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Post by NastyWoman on Sept 11, 2020 15:03:15 GMT -5
I told the guy if it hadn't been for pelosi he would have had no stimulus and no health care. They have no idea, I didn't get the chance to tell him much more but what trump is doing to the military and how he made fun of a disabled reporter. He was all bent out of shape about her tearing up the state of the union. Not a good moment but I understand why she did it, but probably should have not. .. Meh, if you allow a little paraphrasing this was a matter of "TRASHES TO TRASHES"
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 11, 2020 16:32:18 GMT -5
This election is so hard to predict. With Covid things are so different from past elections. I just read a poll where Biden is ahead with college students, not a surprise. But college students have an earned reputation for not voting and this year a number of them are home, because their classes are online. I am not sure if them being home is good, bad, or indifferent as far as getting them to vote, but it is different. I also think Covid has forced some young people to move, as they couldn't afford their rent. Have they updated their voter registration? I have given it some thought, and I think it is GOOD. college is a far more distracting environment than home.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 13, 2020 11:39:50 GMT -5
Interesting theory about soft Trump voters. thehill.com/opinion/campaign/516140-why-trumps-approval-numbers-may-be-softIn the privacy of the voting booth or at home when voting by mail-in ballot, no one will see or need to know how a Trump supporter votes. There, the COVID-19 catastrophe, Trump’s habitual lying, and his multiple failures and transgressions will likely outweigh the need to defend him. And just as Americans voted for Trump in 2016 after telling pollsters they wouldn’t, voters may very well vote for Joe Biden in 2020 after telling pollsters they’d vote for Trump.
Hopefully this guy is onto something.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 13, 2020 11:50:26 GMT -5
Interesting theory about soft Trump voters. thehill.com/opinion/campaign/516140-why-trumps-approval-numbers-may-be-softIn the privacy of the voting booth or at home when voting by mail-in ballot, no one will see or need to know how a Trump supporter votes. There, the COVID-19 catastrophe, Trump’s habitual lying, and his multiple failures and transgressions will likely outweigh the need to defend him. And just as Americans voted for Trump in 2016 after telling pollsters they wouldn’t, voters may very well vote for Joe Biden in 2020 after telling pollsters they’d vote for Trump.
Hopefully this guy is onto something. For many people like @x who are basically decent human beings and love this country, I think this will be the case. It is why I think it is not a good idea to be as demeaning and insulting as President Trump. It gives them an excuse to vote for him.
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Interesting theory about soft Trump voters. thehill.com/opinion/campaign/516140-why-trumps-approval-numbers-may-be-softIn the privacy of the voting booth or at home when voting by mail-in ballot, no one will see or need to know how a Trump supporter votes. There, the COVID-19 catastrophe, Trump’s habitual lying, and his multiple failures and transgressions will likely outweigh the need to defend him. And just as Americans voted for Trump in 2016 after telling pollsters they wouldn’t, voters may very well vote for Joe Biden in 2020 after telling pollsters they’d vote for Trump.
Hopefully this guy is onto something. For many people like @x who are basically decent human beings and love this country, I think this will be the case. It is why I think it is not a good idea to be as demeaning and insulting as President Trump. It gives them an excuse to vote for him. Good call, i see the longtime posting style of someone like happyhoix and think "I would vote for someone she thinks is the best choice?" We already have that personality in the office. Looks like I continue to vote for less globalism, judge's, sans the personality quotient.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 13, 2020 12:38:26 GMT -5
For many people like @x who are basically decent human beings and love this country, I think this will be the case. It is why I think it is not a good idea to be as demeaning and insulting as President Trump. It gives them an excuse to vote for him. Good call, i see the longtime posting style of someone like happyhoix and think "I would vote for someone she thinks is the best choice?" We already have that personality in the office. Looks like I continue to vote for less globalism, judge's, sans the personality quotient.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 13, 2020 13:18:23 GMT -5
Interesting theory about soft Trump voters. thehill.com/opinion/campaign/516140-why-trumps-approval-numbers-may-be-softIn the privacy of the voting booth or at home when voting by mail-in ballot, no one will see or need to know how a Trump supporter votes. There, the COVID-19 catastrophe, Trump’s habitual lying, and his multiple failures and transgressions will likely outweigh the need to defend him. And just as Americans voted for Trump in 2016 after telling pollsters they wouldn’t, voters may very well vote for Joe Biden in 2020 after telling pollsters they’d vote for Trump.
Hopefully this guy is onto something. Unfortunately, that logic can work the other way too. My mom can say that Trump is a grotesque dolt all day and all night, but when she pulls the curtain, she can pull out her racist tendencies and vote T.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 13, 2020 13:56:27 GMT -5
Interesting theory about soft Trump voters. thehill.com/opinion/campaign/516140-why-trumps-approval-numbers-may-be-softIn the privacy of the voting booth or at home when voting by mail-in ballot, no one will see or need to know how a Trump supporter votes. There, the COVID-19 catastrophe, Trump’s habitual lying, and his multiple failures and transgressions will likely outweigh the need to defend him. And just as Americans voted for Trump in 2016 after telling pollsters they wouldn’t, voters may very well vote for Joe Biden in 2020 after telling pollsters they’d vote for Trump.
Hopefully this guy is onto something. Unfortunately, that logic can work the other way too. My mom can say that Trump is a grotesque dolt all day and all night, but when she pulls the curtain, she can pull out her racist tendencies and vote T. The article talks about how psychologically hard it is for someone who has thrown their whole support behind a presidential candidate to admit they made a mistake. I've had the exact same experience many times in life, not in politics, but when I got that new haircut I was sure would be attractive (and didn't want to admit I looked like a singed poodle) or probably the worst instance, when I was blindly enthusiastic about a house that later turned out to be a money pit. The more you insist you like something that's turning out to be a bad idea, it's gets harder and harder to admit you made a mistake. There maybe Trump voters who would insist to a pollster they still adore the president but in the quiet of the voting booth, vote otherwise. So far we don't have buyer's remorse about Biden because he hasn't been president yet, but if he wins, four years from now we may be disappointed, too. But I do agree with your premise that some supposed Biden supporters might vote their inner racist. There are still some people who don't want to advertise their racism.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2020 14:35:45 GMT -5
Interesting theory about soft Trump voters. thehill.com/opinion/campaign/516140-why-trumps-approval-numbers-may-be-softIn the privacy of the voting booth or at home when voting by mail-in ballot, no one will see or need to know how a Trump supporter votes. There, the COVID-19 catastrophe, Trump’s habitual lying, and his multiple failures and transgressions will likely outweigh the need to defend him. And just as Americans voted for Trump in 2016 after telling pollsters they wouldn’t, voters may very well vote for Joe Biden in 2020 after telling pollsters they’d vote for Trump.
Hopefully this guy is onto something. I would feel better about that if it were an accurate portrayal of what happened.
what this paragraph implies is that people who responded to pollsters one way voted another. there is no indication that this is true, and it continues the false narrative that the polling in 2016 got it wrong. that is a dangerous narrative to believe, imo.
the polling was quite accurate in 2016. more accurate than 2012. but what pollsters failed to account for was what happened with the UNDECIDED vote in 2016. that vote was almost 15% of the electorate in some states, due to the distaste for BOTH candidates.
2020 is entirely different. Trump's supporters are not indifferent about him- not undecided. they would march over a stack of Covid19 dead to vote for him. and likewise, his detractors would do the same to vote against him. furthermore, Biden is far less DISLIKED than Clinton.
this is going to be way different than 2016, imo. I think this analysis (above) is totally wrong.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2020 14:39:29 GMT -5
Unfortunately, that logic can work the other way too. My mom can say that Trump is a grotesque dolt all day and all night, but when she pulls the curtain, she can pull out her racist tendencies and vote T. The article talks about how psychologically hard it is for someone who has thrown their whole support behind a presidential candidate to admit they made a mistake. I've had the exact same experience many times in life, not in politics, but when I got that new haircut I was sure would be attractive (and didn't want to admit I looked like a singed poodle) or probably the worst instance, when I was blindly enthusiastic about a house that later turned out to be a money pit. The more you insist you like something that's turning out to be a bad idea, it's gets harder and harder to admit you made a mistake. There maybe Trump voters who would insist to a pollster they still adore the president but in the quiet of the voting booth, vote otherwise. So far we don't have buyer's remorse about Biden because he hasn't been president yet, but if he wins, four years from now we may be disappointed, too. But I do agree with your premise that some supposed Biden supporters might vote their inner racist. There are still some people who don't want to advertise their racism. maybe. but let me ask you this:
what are the EXPECTATIONS of Biden? that he behave like an adult? that he only lie 1/4 of the time, rather than 3/4? that he not pursue his own interests at the expense of the nation's?
I think the bar is so low for Biden that he is a shoo in for a second term.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 13, 2020 15:00:02 GMT -5
The article talks about how psychologically hard it is for someone who has thrown their whole support behind a presidential candidate to admit they made a mistake. I've had the exact same experience many times in life, not in politics, but when I got that new haircut I was sure would be attractive (and didn't want to admit I looked like a singed poodle) or probably the worst instance, when I was blindly enthusiastic about a house that later turned out to be a money pit. The more you insist you like something that's turning out to be a bad idea, it's gets harder and harder to admit you made a mistake. There maybe Trump voters who would insist to a pollster they still adore the president but in the quiet of the voting booth, vote otherwise. So far we don't have buyer's remorse about Biden because he hasn't been president yet, but if he wins, four years from now we may be disappointed, too. But I do agree with your premise that some supposed Biden supporters might vote their inner racist. There are still some people who don't want to advertise their racism. maybe. but let me ask you this:
what are the EXPECTATIONS of Biden? that he behave like an adult? that he only lie 1/4 of the time, rather than 3/4? that he not pursue his own interests at the expense of the nation's?
I think the bar is so low for Biden that he is a shoo in for a second term.
I won't give Biden a second teem yet (heck, or even a first term). But I will say that anything boring and dignified will satisfy me. John Mulany did a bit where he said somrthing to the effect of.... I'm not a political comedian. I have always felt like most of the Presidents sit up there and seem to know what they are doing, so I just leave them alone. But this guy.... It was a good summary for someone like me who only kinda cared before. I have definitely agreed with some presidents more than others, but I didn't even bother hating W. All the cool kids were hating him. It would have been easy to join in. I even defended him a few times. But, for the most part, I trusted he had more information than me and was doing what he thought was the right thing for the country. I don't trust that DT has the information, because he neither reads nor listens to experts. And I don't trust that he cares about the country more than himself. So, Biden won't have to do much for me to be "okay" with him.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 13, 2020 16:26:39 GMT -5
The article talks about how psychologically hard it is for someone who has thrown their whole support behind a presidential candidate to admit they made a mistake. I've had the exact same experience many times in life, not in politics, but when I got that new haircut I was sure would be attractive (and didn't want to admit I looked like a singed poodle) or probably the worst instance, when I was blindly enthusiastic about a house that later turned out to be a money pit. The more you insist you like something that's turning out to be a bad idea, it's gets harder and harder to admit you made a mistake. There maybe Trump voters who would insist to a pollster they still adore the president but in the quiet of the voting booth, vote otherwise. So far we don't have buyer's remorse about Biden because he hasn't been president yet, but if he wins, four years from now we may be disappointed, too. But I do agree with your premise that some supposed Biden supporters might vote their inner racist. There are still some people who don't want to advertise their racism. maybe. but let me ask you this:
what are the EXPECTATIONS of Biden? that he behave like an adult? that he only lie 1/4 of the time, rather than 3/4? that he not pursue his own interests at the expense of the nation's?
I think the bar is so low for Biden that he is a shoo in for a second term.
I agree with Thyme. My hope for Biden is I can read the political news without cringing or being enraged. Boring and predictable is all I ask. Biden could be a disaster, though. Maybe he makes some really bad picks for the cabinet and they turn out to be really corrupt. After all, Grant was a nice guy too, but relied on really shitty advisors. It could happen. But compared to the known grift and corruption going on in the current WH, it would be hard to top that.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 14, 2020 9:20:18 GMT -5
maybe. but let me ask you this:
what are the EXPECTATIONS of Biden? that he behave like an adult? that he only lie 1/4 of the time, rather than 3/4? that he not pursue his own interests at the expense of the nation's?
I think the bar is so low for Biden that he is a shoo in for a second term.
I agree with Thyme. My hope for Biden is I can read the political news without cringing or being enraged. Boring and predictable is all I ask. Biden could be a disaster, though. Maybe he makes some really bad picks for the cabinet and they turn out to be really corrupt. After all, Grant was a nice guy too, but relied on really shitty advisors. It could happen. But compared to the known grift and corruption going on in the current WH, it would be hard to top that. Coming into leadership of this shit show won't be easy. I know Obama took over a disaster economy. But that meant he had to focus on the economy. The next President is coming in to a mess in just about everything. Solving a pandemic, calming race relations, re-establishing trust in core institutions, recovering from natural disasters and solving the economy - all while half the country's anger is fueled by conspiracy theories and rumors of a fixed election - good luck.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 14, 2020 10:53:51 GMT -5
I think he simply got it confused with the Squeal of Pigs Award.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 14, 2020 10:59:00 GMT -5
I know there is no such award but if there were there would be a logic to President Trump receiving an award named for a failed mission.
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Post by dondub on Sept 14, 2020 11:19:32 GMT -5
I think he simply got it confused with the Squeal of Pigs Award. The Squeal Like A Pig Award. 🐷 Now if we can only get some deliverance.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 14, 2020 12:41:12 GMT -5
Oh, give Trump a break. You know he doesn’t believe it’s useful to read history.
Or read anything, actually.
We should count ourselves lucky he didn’t say he got the Babe the Pig award.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 14, 2020 12:55:33 GMT -5
Oh, give Trump a break. You know he doesn’t believe it’s useful to read history. Or read anything, actually. We should count ourselves lucky he didn’t say he got the Babe the Pig award. Give him time. It’s not out of the question. Someone just hasn’t mentioned it to him yet.
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Isn't trump precious. trump didn't think Nevada's 50 person at a gather cap didn't apply to him. trump truly believes he is above the law. Trump ignores science at dangerous indoor rally(CNN)President Donald Trump offered a glaring new example of his refusal to put medical science before politics with a large indoor rally Sunday night that made a mockery of social distancing, while the pandemic he mismanaged has now claimed more than 194,000 American lives. The event in Nevada -- his second rally in the state in as many days -- did not only risk the health of those present, thousands of whom were packed together inside a manufacturing facility in defiance of the state's ban on local gatherings of 50 people or more. It also has the potential to turn into a super spreader event that could seed Covid-19 outbreaks in the wider community. Trump hadn't held an indoor rally in nearly three months, since his last one, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, after which the city saw a surge in cases and multiple campaign staffers along with Secret Service agents tested positive for the virus. Trump later claimed in an interview with the Las Vegas Review-Journal that he didn't think he was subject to the 50-person gathering cap -- and attacked Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak, a Democrat, for making it "impossible" to hold an outdoor rally. The jarring scenes of the indoor event clashed with footage from the first weekend of NFL games that went ahead in cavernous empty stadiums, reflecting how almost alone the President, who might be expected to set an example, is responsible for the most dangerous breaches of his own government's coronavirus recommendations. Complete article here: Trump ignores science at dangerous indoor rally
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Isn't trump precious. trump didn't think Nevada's 50 person at a gather cap didn't apply to him. trump truly believes he is above the law. Trump ignores science at dangerous indoor rally(CNN)President Donald Trump offered a glaring new example of his refusal to put medical science before politics with a large indoor rally Sunday night that made a mockery of social distancing, while the pandemic he mismanaged has now claimed more than 194,000 American lives. The event in Nevada -- his second rally in the state in as many days -- did not only risk the health of those present, thousands of whom were packed together inside a manufacturing facility in defiance of the state's ban on local gatherings of 50 people or more. It also has the potential to turn into a super spreader event that could seed Covid-19 outbreaks in the wider community. Trump hadn't held an indoor rally in nearly three months, since his last one, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, after which the city saw a surge in cases and multiple campaign staffers along with Secret Service agents tested positive for the virus. Trump later claimed in an interview with the Las Vegas Review-Journal that he didn't think he was subject to the 50-person gathering cap -- and attacked Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak, a Democrat, for making it "impossible" to hold an outdoor rally. The jarring scenes of the indoor event clashed with footage from the first weekend of NFL games that went ahead in cavernous empty stadiums, reflecting how almost alone the President, who might be expected to set an example, is responsible for the most dangerous breaches of his own government's coronavirus recommendations. Complete article here: Trump ignores science at dangerous indoor rallyI actually don't know how they can apply restrictions on protests, church or political rallies. They seem like the most protected forms of assembly. Or at least how they could restrict those three differently. I'm all for BLM, but if those protests were allowed, I'm not sure how Trump’s assembly can be stopped.
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Isn't trump precious. trump didn't think Nevada's 50 person at a gather cap didn't apply to him. trump truly believes he is above the law. Trump ignores science at dangerous indoor rally(CNN)President Donald Trump offered a glaring new example of his refusal to put medical science before politics with a large indoor rally Sunday night that made a mockery of social distancing, while the pandemic he mismanaged has now claimed more than 194,000 American lives. The event in Nevada -- his second rally in the state in as many days -- did not only risk the health of those present, thousands of whom were packed together inside a manufacturing facility in defiance of the state's ban on local gatherings of 50 people or more. It also has the potential to turn into a super spreader event that could seed Covid-19 outbreaks in the wider community. Trump hadn't held an indoor rally in nearly three months, since his last one, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, after which the city saw a surge in cases and multiple campaign staffers along with Secret Service agents tested positive for the virus. Trump later claimed in an interview with the Las Vegas Review-Journal that he didn't think he was subject to the 50-person gathering cap -- and attacked Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak, a Democrat, for making it "impossible" to hold an outdoor rally. The jarring scenes of the indoor event clashed with footage from the first weekend of NFL games that went ahead in cavernous empty stadiums, reflecting how almost alone the President, who might be expected to set an example, is responsible for the most dangerous breaches of his own government's coronavirus recommendations. Complete article here: Trump ignores science at dangerous indoor rallyI actually don't know how they can apply restrictions on protests, church or political rallies. They seem like the most protected forms of assembly. Or at least how they could restrict those three differently. I'm all for BLM, but if those protests were allowed, I'm not sure how Trump’s assembly can be stopped. There is distancing in outdoor protests. There is distancing in outdoor church services. There is no distancing inside a building like where trump eventually had his rally with everyone crammed inside.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 14, 2020 16:30:38 GMT -5
Isn't trump precious. trump didn't think Nevada's 50 person at a gather cap didn't apply to him. trump truly believes he is above the law. Trump ignores science at dangerous indoor rally(CNN)President Donald Trump offered a glaring new example of his refusal to put medical science before politics with a large indoor rally Sunday night that made a mockery of social distancing, while the pandemic he mismanaged has now claimed more than 194,000 American lives. The event in Nevada -- his second rally in the state in as many days -- did not only risk the health of those present, thousands of whom were packed together inside a manufacturing facility in defiance of the state's ban on local gatherings of 50 people or more. It also has the potential to turn into a super spreader event that could seed Covid-19 outbreaks in the wider community. Trump hadn't held an indoor rally in nearly three months, since his last one, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, after which the city saw a surge in cases and multiple campaign staffers along with Secret Service agents tested positive for the virus. Trump later claimed in an interview with the Las Vegas Review-Journal that he didn't think he was subject to the 50-person gathering cap -- and attacked Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak, a Democrat, for making it "impossible" to hold an outdoor rally. The jarring scenes of the indoor event clashed with footage from the first weekend of NFL games that went ahead in cavernous empty stadiums, reflecting how almost alone the President, who might be expected to set an example, is responsible for the most dangerous breaches of his own government's coronavirus recommendations. Complete article here: Trump ignores science at dangerous indoor rallyI actually don't know how they can apply restrictions on protests, church or political rallies. They seem like the most protected forms of assembly. Or at least how they could restrict those three differently. I'm all for BLM, but if those protests were allowed, I'm not sure how Trump’s assembly can be stopped. It's the difference between indoor congregation and outdoor congregation. Trump's rallys have been held outside, in places where you can get some distancing. This was in a factory, there was no distancing and very few masks. Churches have rules for those that are open in that they limit the number of people allowed in at one time, and there are rules as to distancing and masks. Protests happen outside, where you have fewer problems (and in most of the protests I've seen, masks were the rule, not the exception). Political rallies have NOT been curtailed for Trump. His last few have been outside of Air Force One on flight lines. This rally was in a factory.
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Senate Republicans signal openness to working with Biden --"There would be opportunities. ... The one thing about having a divided government, it forces people to come together and some of the best and biggest accomplishments in our history have been accomplished during a time of divided government," Thune said. --Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said he would be willing to try to help Biden cut legislative deals, though he questioned if Democrats, who are expected to keep control of the House, would go along. "It's hard to project what the attitudes would be in the House, but I would try to help him," Graham said. Unless Mitch decides to overturn the will of the people like he did with President Obama: "He's the problem. You know when he announced 'one-term Obama' right off the bat, he was pretty clear he would do nothing to help. ... He's had a scorched-earth approach for a long time," Durbin said, referring to McConnell's remarks in 2010 about ensuring Obama was a one-term president. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-republicans-signal-openness-to-working-with-biden/ar-BB197f8w?ocid=msedgntp
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As of Sept 15th Georgia is running for Biden with + six points on Five Thirty Eight
Holy macaroni Batman! Never thought I would see that in this state.
My senator looks to be leaning to the incumbent friend of the billionaire Perdue by 5 points right now, though. Can’t have everything I guess.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 17, 2020 11:32:31 GMT -5
As of Sept 15th Georgia is running for Biden with + six points on Five Thirty Eight Holy macaroni Batman! Never thought I would see that in this state. My senator looks to be leaning to the incumbent friend of the billionaire Perdue by 5 points right now, though. Can’t have everything I guess. HarrisX is not a very reliable poll. the OTHER polling in this race is very close.
again: this will come down to turnout. if women, particularly women of color, turn out in this election, Biden has a good chance of winning. this is also true in Texas.
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how appropriate that the conversation turned back to polling. I came in here to share this article on polling, written by a friend of mine. it was a good read. link
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