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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 8:14:55 GMT -5
If voting against Trump makes you a mindless pawn of the DNC, then voting against Hilary makes you a mindless pawn of the RNC, or maybe Fox news. We all have people we do not want leading the country. It doesn't make us mindless - it makes us normal. You do realize that Fox news only has about 4 million viewers on their best day ? It's a well worn meme that Fox news represents the ideals of conservatives. Trump has a few more twitter followers than fox.
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Bad Trump as in retrospect of what a democrat would vote for ? Or bad as you really don't care what the Democrat will do once they get into office, as long as that party has the winner. I'm just going by the OP'S "policy doesn't matter" statement. You do understand that most republican voters, including this one, view Trumps tweets as just distracting/baiting of the Democrats. They don't consider it a bad thing, they consider it more of a nothing thing. That's why it will seldom be brought up by them. My humor was you saying you would vote for any blue candidate, while talking about another blindly following, in the same post. So do I....and I wish they would confront his baiting with tweets asking him about the issues. Just return the insult by asking: How's paying off the debt going, I'm sure the American public would like to know. How's the party of health care doing, I'm sure the American public would like to know before the election. What ever happened to the middle class tax cuts? How are gun control discussions coming along, I'm sure the American public would like to know. That is the way to confront a bully. As the old southern saying goes "if you get in the mud with a pig, you'll both come out dirty, but the pig will enjoy it" Tweeting gives you that podium to stand on that you don't need to answer. It's effective for that, regardless of how you view it. It is a good social media business model, from its inception. I do think a lot of people had seen this coming for political/celeb usage. Especially those who came up with the original idea.
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... Tweeting gives you that podium to stand on that you don't need to answer. It's effective for that, regardless of how you view it. It is a good social media business model, from its inception. I do think a lot of people had seen this coming for political/celeb usage. Especially those who came up with the original idea. Hammers can be used to build buildings or to beat a human skull into a bloody pulp.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 18, 2019 9:04:26 GMT -5
Looking at the list of posters on this thread who will not be voting for Trump in 2020 is a surprise? Outside of pooks, did any of the posters who say they will not vote for Trump in 2020 really vote for Trump in 2016? Not sure where pooks stood in 2016, but we all know where the others stood in 2016. Now if someone who voted Trump in 2016 and says they will not vote for him in 2020, we could have a discussion. Looking forward to the discussion here in 2020 the day after Trump wins re-election.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 18, 2019 9:24:47 GMT -5
From the OP: As long as the Democrats can provide someone who can pass these simple tests, their nominee has my vote. There is an ongoing campaign to determine who will represent the Democratic Party in the 2020 presidential election. There is a concurrent effort by those not supportive of that party to make that intramural contest more divisive. The piece in the OP is about not allowing that effort to carry any weight.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 18, 2019 11:35:38 GMT -5
Looking at the list of posters on this thread who will not be voting for Trump in 2020 is a surprise? Outside of pooks, did any of the posters who say they will not vote for Trump in 2020 really vote for Trump in 2016? Not sure where pooks stood in 2016, but we all know where the others stood in 2016. Now if someone who voted Trump in 2016 and says they will not vote for him in 2020, we could have a discussion. Looking forward to the discussion here in 2020 the day after Trump wins re-election. you sound like a 2015 Clinton backer.
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... Tweeting gives you that podium to stand on that you don't need to answer. It's effective for that, regardless of how you view it. It is a good social media business model, from its inception. I do think a lot of people had seen this coming for political/celeb usage. Especially those who came up with the original idea. Hammers can be used to build buildings or to beat a human skull into a bloody pulp. Effectively ?
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Looking at the list of posters on this thread who will not be voting for Trump in 2020 is a surprise? Outside of pooks, did any of the posters who say they will not vote for Trump in 2020 really vote for Trump in 2016? Not sure where pooks stood in 2016, but we all know where the others stood in 2016. Now if someone who voted Trump in 2016 and says they will not vote for him in 2020, we could have a discussion. Looking forward to the discussion here in 2020 the day after Trump wins re-election. I would have voted for him, but when he dissed the Gold Star family, I couldn't. His treatment of them and his "I've sacrificed" turned my stomach. I didn't think the US deserved a commander in chief who couldn't shut his mouth to a Gold Star family. Wondered how much lower could a person go....and he has surely proven that over and over again.
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Looking at the list of posters on this thread who will not be voting for Trump in 2020 is a surprise? Outside of pooks, did any of the posters who say they will not vote for Trump in 2020 really vote for Trump in 2016? Not sure where pooks stood in 2016, but we all know where the others stood in 2016. Now if someone who voted Trump in 2016 and says they will not vote for him in 2020, we could have a discussion. Looking forward to the discussion here in 2020 the day after Trump wins re-election. I really wonder why the Donald and his followers are so against gay life styles and also the transgender folks...There not so many of them...his banning of transgender in the military as example..many highly talented, been in service many years serving honorable and filling important positions.....against his own senior generals and Admirals desires regarding keeping these folks on the job......his excuse of higher government costs possible medically....estimated tops possible $8 million per year, if that pales on his frequent vacations to his own resorts just as one of many extra government expenses and now his claim of transgender folks no civil rights basically.... What is with this person? Any help on explanation would be appreciated....If the explainer even wants to throw in a few yooo hooo's, fine with me. --------------------------------------------------------- "Donald Trump's administration has told the Supreme Court that transgender workers are not protected by federal civil rights law and can be fired because of their gender. The US government is arguing workers should only be protected from discrimination based on their “biological sex”, court filings have revealed." --------------------------------------------------------------- www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-says-transgender-workers-142227298.html
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 18, 2019 13:18:41 GMT -5
Hammers can be used to build buildings or to beat a human skull into a bloody pulp. Effectively ? Consider that a hammer is only a minor improvement on the rock and humans have worked to develop more sophisticated tools. Of course those tools can require greater skill to use. But lacking any advanced skills, ... And there will be those who are impressed by the brute nature of such use.
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Looking at the list of posters on this thread who will not be voting for Trump in 2020 is a surprise? Outside of pooks, did any of the posters who say they will not vote for Trump in 2020 really vote for Trump in 2016? Not sure where pooks stood in 2016, but we all know where the others stood in 2016. Now if someone who voted Trump in 2016 and says they will not vote for him in 2020, we could have a discussion. Looking forward to the discussion here in 2020 the day after Trump wins re-election. I did not vote for Trump, though I voted for Republicans in the past and other republicans in 2016. You bring up a good point, I don't know anyone who has changed their opinion on Trump since voting in 2016. Every Trump voter I know, a good bit of people, plan to vote for him again. The people I know who voted Clinton, voted third party, didn't vote at all, or just came of age are planning to vote D. I think it will be a tough race.
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Looking at the list of posters on this thread who will not be voting for Trump in 2020 is a surprise? Outside of pooks, did any of the posters who say they will not vote for Trump in 2020 really vote for Trump in 2016? Not sure where pooks stood in 2016, but we all know where the others stood in 2016. Now if someone who voted Trump in 2016 and says they will not vote for him in 2020, we could have a discussion. Looking forward to the discussion here in 2020 the day after Trump wins re-election. I did not vote for Trump, though I voted for Republicans in the past and other republicans in 2016. You bring up a good point, I don't know anyone who has changed their opinion on Trump since voting in 2016. Every Trump voter I know, a good bit of people, plan to vote for him again. The people I know who voted Clinton, voted third party, didn't vote at all, or just came of age are planning to vote D. I think it will be a tough race. While wondering why the Donald would be so favored...admit my prejudice regarding the Donald...I agree...it will be a close race electorial...not in actual #'s....but definitely electoral wise , which is only one that counts...
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Looking at the list of posters on this thread who will not be voting for Trump in 2020 is a surprise? Outside of pooks, did any of the posters who say they will not vote for Trump in 2020 really vote for Trump in 2016? Not sure where pooks stood in 2016, but we all know where the others stood in 2016. Now if someone who voted Trump in 2016 and says they will not vote for him in 2020, we could have a discussion. Looking forward to the discussion here in 2020 the day after Trump wins re-election. IRL I have two coworkers who voted for Trump and now regret it. One is a black guy who thought Clinton was a little 'fishy' with the whole email thing. He deeply regrets voting for Trump.
Another co-worker thought we had had to many Bushes and Clintons and we needed some fresh blood. He also deeply regrets his vote (white guy married to a black woman with a biracial child, he's unhappy about what he sees (in our solid red area) and an anti-brown national sentiment.)
However, every other Trumpette I know (and I know a lot, living in a solid red area) either don't have regrets or haven't voiced them to me.
It will be an interesting election to watch (although I'm 100% certain I will be sick to death of hearing about it, this time next year). I'm not as confident as you, I think this far out, the election could go either way, but if the economy goes into a recession, I'd put my money of the Dem.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 18, 2019 15:19:59 GMT -5
Looking at the list of posters on this thread who will not be voting for Trump in 2020 is a surprise? Outside of pooks, did any of the posters who say they will not vote for Trump in 2020 really vote for Trump in 2016? Not sure where pooks stood in 2016, but we all know where the others stood in 2016. Now if someone who voted Trump in 2016 and says they will not vote for him in 2020, we could have a discussion. Looking forward to the discussion here in 2020 the day after Trump wins re-election. IRL I have two coworkers who voted for Trump and now regret it. One is a black guy who thought Clinton was a little 'fishy' with the whole email thing. He deeply regrets voting for Trump.
Another co-worker thought we had had to many Bushes and Clintons and we needed some fresh blood. He also deeply regrets his vote (white guy married to a black woman with a biracial child, he's unhappy about what he sees (in our solid red area) and an anti-brown national sentiment.)
However, every other Trumpette I know (and I know a lot, living in a solid red area) either don't have regrets or haven't voiced them to me.
It will be an interesting election to watch (although I'm 100% certain I will be sick to death of hearing about it, this time next year). I'm not as confident as you, I think this far out, the election could go either way, but if the economy goes into a recession, I'd put my money of the Dem.
jooc: how many "Trumpettes" are we talking about here? 10? 100? more?
I am trying to gage the disaffection.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 18, 2019 15:23:13 GMT -5
Looking at the list of posters on this thread who will not be voting for Trump in 2020 is a surprise? Outside of pooks, did any of the posters who say they will not vote for Trump in 2020 really vote for Trump in 2016? Not sure where pooks stood in 2016, but we all know where the others stood in 2016. Now if someone who voted Trump in 2016 and says they will not vote for him in 2020, we could have a discussion. Looking forward to the discussion here in 2020 the day after Trump wins re-election. I did not vote for Trump, though I voted for Republicans in the past and other republicans in 2016. You bring up a good point, I don't know anyone who has changed their opinion on Trump since voting in 2016. Every Trump voter I know, a good bit of people, plan to vote for him again. The people I know who voted Clinton, voted third party, didn't vote at all, or just came of age are planning to vote D. I think it will be a tough race. everybody thought that about 2008, too, and Obama basically crushed him.
I am not sure how close it will be. it might be very close, and it might be a slam dunk. though I doubt it will be a slam dunk for Trump, as many here are asserting. IF he manages to piece together a win, it will be by carving off disaffected minorities in the electorate into a coalition of the disaffected. but it will be MUCH TOUGHER THIS TIME, because part of his disaffected union were those that are now being affected by HIS economics, which are not really helping the people he set out to help. he is correct that his economics is helping minority groups, but those are not the groups that voted for him. so, imo, his ONLY CHANCE of winning is to convince SOME minorities that did NOT vote for him last time to vote for him this time. and I am not sure how he does that.
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IRL I have two coworkers who voted for Trump and now regret it. One is a black guy who thought Clinton was a little 'fishy' with the whole email thing. He deeply regrets voting for Trump.
Another co-worker thought we had had to many Bushes and Clintons and we needed some fresh blood. He also deeply regrets his vote (white guy married to a black woman with a biracial child, he's unhappy about what he sees (in our solid red area) and an anti-brown national sentiment.)
However, every other Trumpette I know (and I know a lot, living in a solid red area) either don't have regrets or haven't voiced them to me.
It will be an interesting election to watch (although I'm 100% certain I will be sick to death of hearing about it, this time next year). I'm not as confident as you, I think this far out, the election could go either way, but if the economy goes into a recession, I'd put my money of the Dem.
jooc: how many "Trumpettes" are we talking about here? 10? 100? more?
I am trying to gage the disaffection.
Of the Trump supporters I know for sure are 100% happy with Trump, maybe 10. I know a lot more Trump supporters who I have to assume are still happy about him, because they haven't said otherwise, but I don't know for sure. (IRL I don't talk politics with that many people). Of the Trump supporters in 2016 who now say they won't vote for him again - 2.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 18, 2019 15:33:30 GMT -5
jooc: how many "Trumpettes" are we talking about here? 10? 100? more?
I am trying to gage the disaffection.
Of the Trump supporters I know for sure are 100% happy with Trump, maybe 10. I know a lot more Trump supporters who I have to assume are still happy about him, because they haven't said otherwise, but I don't know for sure. (IRL I don't talk politics with that many people). Of the Trump supporters in 2016 who now say they won't vote for him again - 2. ok. so 10-20%. got it. that is about what I would expect. when you bed down with someone like Trump, it becomes pretty impossible to back down from that. because the ONLY thing that could make you do it is the view that the opponent is evil. and backing down from Trump would be yielding to evil. it is that much of an existential thing for these folks. that is how divided we are, now.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 18, 2019 15:40:07 GMT -5
Of the Trump supporters I know for sure are 100% happy with Trump, maybe 10. I know a lot more Trump supporters who I have to assume are still happy about him, because they haven't said otherwise, but I don't know for sure. (IRL I don't talk politics with that many people). Of the Trump supporters in 2016 who now say they won't vote for him again - 2. ok. so 10-20%. got it. that is about what I would expect. when you bed down with someone like Trump, it becomes pretty impossible to back down from that. because the ONLY thing that could make you do it is the view that the opponent is evil. and backing down from Trump would be yielding to evil. it is that much of an existential thing for these folks. that is how divided we are, now.
Actually, a lot of the pro-Trump folks only watch Fox and Friends or listen to right leaning radio like Rush Limbaugh - and just don't seem to be aware of some of the more outrageous things Trump has done. So they think he's doing great, because the economy is good.
When DH told MIL about Trump's gaffe about Washington defeating the British at the Yorktown airport, she not only hadn't heard it, but she insisted it couldn't possibly be true, Trump would never make that kind of mistake.
So Fox and Friends and Trump himself has brainwashed a lot of people into thinking Trump hasn't done or said anything wrong, it's all made up, so they're happy with the job he's doing.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 18, 2019 15:43:38 GMT -5
ok. so 10-20%. got it. that is about what I would expect. when you bed down with someone like Trump, it becomes pretty impossible to back down from that. because the ONLY thing that could make you do it is the view that the opponent is evil. and backing down from Trump would be yielding to evil. it is that much of an existential thing for these folks. that is how divided we are, now.
Actually, a lot of the pro-Trump folks only watch Fox and Friends or listen to right leaning radio like Rush Limbaugh - and just don't seem to be aware of some of the more outrageous things Trump has done. So they think he's doing great, because the economy is good.
When DH told MIL about Trump's gaffe about Washington defeating the British at the Yorktown airport, she not only hadn't heard it, but she insisted it couldn't possibly be true, Trump would never make that kind of mistake.
So Fox and Friends and Trump himself has brainwashed a lot of people into thinking Trump hasn't done or said anything wrong, it's all made up, so they're happy with the job he's doing.
yeah, I am aware of that, too.
it is actually shocking how ignorant many GOP voters are. they hear very little of the horrific crap, and ALL of the stuff that is mildly good. it is precisely the sort of slant that they accuse the "liberal" media of doing. but the slant is wildly different, imo. it is in a completely different realm. it is truly an echo chamber of, basically, propaganda.
so, yeah. we will have to hope to hold a coalition of the informed together. and it is frightening to think of what Trump might do to shut down that possibility in the next (12) months. that is the worst danger I see going forward.
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I did not vote for Trump, though I voted for Republicans in the past and other republicans in 2016. You bring up a good point, I don't know anyone who has changed their opinion on Trump since voting in 2016. Every Trump voter I know, a good bit of people, plan to vote for him again. The people I know who voted Clinton, voted third party, didn't vote at all, or just came of age are planning to vote D. I think it will be a tough race. everybody thought that about 2008, too, and Obama basically crushed him.
I am not sure how close it will be. it might be very close, and it might be a slam dunk. though I doubt it will be a slam dunk for Trump, as many here are asserting. IF he manages to piece together a win, it will be by carving off disaffected minorities in the electorate into a coalition of the disaffected. but it will be MUCH TOUGHER THIS TIME, because part of his disaffected union were those that are now being affected by HIS economics, which are not really helping the people he set out to help. he is correct that his economics is helping minority groups, but those are not the groups that voted for him. so, imo, his ONLY CHANCE of winning is to convince SOME minorities that did NOT vote for him last time to vote for him this time. and I am not sure how he does that.
Really? Bush's approval rating was in the toilet and once the stock market crashed it seemed pretty much over. My comment was if things remain the same as they are now. If the economy goes into recession, I think Trump loses badly. But I also see some things he can do to improve his position. A trade deal with China would probably help him, any concessions with NK, even quieting down the tweets. ETA: Trump is also remarkably good at branding his opponent. I just don't want to underestimate how hard it could be to defeat him.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 18, 2019 17:02:19 GMT -5
everybody thought that about 2008, too, and Obama basically crushed him.
I am not sure how close it will be. it might be very close, and it might be a slam dunk. though I doubt it will be a slam dunk for Trump, as many here are asserting. IF he manages to piece together a win, it will be by carving off disaffected minorities in the electorate into a coalition of the disaffected. but it will be MUCH TOUGHER THIS TIME, because part of his disaffected union were those that are now being affected by HIS economics, which are not really helping the people he set out to help. he is correct that his economics is helping minority groups, but those are not the groups that voted for him. so, imo, his ONLY CHANCE of winning is to convince SOME minorities that did NOT vote for him last time to vote for him this time. and I am not sure how he does that.
Really? Bush's approval rating was in the toilet and once the stock market crashed it seemed pretty much over. My comment was if things remain the same as they are now. If the economy goes into recession, I think Trump loses badly. But I also see some things he can do to improve his position. A trade deal with China would probably help him, any concessions with NK, even quieting down the tweets. ETA: Trump is also remarkably good at branding his opponent. I just don't want to underestimate how hard it could be to defeat him. completely false.
the Stock Market crashed during 911. Bush's approval rating went over 80%. his approval rating ONLY declined after he committed to the Iraq War. and the economy had recovered, and was doing reasonably well. by the time his re-election was coming around, he was STILL over 50% approval (aka, higher than Trump has EVER been).
so, yeah, the Bush example is not really all that great.
I would point to Carter as a better example. a guy who was clearly out of his league with the job, plagued by a series of failures, with low approval. GHWB is another decent example. the only difference is that both those men had economic woes that Trump does not have.
so, it remains to be seen whether this 11 year recovery gives out before the 2020 election. if it does, Trump is doomed, imo.
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Post by steff on Aug 18, 2019 17:05:30 GMT -5
ok. so 10-20%. got it. that is about what I would expect. when you bed down with someone like Trump, it becomes pretty impossible to back down from that. because the ONLY thing that could make you do it is the view that the opponent is evil. and backing down from Trump would be yielding to evil. it is that much of an existential thing for these folks. that is how divided we are, now.
Actually, a lot of the pro-Trump folks only watch Fox and Friends or listen to right leaning radio like Rush Limbaugh - and just don't seem to be aware of some of the more outrageous things Trump has done. So they think he's doing great, because the economy is good.
When DH told MIL about Trump's gaffe about Washington defeating the British at the Yorktown airport, she not only hadn't heard it, but she insisted it couldn't possibly be true, Trump would never make that kind of mistake.
So Fox and Friends and Trump himself has brainwashed a lot of people into thinking Trump hasn't done or said anything wrong, it's all made up, so they're happy with the job he's doing.
I have an aunt that is a rabid supporters (and borderline Q believer), she only watches One America News, so she's even less informed than Fox viewers.
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everybody thought that about 2008, too, and Obama basically crushed him.
I am not sure how close it will be. it might be very close, and it might be a slam dunk. though I doubt it will be a slam dunk for Trump, as many here are asserting. IF he manages to piece together a win, it will be by carving off disaffected minorities in the electorate into a coalition of the disaffected. but it will be MUCH TOUGHER THIS TIME, because part of his disaffected union were those that are now being affected by HIS economics, which are not really helping the people he set out to help. he is correct that his economics is helping minority groups, but those are not the groups that voted for him. so, imo, his ONLY CHANCE of winning is to convince SOME minorities that did NOT vote for him last time to vote for him this time. and I am not sure how he does that.
Really? Bush's approval rating was in the toilet and once the stock market crashed it seemed pretty much over. My comment was if things remain the same as they are now. If the economy goes into recession, I think Trump loses badly. But I also see some things he can do to improve his position. A trade deal with China would probably help him, any concessions with NK, even quieting down the tweets. ETA: Trump is also remarkably good at branding his opponent. I just don't want to underestimate how hard it could be to defeat him. There is the H.L. Mencken quote: I've never been a big fan of the American public, but let's hope even this public is not stupid enough to reelect this moron.
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Post by pooks on Aug 18, 2019 17:20:55 GMT -5
Really? Bush's approval rating was in the toilet and once the stock market crashed it seemed pretty much over. My comment was if things remain the same as they are now. If the economy goes into recession, I think Trump loses badly. But I also see some things he can do to improve his position. A trade deal with China would probably help him, any concessions with NK, even quieting down the tweets. ETA: Trump is also remarkably good at branding his opponent. I just don't want to underestimate how hard it could be to defeat him. completely false.
the Stock Market crashed during 911. Bush's approval rating went over 80%. his approval rating ONLY declined after he committed to the Iraq War. and the economy had recovered, and was doing reasonably well. by the time his re-election was coming around, he was STILL over 50% approval (aka, higher than Trump has EVER been).
so, yeah, the Bush example is not really all that great.
I would point to Carter as a better example. a guy who was clearly out of his league with the job, plagued by a series of failures, with low approval. GHWB is another decent example. the only difference is that both those men had economic woes that Trump does not have.
so, it remains to be seen whether this 11 year recovery gives out before the 2020 election. if it does, Trump is doomed, imo.
But the example you gave was the 2008 election, so I was talking about the events as they were in 2008. I am now just confused.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 18, 2019 17:32:28 GMT -5
completely false.
the Stock Market crashed during 911. Bush's approval rating went over 80%. his approval rating ONLY declined after he committed to the Iraq War. and the economy had recovered, and was doing reasonably well. by the time his re-election was coming around, he was STILL over 50% approval (aka, higher than Trump has EVER been).
so, yeah, the Bush example is not really all that great.
I would point to Carter as a better example. a guy who was clearly out of his league with the job, plagued by a series of failures, with low approval. GHWB is another decent example. the only difference is that both those men had economic woes that Trump does not have.
so, it remains to be seen whether this 11 year recovery gives out before the 2020 election. if it does, Trump is doomed, imo.
But the example you gave was the 2008 election, so I was talking about the events as they were in 2008. I am now just confused. OHHHHH!!!!!
i am sorry.
i thought we were talking about situations that were similar to the one Trump finds himself in.
Bush was not eligible for re-election in 2008. Trump is.
so, i assumed you were talking about 2004.
so, i presume we agree that Bush's situation is somewhat different than Trump's is likely to be next year?
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Post by pooks on Aug 18, 2019 17:55:35 GMT -5
But the example you gave was the 2008 election, so I was talking about the events as they were in 2008. I am now just confused. OHHHHH!!!!!
i am sorry.
i thought we were talking about situations that were similar to the one Trump finds himself in.
Bush was not eligible for re-election in 2008. Trump is.
so, i assumed you were talking about 2004.
so, i presume we agree that Bush's situation is somewhat different than Trump's is likely to be next year?
Now your comment makes sense. Thank you. Trump is hard to compare. His approval ratings are stable and barely impacted by outside events. He should be higher now if he could act normal. Has an incumbent ever been defeated while the economy was perceived as good? Maybe Ford/Carter?
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 18, 2019 18:57:37 GMT -5
Looking at the list of posters on this thread who will not be voting for Trump in 2020 is a surprise? Outside of pooks, did any of the posters who say they will not vote for Trump in 2020 really vote for Trump in 2016? Not sure where pooks stood in 2016, but we all know where the others stood in 2016. Now if someone who voted Trump in 2016 and says they will not vote for him in 2020, we could have a discussion. Looking forward to the discussion here in 2020 the day after Trump wins re-election. I really wonder why the Donald and his followers are so against gay life styles and also the transgender folks...There not so many of them...his banning of transgender in the military as example..many highly talented, been in service many years serving honorable and filling important positions.....against his own senior generals and Admirals desires regarding keeping these folks on the job......his excuse of higher government costs possible medically....estimated tops possible $8 million per year, if that pales on his frequent vacations to his own resorts just as one of many extra government expenses and now his claim of transgender folks no civil rights basically.... What is with this person? Any help on explanation would be appreciated....If the explainer even wants to throw in a few yooo hooo's, fine with me. --------------------------------------------------------- "Donald Trump's administration has told the Supreme Court that transgender workers are not protected by federal civil rights law and can be fired because of their gender. The US government is arguing workers should only be protected from discrimination based on their “biological sex”, court filings have revealed." --------------------------------------------------------------- www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-says-transgender-workers-142227298.htmlWooo Hoooo Desii,
Donald and his followers are so against gay life styles and also the transgender folks
Going to try this? What happened to puzzy grabber and the thirteen yo. or is this in addition to those?
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 19, 2019 7:02:04 GMT -5
everybody thought that about 2008, too, and Obama basically crushed him.
I am not sure how close it will be. it might be very close, and it might be a slam dunk. though I doubt it will be a slam dunk for Trump, as many here are asserting. IF he manages to piece together a win, it will be by carving off disaffected minorities in the electorate into a coalition of the disaffected. but it will be MUCH TOUGHER THIS TIME, because part of his disaffected union were those that are now being affected by HIS economics, which are not really helping the people he set out to help. he is correct that his economics is helping minority groups, but those are not the groups that voted for him. so, imo, his ONLY CHANCE of winning is to convince SOME minorities that did NOT vote for him last time to vote for him this time. and I am not sure how he does that.
Really? Bush's approval rating was in the toilet and once the stock market crashed it seemed pretty much over. My comment was if things remain the same as they are now. If the economy goes into recession, I think Trump loses badly. But I also see some things he can do to improve his position. A trade deal with China would probably help him, any concessions with NK, even quieting down the tweets. ETA: Trump is also remarkably good at branding his opponent. I just don't want to underestimate how hard it could be to defeat him. Trump has already started the process of explaining why the economy is going south - it's a conspiracy against him! Led by his hand picked head of the Federal Reserve, who is out to get him, as well as the lying liberal media, who keeps making up stories about how bad the economy has become. EVERYONE IS ALWAYS TRYING TO SCREW HIM OVER!
However, - if the economy is doing as well as it's doing, imagine how horrible it would be without someone magnificent like him running things - so it would be a disaster if anyone else got elected.
A campaign based on lies, fear and conspiracy theories - it worked for him before.
I would post a link, but it's to the NY Times, a pay site.
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Post by dezii on Aug 19, 2019 7:16:16 GMT -5
I really wonder why the Donald and his followers are so against gay life styles and also the transgender folks...There not so many of them...his banning of transgender in the military as example..many highly talented, been in service many years serving honorable and filling important positions.....against his own senior generals and Admirals desires regarding keeping these folks on the job......his excuse of higher government costs possible medically....estimated tops possible $8 million per year, if that pales on his frequent vacations to his own resorts just as one of many extra government expenses and now his claim of transgender folks no civil rights basically.... What is with this person? Any help on explanation would be appreciated....If the explainer even wants to throw in a few yooo hooo's, fine with me. --------------------------------------------------------- "Donald Trump's administration has told the Supreme Court that transgender workers are not protected by federal civil rights law and can be fired because of their gender. The US government is arguing workers should only be protected from discrimination based on their “biological sex”, court filings have revealed." --------------------------------------------------------------- www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-says-transgender-workers-142227298.htmlWooo Hoooo Desii,
Donald and his followers are so against gay life styles and also the transgender folks
Going to try this? What happened to puzzy grabber and the thirteen yo. or is this in addition to those?
Nothing to try...Don't believe I have mentioned the PG...possible a long time ago as a sick indicator but to long ago to remember....the rapest charge is just fact.... I have no idea why u are mouthing off...I asked a legitimate question regarding the Dnald and his followers...Since u are definite a rabid supporter I am assuming u too have this thing regarding gays and transgender folks so I will ask u directly...what is your problem regarding these folks...?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 8:51:53 GMT -5
Effectively ? Consider that a hammer is only a minor improvement on the rock and humans have worked to develop more sophisticated tools. Of course those tools can require greater skill to use. But lacking any advanced skills, ... And there will be those who are impressed by the brute nature of such use. For far too long, the left has been used to southern gentlemen conservatives as politicians. Who they would mouth off to with zero respect, and get little response. Now, we have a mouthy New Yorker, with the Democratic party playbook in his back pocket, running his mouth like they do, as the Republican president. Good for him.
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