spy apparatus of the United States government, and the subsequent obstruction of justice in covering up these activities-- which misused thousands of man hours and tens of millions of dollars to achieve the private political aims of a small group of conspirators seeking to coopt the government, I would say that "lying to investigators" is just a small shot across the bow to get this asshole's attention- along with the attention of his asshole cohorts- to sober them up for the real shit that's coming. Anyone that thinks Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Strzok, Page, Mr. & Mrs. Ohr, Susan Power, that Farkus lady or any of the rest of these people are going to walk is nuts. Ain't happening. You don't get to do this to our government and say whoopsie daisy. This is the most serious crime ever committed- the most sinister conspiracy in the history of the United States. They're all going to federal prison for a VERY long time.

Obama-Hillary Derangement Syndrome.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 12, 2019 14:14:31 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So he's being charged because he leaked a phone conversation he had with a principle associate deputy about the existence of an investigation into the Clinton Foundation to the Wall street Journal in order to prove he was being impartial?

That doesn't really help Trump, does it? The Clinton Foundation was found not to be corrupt <-- False. The Clinton Foundation was covered for and cleared by the same conspiracy that sought to use the defense intelligence and surveillance apparatus to affect the outcome of an election, undo the results when that failed, and spent 100's of man-hours and tens of millions of dollars to cover it up. 


but that was afterwards. Leaking that right before the election might have actually reduced the number of people who ended up voting for Clinton, just like the news of the 'new emails' did - and that turned into a nothing burger, too, but both could have suppressed the Clinton vote.

Maybe if McCabe hadn't leaked it, and Comey didn't rush to announce they found new emails, Clinton might have won the few votes she needed to win.

"I'm an idiot and everything I tried to do blew up in my face" is NOT an affirmative defense.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

'Now that James Comey’s corruption of the FBI has been exposed, the country awaits the next report from Inspector General Michael Horowitz. This one will deal with misrepresentations to the FISA court that grants secret surveillance warrants on foreign agents in the United States.

Apparently, the court turned down the initial application — a very rare event — so the FBI and DoJ tried again. This time they bulked up the application with details from Christopher Steele’s dirty dossier. The FBI’s second-in-command, Andrew McCabe, told Congress that the warrant would not have been granted without the dossier. It was renewed three more times.

What the government did not tell the court was that Steele had a political agenda, the FBI had fired him for leaking, and the dossier was funded by Trump’s election opponents. Those omissions were a fraud on the court. The government's certification that the warrant information was true, complete, and verified was an outright lie.

The Horowitz report will detail this sinkhole of FISA abuse and undoubtedly refer some names to Attorney General Bill Barr for prosecution.

We don’t know how Barr’s team will handle those referrals or the avalanche sure to come from U.S. Attorney John Durham, who is leading a criminal investigation into how the anti-Trump investigation began and how the counter-intelligence operation morphed into a criminal inquiry.

Who dropped this bouquet of E-coli into the punch bowl? The answer: high-level political appointees at the FBI, CIA, DoJ, and perhaps the White House. We don’t know the role played by Pres. Obama and VP Biden or their top aides. All we know is that Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, who were central to the FBI investigation, texted about it on Aug. 5, 2016. The key text says, “The White House is running this.” Three years later, we still don’t know what that means.

We need to know:

(1) Who authorized these counter-intelligence operations and criminal investigations of the Trump campaign?

(2) Who coordinated the efforts, which spread across the Executive Branch?

(3) How high up did it go?

If there was a concerted, illegal effort by our own government to take down a presidential candidate and then the country’s new leader, it would represent a noxious, frontal assault on America’s constitutional order. That’s true whether you like Trump or loathe him.

We need answers, under oath.

We need to hold the perps to account."

www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/09/03/what_to_expect_when_youre_expecting_fisa_abuse_141157.html?fbclid=IwAR0XBfXh_N9rbjZnw7cdm4xa8wgon0ojQn4SWpo7hJlkvvvDhkXVIHp6-ZQ

[kadee79]

What a line of BS ^^^^  This administration isn't paying any attention to the constitution.  There are many of them that should be under investigation & prosecution & they can start at the top with DT!

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 13, 2019 15:15:12 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

What a line of BS ^^^^  This administration isn't paying any attention to the constitution.  There are many of them that should be under investigation & prosecution & they can start at the top with DT!

I'll tell you the same thing I tell everyone that thinks Trump should be impeached. Please explain what "high crime or misdemeanor" he's committed and make the case that he should be removed from office. Actually- you don't even have to do that. Just tell me what we should "investigate" that we haven't already spent hundreds of man hours and tens of millions of dollars investigating? Actually, I'd tell you except the swamp critters that tried to oust him already have the scope memo hidden away, don't they?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 12, 2019 15:49:24 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 12, 2019 15:46:58 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Non-supportive talking on TV shows = coup?

When they continued to support Trump colluding with the Russian when the race is over, it goes to what they did while still in power. They did not convert to the collusion position after they were out of office.
Brennan especially.

Correct. There's evidence that the Obama administration had been using the NSA, CIA, FBI, IRS and probably many other agencies to spy on and possibly blackmail and extort political opponents dating back to 2012. We still don't know exactly why Orca failed on election day 2012 for Mitt Romney. All we know for sure is that the DNC had spies and hackers in their employ who have fled the country- the Awan brothers. And while you probably recognize that name-- wanna bet a whole bunch of Dems here are gonna have to Google it?

[dondub]

Reverse hoax action! Very sinister and perhaps the worst hoax in American history.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 13, 2019 22:48:06 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Sept 12, 2019 15:49:24 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

When they continued to support Trump colluding with the Russian when the race is over, it goes to what they did while still in power. They did not convert to the collusion position after they were out of office.
Brennan especially.

Correct. There's evidence that the Obama administration had been using the NSA, CIA, FBI, IRS and probably many other agencies to spy on and possibly blackmail and extort political opponents dating back to 2012. We still don't know exactly why Orca failed on election day 2012 for Mitt Romney. All we know for sure is that the DNC had spies and hackers in their employ who have fled the country- the Awan brothers. And while you probably recognize that name-- wanna bet a whole bunch of Dems here are gonna have to Google it?

Did you get all the above from your Newswire buddy too?

[tbop77]

Sept 13, 2019 22:48:06 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Sept 12, 2019 15:49:24 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

When they continued to support Trump colluding with the Russian when the race is over, it goes to what they did while still in power. They did not convert to the collusion position after they were out of office.
Brennan especially.

Correct. There's evidence that the Obama administration had been using the NSA, CIA, FBI, IRS and probably many other agencies to spy on and possibly blackmail and extort political opponents dating back to 2012. We still don't know exactly why Orca failed on election day 2012 for Mitt Romney. All we know for sure is that the DNC had spies and hackers in their employ who have fled the country- the Awan brothers. And while you probably recognize that name-- wanna bet a whole bunch of Dems here are gonna have to Google it?

Almost 3 years and counting and President Trump hasn't perp walked President Obama and Hillary to prison yet?  HE PROMISED!  

[happyhoix]

Sept 13, 2019 14:40:41 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Sept 12, 2019 14:14:31 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

So he's being charged because he leaked a phone conversation he had with a principle associate deputy about the existence of an investigation into the Clinton Foundation to the Wall street Journal in order to prove he was being impartial?

That doesn't really help Trump, does it? The Clinton Foundation was found not to be corrupt <-- False. The Clinton Foundation was covered for and cleared by the same conspiracy that sought to use the defense intelligence and surveillance apparatus to affect the outcome of an election, undo the results when that failed, and spent 100's of man-hours and tens of millions of dollars to cover it up. 


but that was afterwards. Leaking that right before the election might have actually reduced the number of people who ended up voting for Clinton, just like the news of the 'new emails' did - and that turned into a nothing burger, too, but both could have suppressed the Clinton vote.

Maybe if McCabe hadn't leaked it, and Comey didn't rush to announce they found new emails, Clinton might have won the few votes she needed to win.

"I'm an idiot and everything I tried to do blew up in my face" is NOT an affirmative defense.

Oh yes, how could I forget that everything everywhere is connected to and ruled by the dark hat/black star conspiracy.

Everything that goes right is due to someone bravely fighting against the Dark Heart Plot. Everything that gets fucked up is fucked up by the Dark Heart Plot.  So simple.  I think I need to work on my own ginormous global conspiracy, it seems to make life so simple.