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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 1, 2020 16:06:43 GMT -5
to be clear, by "good" I mean accurate. I don't take sides on polls.
again, if you look at the data, I would rate FL and AZ as both "lean democrat" right now. but that can change, for sure. this race could still be very close.
edit: having said that, if the election were held today, Trump would lose by at least 150EV.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 4, 2020 8:43:30 GMT -5
I saw parts of that interview. When asked why he didn’t attend Lewis’ funeral recently, trump said it was because Lewis didn’t go to his inauguration. Guess who was there? Three former presidents including Bush jr. Lewis boycotted Bush’s first inauguration, too, and yet somehow Bush was not only able to attend the funeral, he gave a nice speech. Class. Trump has none. But he has a gold crapper, so we already knew that.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 4, 2020 9:41:27 GMT -5
I saw parts of that interview. When asked why he didn’t attend Lewis’ funeral recently, trump said it was because Lewis didn’t go to his inauguration. Guess who was there? Three former presidents including Bush jr. Lewis boycotted Bush’s first inauguration, too, and yet somehow Bush was not only able to attend the funeral, he gave a nice speech. Class. Trump has none. But he has a gold crapper, so we already knew that. Saw bits and pieces of trump's petty grievance interview. I was surprised not to see trump whip out his Sharpie pen to alter the charts he brought to the interview. If anyone is interested, here is the Axios interview. It's about 37 minutes long.
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Post by andi9899 on Aug 4, 2020 10:56:02 GMT -5
I saw parts of that interview. When asked why he didn’t attend Lewis’ funeral recently, trump said it was because Lewis didn’t go to his inauguration. Guess who was there? Three former presidents including Bush jr. Lewis boycotted Bush’s first inauguration, too, and yet somehow Bush was not only able to attend the funeral, he gave a nice speech. Class. Trump has none. But he has a gold crapper, so we already knew that. Saw bits and pieces of trump's petty grievance interview. I was surprised not to see trump whip out his Sharpie pen to alter the charts he brought to the interview. If anyone is interested, here is the Axios interview. It's about 37 minutes long. What a POS.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 4, 2020 11:34:38 GMT -5
So, I am seeing a lot, lot, lot of anti-Trump advertising. Are they showing those in the wrong place? They don't need to continuously show me Trump's weaknesses - I am already willing to vote for a dead person, or a giraffe, or whatever to get him gone. I see very few pro-Trump ads. Is everyone preaching to the choir?
I'd be interested to hear from a swing voter to see how much they are getting from each side - because that is the key.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2020 11:38:36 GMT -5
So, I am seeing a lot, lot, lot of anti-Trump advertising. Are they showing those in the wrong place? They don't need to continuously show me Trump's weaknesses - I am already willing to vote for a dead person, or a giraffe, or whatever to get him gone. I see very few pro-Trump ads. Is everyone preaching to the choir? I'd be interested to hear from a swing voter to see how much they are getting from each side - because that is the key. where are you seeing that? because I am seeing a ton of PRO-TRUMP advertising, and ZERO anti-Trump advertising.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 4, 2020 11:49:06 GMT -5
Facebook. Here. Games on my phone. TV (although I see way more McSally vs Kelly ads on TV - both sides. One side is mostly pro-Kelly, the other mostly anti-Kelly. I don't see much pro McSally, because she sucks.)
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Post by dondub on Aug 4, 2020 12:21:20 GMT -5
That’s 37 minutes I’ll never get back.😳
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 4, 2020 12:23:31 GMT -5
That’s 37 minutes I’ll never get back.😳 You really didn't think it would be at the level of a discussion of differential equations, did you?
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Post by dondub on Aug 4, 2020 13:03:44 GMT -5
That’s 37 minutes I’ll never get back.😳 You really didn't think it would be at the level of a discussion of differential equations, did you? No, it was exactly what I expected. But moth to flame and all that.
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Post by phil5185 on Aug 4, 2020 13:24:07 GMT -5
You really didn't think it would be at the level of a discussion of differential equations, did you?
I seldom take the derivative of x squared - but when I do I drink Dos Equis.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 4, 2020 17:16:07 GMT -5
After repeatedly trying to discredit voting by mail, trump is now telling Floridians it’s perfectly safe to vote by mail.
He claims Florida has cleaned theirs up. wTF?
Maybe someone told him he’s voted that way before. Who knows.
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 4, 2020 17:39:11 GMT -5
After repeatedly trying to discredit voting by mail, trump is now telling Floridians it’s perfectly safe to vote by mail. He claims Florida has cleaned theirs up. wTF? Maybe someone told him he’s voted that way before. Who knows. Didn't he move his residence there and register to vote absentee from Florida? Of course Florida is a perfectly safe place to vote by mail since he is doing it himself (sarcasm).
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Post by Bob Ross on Aug 4, 2020 18:36:37 GMT -5
You really didn't think it would be at the level of a discussion of differential equations, did you?
I seldom take the derivative of x squared - but when I do I drink Dos Equis.
Still lovin' the Trumpster, Phil?
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Post by dondub on Aug 4, 2020 18:42:42 GMT -5
You really didn't think it would be at the level of a discussion of differential equations, did you?
I seldom take the derivative of x squared - but when I do I drink Dos Equis.
Still lovin' the Trumpster, Phil? Rhymes with dumpster.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2020 19:01:59 GMT -5
it would be great to hear him say something pithy or witty for once.
just once.
but he is literally never funny.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 4, 2020 20:28:09 GMT -5
I'd settle for lucid.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 4, 2020 21:10:29 GMT -5
Saw bits and pieces of trump's petty grievance interview. I was surprised not to see trump whip out his Sharpie pen to alter the charts he brought to the interview. If anyone is interested, here is the Axios interview. It's about 37 minutes long. What a POS. trump's bronze makeup was apparent in several side views of his face in the video. One can even see the demarcation line between the bronze and pasty white skin.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2020 21:50:28 GMT -5
Saw bits and pieces of trump's petty grievance interview. I was surprised not to see trump whip out his Sharpie pen to alter the charts he brought to the interview. If anyone is interested, here is the Axios interview. It's about 37 minutes long. What a POS. ok. I watched it. my reactions:
1) wtf is he talking about with China. he seems to be saying that China sent this virus to us as biological warfare. is that a "thing" in the conservative community, because it is utterly insane. 2) millions of people would have died? no. initially, the estimates were that 50-60k would die. if we had followed the CDC guidelines, that would probably have been the extent of it. nobody ever said "millions". NOBODY. so that is pure crap. 3) cases were falling in Tulsa? no. active cases in OK had tripled in June before his rally. again, flat out lie. 4) highest rated Saturday night speech in FOX history- TRUE. congratulations. 5) virus "under control as much as you can control it"? completely false. 95% of the countries on Earth have better control of COVID19 than the US, including all of the "shithole" ones. 6) read the manuals? read the books? again- crazy talk. wtf is he talking about? 7) his obsession with cases and their relationship to testing is Spinal Tap bizarre. 8) not even sure he understands what systemic racism is.
confession: I got really bored after he spent 5 minutes handing that poor guy charts that Trump didn't understand. he really doesn't seem to get how badly the USA is doing on the virus. and I bet that his fanbase doesn't either.
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Post by dondub on Aug 4, 2020 22:16:58 GMT -5
ok. I watched it. my reactions:
1) wtf is he talking about with China. he seems to be saying that China sent this virus to us as biological warfare. is that a "thing" in the conservative community, because it is utterly insane. 2) millions of people would have died? no. initially, the estimates were that 50-60k would die. if we had followed the CDC guidelines, that would probably have been the extent of it. nobody ever said "millions". NOBODY. so that is pure crap. 3) cases were falling in Tulsa? no. active cases in OK had tripled in June before his rally. again, flat out lie. 4) highest rated Saturday night speech in FOX history- TRUE. congratulations. 5) virus "under control as much as you can control it"? completely false. 95% of the countries on Earth have better control of COVID19 than the US, including all of the "shithole" ones. 6) read the manuals? read the books? again- crazy talk. wtf is he talking about? 7) his obsession with cases and their relationship to testing is Spinal Tap bizarre. 8) not even sure he understands what systemic racism is.
confession: I got really bored after he spent 5 minutes handing that poor guy charts that Trump didn't understand. he really doesn't seem to get how badly the USA is doing on the virus. and I bet that his fanbase doesn't either.
m A complete clown show. And sitting down it’s easy to see how fat he is now. Just a grotesque specimen of white collar con man.🤡💩😳
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 4, 2020 22:29:30 GMT -5
ok. I watched it. my reactions:
1) wtf is he talking about with China. he seems to be saying that China sent this virus to us as biological warfare. is that a "thing" in the conservative community, because it is utterly insane. 2) millions of people would have died? no. initially, the estimates were that 50-60k would die. if we had followed the CDC guidelines, that would probably have been the extent of it. nobody ever said "millions". NOBODY. so that is pure crap. 3) cases were falling in Tulsa? no. active cases in OK had tripled in June before his rally. again, flat out lie. 4) highest rated Saturday night speech in FOX history- TRUE. congratulations. 5) virus "under control as much as you can control it"? completely false. 95% of the countries on Earth have better control of COVID19 than the US, including all of the "shithole" ones. 6) read the manuals? read the books? again- crazy talk. wtf is he talking about? 7) his obsession with cases and their relationship to testing is Spinal Tap bizarre. 8) not even sure he understands what systemic racism is.
confession: I got really bored after he spent 5 minutes handing that poor guy charts that Trump didn't understand. he really doesn't seem to get how badly the USA is doing on the virus. and I bet that his fanbase doesn't either.
trump also said (again) when his admin came into governing, Obama had not left them any Covid-19 testing kits.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2020 23:07:07 GMT -5
the reporter reacted with incredulity. which was appropriate. Trump ignores the incredulity and keeps saying ridiculous things.
I really don't get his fan base at all. do they really think that he is a truth teller? because almost everything he says is verifiably false.
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ok. I watched it. my reactions:
1) wtf is he talking about with China. he seems to be saying that China sent this virus to us as biological warfare. is that a "thing" in the conservative community, because it is utterly insane. 2) millions of people would have died? no. initially, the estimates were that 50-60k would die. if we had followed the CDC guidelines, that would probably have been the extent of it. nobody ever said "millions". NOBODY. so that is pure crap. 3) cases were falling in Tulsa? no. active cases in OK had tripled in June before his rally. again, flat out lie. 4) highest rated Saturday night speech in FOX history- TRUE. congratulations. 5) virus "under control as much as you can control it"? completely false. 95% of the countries on Earth have better control of COVID19 than the US, including all of the "shithole" ones. 6) read the manuals? read the books? again- crazy talk. wtf is he talking about? 7) his obsession with cases and their relationship to testing is Spinal Tap bizarre. 8) not even sure he understands what systemic racism is.
confession: I got really bored after he spent 5 minutes handing that poor guy charts that Trump didn't understand. he really doesn't seem to get how badly the USA is doing on the virus. and I bet that his fanbase doesn't either.
One minor point. Early on, there was a prediction that 2.2 million would die if we did nothing. Due to the governors who shut things down, and haven’t fully opened, and mask wearing, we won’t get there. Not that trump did anything to help us avoid that scenario
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 5, 2020 6:32:44 GMT -5
I believe there are 2 sets of Trump supporters
1 those who like what he did on the economy, or somehow believe he has done great things for the economy, and want conservative judges 2 the rascist base
Trump could sell the White House to the Russians, and I doubt either group would care
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 5, 2020 6:58:16 GMT -5
I believe there are 2 sets of Trump supporters 1 those who like what he did on the economy, or somehow believe he has done great things for the economy, and want conservative judges 2 the rascist base Trump could sell the White House to the Russians, and I doubt either group would care Three - people who are convinced every news outlet except Fox and Friends and Rush Limbaugh are fakes news. (Yes, I know those are entertainers and not journalists but Trump supporters do not understand that distinction.) I have several family members in this group. I wouldn’t be able to convince them that it’s raining, even if they were knee deep in water, if Trump said it’s not raining.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 5, 2020 7:03:34 GMT -5
ok. I watched it. my reactions:
1) wtf is he talking about with China. he seems to be saying that China sent this virus to us as biological warfare. is that a "thing" in the conservative community, because it is utterly insane. 2) millions of people would have died? no. initially, the estimates were that 50-60k would die. if we had followed the CDC guidelines, that would probably have been the extent of it. nobody ever said "millions". NOBODY. so that is pure crap. 3) cases were falling in Tulsa? no. active cases in OK had tripled in June before his rally. again, flat out lie. 4) highest rated Saturday night speech in FOX history- TRUE. congratulations. 5) virus "under control as much as you can control it"? completely false. 95% of the countries on Earth have better control of COVID19 than the US, including all of the "shithole" ones. 6) read the manuals? read the books? again- crazy talk. wtf is he talking about? 7) his obsession with cases and their relationship to testing is Spinal Tap bizarre. 8) not even sure he understands what systemic racism is.
confession: I got really bored after he spent 5 minutes handing that poor guy charts that Trump didn't understand. he really doesn't seem to get how badly the USA is doing on the virus. and I bet that his fanbase doesn't either.
trump also said (again) when his admin came into governing, Obama had not left them any Covid-19 testing kits. On number six, I admire how Jonathan handled that exchange. Trump claimed’many people say’ you can test too much. The reporter asked ‘who says that?’ Trump shifts to ‘books and manuals’ and the reporter asks what books? What manuals? Finally Trump just has to walk away from it, having exposed himself as a liar. IMHO that’s how reporters need to handle him when he lies. Just keep demanding answers that he can’t give - makes it glaring evident he’s lying.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 5, 2020 8:40:29 GMT -5
trump also said (again) when his admin came into governing, Obama had not left them any Covid-19 testing kits. On number six, I admire how Jonathan handled that exchange. Trump claimed’many people say’ you can test too much. The reporter asked ‘who says that?’ Trump shifts to ‘books and manuals’ and the reporter asks what books? What manuals? Finally Trump just has to walk away from it, having exposed himself as a liar. IMHO that’s how reporters need to handle him when he lies. Just keep demanding answers that he can’t give - makes it glaring evident he’s lying. You post reflects this position in an article I read yesterday: don't let go keep on asking. And don't let trump change the subject. Jonathan Swan reveals the simple secret to exposing Trump's lies: basic follow-up questionsWashington (CNN)Jonathan Swan, a reporter for Axios, has revealed the magic words that expose President Donald Trump's lies for what they are. Who? What? How?No. In an interview that aired Monday night on "Axios on HBO," Swan demolished some of Trump's most dishonest talking points with a powerful tactic that has rarely been used by the people Trump has allowed to interview him: Basic follow-up questions. Many of Trump's interviewers are right-wing sycophants who have no interest in challenging him. But Trump has defeated even his other interviewers by employing a strategy we can call the hit-and-run -- saying dishonest stuff, then darting ahead to other dishonest stuff before the interviewer reacts. Complete article here: Jonathan Swan reveals the simple secret to exposing Trump's lies: basic follow-up questions
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