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Post by thyme4change on Nov 24, 2020 11:22:54 GMT -5
So apparently Trump is embarrassed about how Giuliani looked at his bat shit my-face-is-melting press conference last week, and finally realizing this plan to overthrow the election is a dead end. He’s apparently admitting Biden won and placing the blame for the whole recount thing on Giuliani. Well we can’t expect him to admit responsibility for this shit show himself. At least he finally got to this point, however long it takes. He should be embarrassed. I'm glad he finally got there. Rudy has been embarrassingly bat shit crazy on Trump’s behalf for a few years. Welcome, Donald, to the chamber of obvious.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 24, 2020 11:35:14 GMT -5
So apparently Trump is embarrassed about how Giuliani looked at his bat shit my-face-is-melting press conference last week, and finally realizing this plan to overthrow the election is a dead end. He’s apparently admitting Biden won and placing the blame for the whole recount thing on Giuliani. Well we can’t expect him to admit responsibility for this shit show himself. At least he finally got to this point, however long it takes. He should be embarrassed. I'm glad he finally got there. Rudy has been embarrassingly bat shit crazy on Trump’s behalf for a few years. Welcome, Donald, to the chamber of obvious. If Trump should stop to think about it, it was Rudy’s poking and prodding in the Ukraine that ultimately led to Trumps impeachment. A smarter man would have dropped Giuliani at that point.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 24, 2020 11:39:50 GMT -5
I think Trump needs loyalty and toadying so much he ends up scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of quality.
A loyal servant will go to the gallows with you. A smart servant will make sure you don’t end up on the gallows in the first place.
Not that I think Trump is capable of such inner reflection but he can be the bad example for the rest of us.
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Post by oped on Nov 24, 2020 12:46:05 GMT -5
Once you understand the nature of malignant narcissism, all Trump is and does is clear.
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Post by saveinla on Nov 24, 2020 16:13:42 GMT -5
This is a funny thread from twitter - about Trump and a turkey in 2018 - seems prophetic
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Post by tallguy on Nov 24, 2020 17:06:36 GMT -5
This is a funny thread from twitter - about Trump and a turkey in 2018 - seems prophetic Carrots are...orange, right? Prophetic indeed.
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Post by flan327 on Nov 24, 2020 17:23:03 GMT -5
I hated Melania's coat
Still do
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 28, 2020 10:12:35 GMT -5
Money well spent. Trump spent $3 million for a vote recount in Wisconsin's largest county to support his baseless claim of ballot fraud but lost by even more than initially thoughtPresident-elect Joe Biden gained votes in Wisconsin after Trump's election campaign demanded a recount earlier this month. Milwaukee County, one of the state's most populous counties, found on Friday that Biden made a total net gain of 132 votes out of nearly 460,000 votes cast. The Trump administration spent $3 million to request two recounts in Milwaukee and Dane counties, both of which have large numbers of Democrat voters. Dane County is expected to announce its recount results on Sunday. Trump has carried on pushing unproven claims of widespread voter fraud. Article here: Trump spent $3 million for a vote recount in Wisconsin's largest county to support his baseless claim of ballot fraud but lost by even more than initially thought
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Post by iono1 on Nov 28, 2020 20:33:42 GMT -5
More losses than the New York Jets: www.cnn.com/2020/11/28/politics/pennsylvania-state-supreme-court-election-case/index.htmlThe Pennsylvania Supreme Court dismissed a lawsuit Saturday night from US Rep. Mike Kelly and other Republicans, after they had tried to invalidate absentee voting and block the certification of votes in recent weeks. The dismissal adds to a growing number of losses in court for Republicans and supporters of President Donald Trump, who have tried to attack voting systems in the wake of President-elect Joe Biden's victory. The lawsuits have failed almost uniformly. The court was unanimous in deciding against Kelly and others, and refusing to block vote certification on Saturday. Five of the seven judges wrote that they believed the lawsuit had been filed far too late, a year after absentee voting procedures had been established in the state and weeks after millions of Pennsylvanians voted in good faith.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 29, 2020 5:13:49 GMT -5
our fragile democracy teeters on the edge of an increasingly undermined judicial system. let's all hold a good thought for how the next few years go in the Senate.
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Post by deminmaine on Nov 29, 2020 6:56:38 GMT -5
our fragile democracy teeters on the edge of an increasingly undermined judicial system. let's all hold a good thought for how the next few years go in the Senate. Excellent point. We are seeing now just how fragile and precious democracy is. We all have a tendency to go back to our corners after such a time as this, but we must stay active and stay vigilant in our own localities and our own ways to help protect our system. We all too often take it for granted, but there are always those who would harm it for their own ends.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 29, 2020 10:26:33 GMT -5
Good questioning of an assumption about presidential campaigns: Comparing Trump campaign stops over the last two weeks of the race to election results shows that in the overwhelming majority of cases, Trump underperformed his 2016 margins in the counties he visited, in some cases by large amounts. Trump underperformed in most counties where he held large rallies Is it unique to 2020 and/or Trump? Was it the fly in, short appearance, fly out nature of the visits (which could be seen as insincere)? I think it is something that campaign professionals are going to have fun looking at for the future.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 29, 2020 10:49:32 GMT -5
Good questioning of an assumption about presidential campaigns: Comparing Trump campaign stops over the last two weeks of the race to election results shows that in the overwhelming majority of cases, Trump underperformed his 2016 margins in the counties he visited, in some cases by large amounts. Trump underperformed in most counties where he held large rallies Is it unique to 2020 and/or Trump? Was it the fly in, short appearance, fly out nature of the visits (which could be seen as insincere)? I think it is something that campaign professionals are going to have fun looking at for the future. I wonder if COVID was a factor - any people worried about COVID (including GOP people) would not be happy about having a big Trump rally/super spreader event in their county. Might have lost him some local support from the elderly/scientific minded GOP voters.
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Post by mary2029 on Nov 29, 2020 15:26:28 GMT -5
I thought his worse conspiracy (unbelievable that I am grading conspiracy theories uttered by POTUS) was that the FBI and DOJ are involved in the "rigged" election. link
ETA: Oh, I see Tbop already posted this on the Presidential Behaviour thread.
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Post by Opti on Nov 29, 2020 22:16:43 GMT -5
Good questioning of an assumption about presidential campaigns: Comparing Trump campaign stops over the last two weeks of the race to election results shows that in the overwhelming majority of cases, Trump underperformed his 2016 margins in the counties he visited, in some cases by large amounts. Trump underperformed in most counties where he held large rallies Is it unique to 2020 and/or Trump? Was it the fly in, short appearance, fly out nature of the visits (which could be seen as insincere)? I think it is something that campaign professionals are going to have fun looking at for the future. I wonder if COVID was a factor - any people worried about COVID (including GOP people) would not be happy about having a big Trump rally/super spreader event in their county. Might have lost him some local support from the elderly/scientific minded GOP voters. I don't know why Trump rallies would be a turning point given DT has been anti-mask almost the entire time. No one makes you go to Trump rallies, and if you don't want to wear a mask it is possible to avoid places that require it. Sure he may have lost some support from people who didn't want to die of Covid, but that should have been true for months by now. Trump won by a very small margin in several states last time. One, Wisconsin, has themselves to blame, or more specifically blacks and others in the Milwaukee area who supported Obama but not Hillary, and thought what the heck, why should *I* vote. Now they know, so they turned out. In 2016, they mastered electoral math by winning enough states even by small margins to get more than the votes needed to get the win. Its common from what I've noticed is that most Presidents have better vote totals in their first term than in the second term, if they win one.
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Post by Opti on Nov 29, 2020 22:21:13 GMT -5
It appears one of the reasons he really wanted to be President was the false belief that the President could get away with anything. Has he gone as south as Rudi? He was alive during when Bill Clinton was impeached AND Paula sued him while he was President. Sometimes wishing it was so and saying it is so, do not work.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 1, 2020 6:42:31 GMT -5
IOKIYAAR
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Post by oped on Dec 1, 2020 8:49:43 GMT -5
It’s ok if you are a Republican.
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Post by flan327 on Dec 1, 2020 8:58:06 GMT -5
It’s ok if you are a Republican. Thanks
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 1, 2020 10:04:59 GMT -5
It’s ok if you are a Republican. I guess that’s why it’s ok for the GOP senator to be outraged at Biden’s OMB pick - she tweeted mean things about them in the past. 🙄
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Dec 1, 2020 12:19:30 GMT -5
It’s ok if you are a Republican. I guess that’s why it’s ok for the GOP senator to be outraged at Biden’s OMB pick - she tweeted mean things about them in the past. 🙄 Well she's also a woman. Women are being bitchy if we call out other people's crap. Trump is a manly man telling it like it is. I rolled my eyes so hard I could see my brain when I read about the "outrage" of male Republicans over her tweets.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 1, 2020 16:21:20 GMT -5
Giuliani is said to have discussed a possible pardon with Trump.Rudolph W. Giuliani, President Trump’s lawyer who has led the most extensive efforts to damage his client’s political rivals and undermine the election results, discussed with the president as recently as last week the possibility of receiving a pre-emptive pardon before Mr. Trump leaves office, according to two people told of the discussion. It was not clear who raised the topic. The men have also talked previously about a pardon for Mr. Giuliani, according to the people. Mr. Trump has not indicated what he will do, one of the people said. Mr. Giuliani’s potential criminal exposure is unclear. He was under investigation as recently as last summer by federal prosecutors in Manhattan for his business dealings in Ukraine and his role in ousting the American ambassador there, a plot that was at the heart of the impeachment of Mr. Trump. Mr. Giuliani did not respond to a message seeking comment. Christianne Allen, his spokeswoman, said, “Mayor Giuliani cannot comment on any discussions that he has with his client.” Mr. Giuliani’s lawyer, Robert Costello, said, “He’s not concerned about this investigation, because he didn’t do anything wrong and that’s been our position from Day 1.” Rest of article here: Giuliani is said to have discussed a possible pardon with Trump.
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Post by flan327 on Dec 1, 2020 18:40:49 GMT -5
I guess that’s why it’s ok for the GOP senator to be outraged at Biden’s OMB pick - she tweeted mean things about them in the past. 🙄 Well she's also a woman. Women are being bitchy if we call out other people's crap. Trump is a manly man telling it like it is. I rolled my eyes so hard I could see my brain when I read about the "outrage" of male Republicans over her tweets. I am proud to be a "bitch" IF THAT WORD MEANS A STRONG WOMAN YMMV
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Post by pulmonarymd on Dec 1, 2020 18:48:11 GMT -5
Why let facts interfere with delusions. And don’t be silly. If these machines worked properly, he would have won by more
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 2, 2020 11:16:39 GMT -5
Trump’s Racist Urban Myth Hides His Suburban FailuresPresident Trump has blamed nearly everyone but himself for his loss in Georgia in November, the first time a GOP presidential candidate has ceded the state to a Democrat since 1992. But beyond his feud with local Republicans, he has repeatedly — and without evidence — focused his ire on alleged fraud and corruption in Atlanta. The fact that a more decisive rebuke of his presidency came from the suburban counties around the city caps off a campaign marked by its demagoguery against Black urbanites — and a misreading of the suburbs that probably didn’t help his odds but did provide an easy racist scapegoat and so will outlast his defeat. Shortly after Thanksgiving, Trump tweeted that “Biden did poorly in big cities (Politico), except those of Detroit (more votes than people!), Philadelphia, Atlanta and Milwaukee, which he had to win. Not surprisingly, they are all located in the most important swing states, and are long known for being politically corrupt!” As has been widely analyzed, the president homed in on these metropoles not just because they were among the biggest sources of anti-Trump votes but because they contain large Black populations (Atlanta and Detroit are both majority Black) and so fit a timeworn narrative of Black fecklessness and criminality. He telegraphed this approach long before the election. As protests against police violence roiled cities and towns over the summer, Trump cast them as emblematic of urban misrule that was poised to invade, and ultimately destroy, the suburbs. If the racial subtext wasn’t evident then, it became so when Trump started using an integrationist federal housing policy as his main example. “Sleepy Joe Biden has pledged to abolish Suburban Communites [sic] as they currently exist by reinstating Obama’s radical AFFH [Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing] Regulation,” Trump tweeted on September 8. “There goes Suburbia!” Two days later, he added, “If I don’t win, America’s Suburbs will be overrun with Low Income Projects.” Complete article here: Trump’s Racist Urban Myth Hides His Suburban Failures
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