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Post by kadee79 on May 19, 2019 22:30:27 GMT -5
Thank you Tenn! They are all West Point graduates this year....the largest ever of black women.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 19, 2019 22:39:40 GMT -5
Thank you Tenn! They are all West Point graduates this year....the largest ever of black women. There are no white women graduating from West Point? I don't get it.
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Post by kadee79 on May 20, 2019 9:20:11 GMT -5
Thank you Tenn! They are all West Point graduates this year....the largest ever of black women. There are no white women graduating from West Point? I don't get it. There probably are. However, it has been quite a battle first to get women into West Point & then more battle to get women of color into it. This just happens to be the largest graduating class of women of color that West Point has had up to now. Maybe having been discriminated against all of their lives has a bit to do with it!
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Post by thyme4change on May 20, 2019 16:00:41 GMT -5
That is an awesome picture, just as a photo and what the picture means.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 20, 2019 16:03:05 GMT -5
It IS an awesome picture! Good for them! Just out of curiousity...are woman allowed on the front lines yet, to serve in combat roles?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 11:42:10 GMT -5
Empowered women getting it done. I have nothing but respect for them. In 50 years, when they're the ones in charge, will there be entitled know nothings, complaining about all the old black women running things, how tiresome it is, and how we need better people in control (their people), instead of the same ole, same ole.
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Post by thyme4change on May 21, 2019 19:28:12 GMT -5
Empowered women getting it done. I have nothing but respect for them. In 50 years, when they're the ones in charge, will there be entitled know nothings, complaining about all the old black women running things, how tiresome it is, and how we need better people in control (their people), instead of the same ole, same ole. Sure. Especially if it is a shit show like today's politics.
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Post by Opti on May 21, 2019 19:41:36 GMT -5
There are no white women graduating from West Point? I don't get it. There probably are. However, it has been quite a battle first to get women into West Point & then more battle to get women of color into it. This just happens to be the largest graduating class of women of color that West Point has had up to now. Maybe having been discriminated against all of their lives has a bit to do with it! As a white woman of 59, I'm no longer sure there's that big of a battle between white or black women. In some ways, I think black women are more accepted as tough, than white women are. And that's wrong. I was just watching Blackish, and I was struck again by how the main character referred to the fight against the 'white man'. Do people not realize that a black man, IMO is more accepted as a leader simply because he is male AND blacks are often considered tougher than whites? A white woman right now, IMO sometimes has a tougher time being heard here in this American culture. I admit, I would feel this less if a woman had actually been elected as VP or President by now of the US, and I was not working in healthcare but perhaps still in IT. A black man got two terms as President. Some people want to elect his wife. What white female politician has that clout right now?
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Post by thyme4change on May 21, 2019 20:30:16 GMT -5
There have been a few studies about how black men who have succeeded don't really "stick", and within a generation or two, the family has slid back down the socioeconomic scale. I will see if I can find them. But I think black men may be accepted...to a point. I posit that white women are more accepted because most successful white men have lived with a white woman at some point in their lives. We aren't as unknown. We kinda fit in a little better, we know the white code. I don't think statistics prove my theory out either.
Would a black woman have an advantage over a black man because women in general aren't as scary? I don't know. But it is an interesting thought experiment.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 22, 2019 2:39:03 GMT -5
There probably are. However, it has been quite a battle first to get women into West Point & then more battle to get women of color into it. This just happens to be the largest graduating class of women of color that West Point has had up to now. Maybe having been discriminated against all of their lives has a bit to do with it! As a white woman of 59, I'm no longer sure there's that big of a battle between white or black women. In some ways, I think black women are more accepted as tough, than white women are. And that's wrong. I was just watching Blackish, and I was struck again by how the main character referred to the fight against the 'white man'. Do people not realize that a black man, IMO is more accepted as a leader simply because he is male AND blacks are often considered tougher than whites? A white woman right now, IMO sometimes has a tougher time being heard here in this American culture. I admit, I would feel this less if a woman had actually been elected as VP or President by now of the US, and I was not working in healthcare but perhaps still in IT. A black man got two terms as President. Some people want to elect his wife. What white female politician has that clout right now? I have yet to meet a black person that feels the way you do.
just sayin.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 7:45:06 GMT -5
Empowered women getting it done. I have nothing but respect for them. In 50 years, when they're the ones in charge, will there be entitled know nothings, complaining about all the old black women running things, how tiresome it is, and how we need better people in control (their people), instead of the same ole, same ole. Sure. Especially if it is a shit show like today's politics. It's always a "shit show" when you (general you) aren't getting what you want. I'm just old enough to see the cycle repeat.
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Post by thyme4change on May 22, 2019 7:49:32 GMT -5
Sure. Especially if it is a shit show like today's politics. It's always a "shit show" when you (general you) aren't getting what you want. I'm just old enough to see the cycle repeat. When you look back at historical voting patterns in Congress, we have reached a point of unprecedented partisanship. You have not seen a more dysfunctional system in your time. We have been moving in this direction for decades.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 7:57:03 GMT -5
It's always a "shit show" when you (general you) aren't getting what you want. I'm just old enough to see the cycle repeat. When you look back at historical voting patterns in Congress, we have reached a point of unprecedented bi-partisanship. You have not seen a more dysfunctional system in your time. We have been moving in this direction for decades. Agreed. It's now all about voting the party line vs the will of the constituents. Moderates, if there's any left, are long gone as far as a political force.
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Post by thyme4change on May 22, 2019 14:26:45 GMT -5
When you look back at historical voting patterns in Congress, we have reached a point of unprecedented bi-partisanship. You have not seen a more dysfunctional system in your time. We have been moving in this direction for decades. Agreed. It's now all about voting the party line vs the will of the constituents. Moderates, if there's any left, are long gone as far as a political force. And a majority of Americans are pissed about that. And a bunch have been sort-of radicalized on both sides. If the middle became a desirable spot again, some of those loonies would drift back.
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Post by raeoflyte on May 22, 2019 16:14:00 GMT -5
As a white woman of 59, I'm no longer sure there's that big of a battle between white or black women. In some ways, I think black women are more accepted as tough, than white women are. And that's wrong. I was just watching Blackish, and I was struck again by how the main character referred to the fight against the 'white man'. Do people not realize that a black man, IMO is more accepted as a leader simply because he is male AND blacks are often considered tougher than whites? A white woman right now, IMO sometimes has a tougher time being heard here in this American culture. I admit, I would feel this less if a woman had actually been elected as VP or President by now of the US, and I was not working in healthcare but perhaps still in IT. A black man got two terms as President. Some people want to elect his wife. What white female politician has that clout right now? I have yet to meet a black person that feels the way you do.
just sayin.
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As a white woman of 59, I'm no longer sure there's that big of a battle between white or black women. In some ways, I think black women are more accepted as tough, than white women are. And that's wrong. I was just watching Blackish, and I was struck again by how the main character referred to the fight against the 'white man'. Do people not realize that a black man, IMO is more accepted as a leader simply because he is male AND blacks are often considered tougher than whites? A white woman right now, IMO sometimes has a tougher time being heard here in this American culture. I admit, I would feel this less if a woman had actually been elected as VP or President by now of the US, and I was not working in healthcare but perhaps still in IT. A black man got two terms as President. Some people want to elect his wife. What white female politician has that clout right now?I have yet to meet a black person that feels the way you do.
just sayin.
I was going to disagree with Opt4 until I got to the last paragraph. I still think white skin has it better than black skin but a penis wins over a vagina first.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 22, 2019 21:18:27 GMT -5
I have yet to meet a black person that feels the way you do.
just sayin.
I was going to disagree with Opt4 until I got to the last paragraph. I still think white skin has it better than black skin but a penis wins over a vagina first. one need look no further than the history of universal franchise -vs- emancipation to recognize this. half a century separates them, even though the movements started at basically the same time. (Ken Burns does a good job of discussing this, if memory serves)
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 8:31:00 GMT -5
Agreed. It's now all about voting the party line vs the will of the constituents. Moderates, if there's any left, are long gone as far as a political force. And a majority of Americans are pissed about that. And a bunch have been sort-of radicalized on both sides. If the middle became a desirable spot again, some of those loonies would drift back. I'm sure not happy about it.
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Post by Opti on May 25, 2019 13:45:04 GMT -5
As a white woman of 59, I'm no longer sure there's that big of a battle between white or black women. In some ways, I think black women are more accepted as tough, than white women are. And that's wrong. I was just watching Blackish, and I was struck again by how the main character referred to the fight against the 'white man'. Do people not realize that a black man, IMO is more accepted as a leader simply because he is male AND blacks are often considered tougher than whites? A white woman right now, IMO sometimes has a tougher time being heard here in this American culture. I admit, I would feel this less if a woman had actually been elected as VP or President by now of the US, and I was not working in healthcare but perhaps still in IT. A black man got two terms as President. Some people want to elect his wife. What white female politician has that clout right now? I have yet to meet a black person that feels the way you do.
just sayin.
I don't think they would. They haven't lived my life and I don't think many appreciate the sacrifices someone like Hillary had to make top be where she is. One of the two PITAs at work is a young twentyish woman from France. She once told one of my bosses that she didn't believe white people could be poor. This is just a sample of some of the ignorance I fight on a daily basis in a healthcare facility. To me, cool people are cool people. I'd have to know your full story to evaluate with any sense whether you had it worse than me. (Me and the poorish white woman boss laughed and cried at that.) I was born in 1960. I am not RBG, but if you will perhaps generation next. We took it on the chin too, it was just less obvious. In my lifetime many things have changed simultaneously including the status of blacks, white women, and the changing landscape of information technology, i.e. computers, to smart watches, etc. Black people rarely have to worry about Uncle Toms that much, i.e. unlike feminists now and 1960 on, there aren't many black publications spouting how good they all have it and to stop whining. Bit different if you are a white woman in a non traditional field, and a non traditional woman/female as well.
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Post by Opti on May 25, 2019 13:57:13 GMT -5
I have yet to meet a black person that feels the way you do.
just sayin.
I was going to disagree with Opt4 until I got to the last paragraph. I still think white skin has it better than black skin but a penis wins over a vagina first. In some instances, black skin with a vagina wins over white skin w/ a vagina. I'm on my second round of an ignorant black woman younger than me trying to lesson me and perhaps remove or lessen my employment because they want to place all black women where I am and where any other white woman might be. The front desk where I work has been mixed, and right now is staffed by three white women over 50, I being one of them and middle in age. One of the black women hired during the second to last time I had a black woman boss, is still there, but partly because she was good, spent her entire career in healthcare, and most importantly was good at a skill that they desperately needed. There were negotiations for awhile before she got the position she has now, which wasn't exactly what she wanted. (That is somewhat unnecessary info, unless you knew she is somewhat a doppleganger of mine and born I think in 1959 or 1958.) Healthcare used to be the landing place of Filipinos. Now it is home to many of those black immigrants whether from Haiti, Ethopia, Nigeria or even France. There are times I am an obvious minority. Where I work has been very crazed since 2014, so many of the good people of color are long gone unless they have been there less than a couple years or have a patron. My situation is not everyone's situation, I know this. What this board does not know, I think, is that I am not the only white woman who has been targeted for departure by mgmt, for reasons I still do not know. Bronx rules?
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Post by Opti on May 25, 2019 14:00:57 GMT -5
I have yet to meet a black person that feels the way you do.
just sayin.
x1000 I want to point out Trump is still selling the idea that the Russia investigation is about deposing him as elected President. He feels that way, but he is wrong ... just saying. Note: Circumstances are local and individual. Plus it depends which time period one judges.
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Post by Opti on May 25, 2019 14:04:09 GMT -5
I have yet to meet a black person that feels the way you do.
just sayin.
I was going to disagree with Opt4 until I got to the last paragraph. I still think white skin has it better than black skin but a penis wins over a vagina first. White skin makes you more mobile and I think in general its easier to get around unless of course say I wander into Harlem or other places. Then a being a white woman might be more of a risk than being a white man. In general, I think our society has decided gender is more important than race. Which might be why the transgender thing is so heated. I don't care much about what gender you are, unless I date you, I care more about who you are as a person. Sadly, I think this view is not very common.
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Post by laterbloomer on May 25, 2019 21:55:21 GMT -5
I have yet to meet a black person that feels the way you do.
just sayin.
I don't think they would. They haven't lived my life and I don't think many appreciate the sacrifices someone like Hillary had to make top be where she is. One of the two PITAs at work is a young twentyish woman from France. She once told one of my bosses that she didn't believe white people could be poor. This is just a sample of some of the ignorance I fight on a daily basis in a healthcare facility. To me, cool people are cool people. I'd have to know your full story to evaluate with any sense whether you had it worse than me. (Me and the poorish white woman boss laughed and cried at that.) I was born in 1960. I am not RBG, but if you will perhaps generation next. We took it on the chin too, it was just less obvious. In my lifetime many things have changed simultaneously including the status of blacks, white women, and the changing landscape of information technology, i.e. computers, to smart watches, etc. Black people rarely have to worry about Uncle Toms that much, i.e. unlike feminists now and 1960 on, there aren't many black publications spouting how good they all have it and to stop whining. Bit different if you are a white woman in a non traditional field, and a non traditional woman/female as well. This reminds me of the saying "white privilege does not mean you've never had difficulties, it means your skin colour isn't one of them" As for the highlighted part, I think you just don't notice it. Either because it doesn't pertain to you or you aren't reading the magazines targeted at black people or watching black celebrities. There are a few that tell black people to quit whining.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 27, 2019 18:17:47 GMT -5
I was going to disagree with Opt4 until I got to the last paragraph. I still think white skin has it better than black skin but a penis wins over a vagina first. White skin makes you more mobile and I think in general its easier to get around unless of course say I wander into Harlem or other places. Then a being a white woman might be more of a risk than being a white man. In general, I think our society has decided gender is more important than race. Which might be why the transgender thing is so heated. I don't care much about what gender you are, unless I date you, I care more about who you are as a person. Sadly, I think this view is not very common. Opti- I think we understood you perfectly the first time. there was no need for all of the "fill in".
I stand by my initial reply. the exception in no way proves the rule.
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