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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 11, 2019 20:22:33 GMT -5
I thought you had parking in front of your house. That's why I asked. Not an argument, but I do ask more questions to try to get the full picture. What you describe, he's wrong. On my street you can park on both sides and people tend to keep their company in front of their own homes unless it's a party and they need more space. People that park in front of other people's houses all the time are the jerks. But there are streets like that in Toronto near where my aunts live and like you say no one has claim to any part of the street parking, you just can't park in front of people's driveways. So following the logic of this thread, he got mad so should we have just tucked our tails and move the car or stand my ground because it is public property and we have just as much right to be in that spot as he does?
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 11, 2019 20:33:20 GMT -5
No you don't. If you did you would stick to debating what I actually said instead of creating some fictional Liberals that apparently say women should be allowed to wear bikinis on constructions sites and cry victim when they are catcalled. I never said women should wear bikinis in a construction site. I said if a woman is standing there and being catcalled, based on what you are saying she should have to move. She is in the wrong not the person doing the cat calling. I really should learn not to waste my time in this board. White men bad, everyone else good. Got it Huge cop out. I've said multiple times that the Drummer and Hebrew guys were wrong. Where I get the fight is when I say the kids were not innocent little bystanders. You seem stuck on the "white men good no matter what" line.
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 11, 2019 20:34:59 GMT -5
I thought you had parking in front of your house. That's why I asked. Not an argument, but I do ask more questions to try to get the full picture. What you describe, he's wrong. On my street you can park on both sides and people tend to keep their company in front of their own homes unless it's a party and they need more space. People that park in front of other people's houses all the time are the jerks. But there are streets like that in Toronto near where my aunts live and like you say no one has claim to any part of the street parking, you just can't park in front of people's driveways. So following the logic of this thread, he got mad so should we have just tucked our tails and move the car or stand my ground because it is public property and we have just as much right to be in that spot as he does? Do whatever you want, but don't freak out on him and call him all kinds of names and then claim you were completely respectful and minding your own business the whole time. And stop with "the logic of this thread" bull shit. I don't speak for the whole thread. For a woman that claims to hate calling herself a victim you have sure enjoyed doing it in this discussion.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 11, 2019 20:39:55 GMT -5
I never said women should wear bikinis in a construction site. I said if a woman is standing there and being catcalled, based on what you are saying she should have to move. She is in the wrong not the person doing the cat calling. I really should learn not to waste my time in this board. White men bad, everyone else good. Got it Huge cop out. I've said multiple times that the Drummer and Hebrew guys were wrong. Where I get the fight is when I say the kids were not innocent little bystanders. You seem stuck on the "white men good no matter what" line. Not a cop out. I disagree with you. If the reverse happened and they were pink cat hat marchers who happen to come across a march for life protest and a right to lifer got up in a pink hats face, I’m pretty sure you would be singing a different tune. And I would also say that the right to life protestor was wrong. If the pink kissy hat protestor stood there and did nothing then I would say they remained calm and did nothing. But I can separate my feelings from what I believe is right and wrong. People who hate trump and his supporters can’t seem to do that.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 11, 2019 20:44:59 GMT -5
So following the logic of this thread, he got mad so should we have just tucked our tails and move the car or stand my ground because it is public property and we have just as much right to be in that spot as he does? Do whatever you want, but don't freak out on him and call him all kinds of names and then claim you were completely respectful and minding your own business the whole time. And stop with "the logic of this thread" bull shit. I don't speak for the whole thread. For a woman that claims to hate calling herself a victim you have sure enjoyed doing it in this discussion. How in the world am I a playing a victim?!?!lol Now you are exaggerating what I posted. Never said I freaked out on him. Never.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 11, 2019 20:49:35 GMT -5
hush, little lady. don't you know that white men can go anywhere they fucking please? There were three groups there for protests and the Covington kids were there for the March for Life protest. So they had just as much right to be there as the other two groups. And the students were with their chaperones waiting for the bus so that tells me that they didn’t just pick that spot to stir up shit for someone named Ms. Tequila, it sounds like you could use a drink.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 11, 2019 20:52:05 GMT -5
There were three groups there for protests and the Covington kids were there for the March for Life protest. So they had just as much right to be there as the other two groups. And the students were with their chaperones waiting for the bus so that tells me that they didn’t just pick that spot to stir up shit for someone named Ms. Tequila, it sounds like you could use a drink. I’m low-carbing so no alcohol allowed :-(
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 11, 2019 20:52:32 GMT -5
It's sarcasm. Some think that because governments sometimes respond favourably to protests, so too do people's hearts and minds. I'm a hardened skeptic in this regard. The reactions in this thread are one more piece of evidence to add to the heap. How are we to know when your excessive logorrhea is sarcasm? Perhaps one of these would suffice. In addition to the statement being boldly conflicted with observable truth, if you bothered to read my (masterfully composed and certainly not logorrhetic) posts, you'd know my longstanding position on the topic.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 11, 2019 21:42:45 GMT -5
And the Native Americans should be able do their demonstration without being harassed. Beating the drum is no more menacing than wearing the hats. The boys wore the hats to make a statement. They wore them standing at the demonstration to make a statement. They were being as harassing as the drummer. Give it up! The boys were not just standing there. For your analogy it's like a woman wearing a bikini into a construction sight and crying victim when the men catcall her. I'm done discussing this. The boys were not innocently standing around minding their own business and you look foolish when you keep trying to say you believe they were. According to the liberals women should be able to wear whatever they want, go wherever they want and be left alone. You are victim shaming if you say a woman asked for it. I think you look foolish. That man walked right up to them to bang the drum right in their face. Yet they remained calm. A lot of people wouldn’t have. But you will forever think the boys were wrong because they are white, trump supporters. You nailed it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 11, 2019 22:15:45 GMT -5
I just read the article. Sorry. $250 million? I could see Mr. Sandmann's family collecting $10K plus legal expenses if the public harassment disrupted their work lives, but $250 bloody million? If they get even one thousandth of that, I hope they choke on it. I don't care how in the right they were. It's an obscenity. It's an utter embarrassment to your whole country if it gets past a preliminary hearing.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 12, 2019 3:04:06 GMT -5
for someone named Ms. Tequila, it sounds like you could use a drink. I’m low-carbing so no alcohol allowed :-( ok. that explains a few things.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 12, 2019 10:30:27 GMT -5
I just read the article. Sorry. $250 million? I could see Mr. Sandmann's family collecting $10K plus legal expenses if the public harassment disrupted their work lives, but $250 bloody million? If they get even one thousandth of that, I hope they choke on it. I don't care how in the right they were. It's an obscenity. It's an utter embarrassment to your whole country if it gets past a preliminary hearing. $10,000? No. The chld has been publicly named as a racist, and that is some of the polite things said about him. There is humiliation involved here conducted on a minor as well as his name now becoming a foot note in history. I imagine there will be seversal books eventually written on these issues. $250,000,000 is outrageous, but ten to 20 million is realistic. Maybe five million for the actual written attack, with another 10 million or so for outrageous egarious conduct by WaPO. Same for CNN on the other announced lawsuit.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 12, 2019 11:36:29 GMT -5
$250,000,000 is outrageous, but ten to 20 million is realistic. Maybe five million for the actual written attack, with another 10 million or so for outrageous egarious conduct by WaPO. $10K for loss of income, assuming the Sandmanns can reasonably demonstrate the publicity hindered their ability to get to work. If any of them were fired as a direct result of the publicity (I don't believe so), tack on up to a year's salary. If any property was damaged or destroyed as a direct result of the publicity, tack on the costs to fully repair/replace this property. Tack on the Sandmanns' legal expenses for filing suit. $0 for calling Mr. Sandmann a racist, a bigot, or a "bigoted, entitled, Hitler-loving MAGAt whose Mom wears army boots," if that's what the WaPo printed.
$0 punitive damages, which were an asinine idea from the first and an embarrassment to the US tort system and your country as a whole. If the total payout gets up to even $250K--one one-thousandth of the figure in the suit--then either the Sandmanns' house was burned down by an angry mob or else something is seriously wrong with your legal system. They don't deserve one thin dime more than $10K + legal expenses from WaPo--and that's being generous. The funds for job loss and property damage, assuming either happened, should ideally come from the employer and person(s) doing the damage, respectively.
I sincerely hope, for the sake of your whole nation, that a judge throws the family out on their arses so fast it makes their heads spin.
If you want WaPo to pay a massive fine, pass laws criminalizing inaccurate or incomplete reporting of an incident leading to public harassment, have perpetrators tried in criminal court. ...Or rather, don't, since the idea is only slightly less asinine than punitive damages. The last thing the US needs is newspapers being dragged into court for how your infantilized, perpetually unhinged citizenry reacts to biased coverage of political protests. Japan does torts right. The US in particular could learn a thing or ten from them.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 12, 2019 11:56:05 GMT -5
I just read the article. Sorry. $250 million? I could see Mr. Sandmann's family collecting $10K plus legal expenses if the public harassment disrupted their work lives, but $250 bloody million? If they get even one thousandth of that, I hope they choke on it. I don't care how in the right they were. It's an obscenity. It's an utter embarrassment to your whole country if it gets past a preliminary hearing. $10,000? No. The chld has been publicly named as a racist,nowhere I consume news, talk to people, etc.....
where did you hear that? and might I offer a suggestion? stop going there.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 12, 2019 11:58:00 GMT -5
I just read the article. Sorry. $250 million? I could see Mr. Sandmann's family collecting $10K plus legal expenses if the public harassment disrupted their work lives, but $250 bloody million? If they get even one thousandth of that, I hope they choke on it. I don't care how in the right they were. It's an obscenity. It's an utter embarrassment to your whole country if it gets past a preliminary hearing. $10,000? No. The chld has been publicly named as a racist, and that is some of the polite things said about him. There is humiliation involved here conducted on a minor as well as his name now becoming a foot note in history. I imagine there will be seversal books eventually written on these issues. $250,000,000 is outrageous, but ten to 20 million is realistic. Maybe five million for the actual written attack, with another 10 million or so for outrageous egarious conduct by WaPO. Same for CNN on the other announced lawsuit. no, I think $10k is about right. but he will probably get nothing. and if you don't understand why, you don't understand the press.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 12, 2019 12:13:42 GMT -5
Not quite true. The "old guy" had a permit to demonstrate in that area. The kids didn't. Neither, as far as I can learn, did the religious group. in Washington on Jan. 18 to attend an anti-abortion March for Life rally, were waiting for their bus! Their bus was to meet them over 100 yards from the steps on which they had gathered. The March for Life permit was for an area other than the memorial.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 12, 2019 13:32:51 GMT -5
I just read the article. Sorry. $250 million? I could see Mr. Sandmann's family collecting $10K plus legal expenses if the public harassment disrupted their work lives, but $250 bloody million? If they get even one thousandth of that, I hope they choke on it. I don't care how in the right they were. It's an obscenity. It's an utter embarrassment to your whole country if it gets past a preliminary hearing. $10,000? No. The chld has been publicly named as a racist, and that is some of the polite things said about him. There is humiliation involved here conducted on a minor as well as his name now becoming a foot note in history. I imagine there will be seversal books eventually written on these issues. $250,000,000 is outrageous, but ten to 20 million is realistic. Maybe five million for the actual written attack, with another 10 million or so for outrageous egarious conduct by WaPO. Same for CNN on the other announced lawsuit. The little MAGA snowflake chose to wear a racist symbol. And is now offended that some people think that was a racist thing to do? I don't see his family getting $10K. Aren't conservatives the ones who are always bitching about frivolous lawsuits? If justice were truly to be served, his family would be ordered to pay WaPo's legal expenses.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 12, 2019 16:33:38 GMT -5
in Washington on Jan. 18 to attend an anti-abortion March for Life rally, were waiting for their bus! Their bus was to meet them over 100 yards from the steps on which they had gathered. The March for Life permit was for an area other than the memorial. Ahhh. I forgot those White boys were not allowed the stand in the Colored Section I guess!
They needed to be put into their place,,,
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 12, 2019 17:03:17 GMT -5
How are we to know when your excessive logorrhea is sarcasm? Perhaps one of these would suffice. In addition to the statement being boldly conflicted with observable truth, if you bothered to read my (masterfully composed and certainly not logorrhetic) posts, you'd know my longstanding position on the topic.Unlike you, I don't have OCD. I don't memorize positions or comb through years of old posts. Furthermore, your novels are so tedious, that I often skip over them. If you post something stupid, I'm going to call you on it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 12, 2019 17:08:47 GMT -5
Their bus was to meet them over 100 yards from the steps on which they had gathered. The March for Life permit was for an area other than the memorial. Ahhh. I forgot those White boys were not allowed the stand in the Colored Section I guess!
They needed to be put into their place,,,
I already told you: white boys can stand wherever they want.
that is the privilege that is being asserted, here.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 12, 2019 17:31:04 GMT -5
In addition to the statement being boldly conflicted with observable truth, if you bothered to read my (masterfully composed and certainly not logorrhetic) posts, you'd know my longstanding position on the topic.Unlike you, I don't have OCD. I don't memorize positions or comb through years of old posts. Furthermore, your novels are so tedious, that I often skip over them. If you post something stupid, I'm going to call you on it. The mark of a great debater is starting off every post with a pithy ad hominem, forgetting people's positions, neglecting to research their positions, sparing no time to read their lengthier and more thoughtfully composed arguments, but still finding the time to assail them when they "post something stupid". That was also sarcasm.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 12, 2019 18:26:16 GMT -5
Unlike you, I don't have OCD. I don't memorize positions or comb through years of old posts. Furthermore, your novels are so tedious, that I often skip over them. If you post something stupid, I'm going to call you on it. The mark of a great debater is starting off every post with a pithy ad hominem, forgetting people's positions, neglecting to research their positions, sparing no time to read their lengthier and more thoughtfully composed arguments, but still finding the time to assail them when they "post something stupid". That was also sarcasm.
Sure, Virgil. I should remember every position of every poster from years and years ago.... everything from tot armies to protesting. As for your your lengthier and more thoughtfully composed arguments; they often aren't. Just lengthier. That was not sarcasm.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 12, 2019 18:53:43 GMT -5
The mark of a great debater is starting off every post with a pithy ad hominem, forgetting people's positions, neglecting to research their positions, sparing no time to read their lengthier and more thoughtfully composed arguments, but still finding the time to assail them when they "post something stupid". That was also sarcasm.
Sure, Virgil. I should remember every position of every poster from years and years ago.... everything from tot armies to protesting. As for your your lengthier and more thoughtfully composed arguments; they often aren't. Just lengthier. That was not sarcasm. I'll mark up sarcasm with smilies and include TL;DRs for posts over ten sentences. Hopefully this will be of some assistance.
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Post by laterbloomer on Mar 12, 2019 20:18:19 GMT -5
Ahhh. I forgot those White boys were not allowed the stand in the Colored Section I guess!
They needed to be put into their place,,,
I already told you: white boys can stand wherever they want.
that is the privilege that is being asserted, here.
POTD
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 12, 2019 20:43:03 GMT -5
I already told you: white boys can stand wherever they want.
that is the privilege that is being asserted, here.
POTD While wearing racist symbols
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 12, 2019 21:20:12 GMT -5
Sorry... what? Anon is complaining that the boys should be able to stand on the steps of a memorial but they can't. Everyone else seems to be complaining that the boys can stand on the steps but... shouldn't be able to? Or something? And what does their race have anything to do with anything? It clearly didn't spare them from confrontation ...or the wrath of half the country. I thought everyone here resents them because they're Trump supporters, not because they're white.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 12, 2019 21:26:46 GMT -5
My point is they are able to stand anywhere they want,, They are saying they should not have been there!
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Post by tallguy on Mar 12, 2019 23:16:53 GMT -5
I have for the most part avoided this whole stupid mess, but here are a couple things. First, anyone in this country has the right to stand in pretty much any public area, but for people (either the boys or their defenders) to suggest that they were simply "waiting for their buses" is nonsense. Others have said the boys were far from where they were supposed to be, but either way you do not wait for your buses in the middle of a protest. You don't even wait for them in the middle of a crowd. You go away from the crowd to a place where the buses can get to you. If they were in fact in the middle of a protest, they meant to be there. And yes, the hats are an indicator.
Second, the fact that they were there at all is a political statement. Boys from an all-male high school were taken out of class and bused hundreds of miles for a political march. I'll spare the argument that the political issue for which they traveled doesn't really even affect them, but it doesn't. They will never face it, and can really only argue about it in the abstract. And third, given that this religious school sanctioned this "field trip" for a decidedly political event, and apparently does so every year, I would guess a look at their tax-exempt status (if they indeed hold it) would be warranted. This was not educational, nor was it religious. It was political.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 13, 2019 0:16:35 GMT -5
$250,000,000 is outrageous, but ten to 20 million is realistic. Maybe five million for the actual written attack, with another 10 million or so for outrageous egarious conduct by WaPO. $10K for loss of income, assuming the Sandmanns can reasonably demonstrate the publicity hindered their ability to get to work.
If any of them were fired as a direct result of the publicity (I don't believe so), tack on up to a year's salary. If any property was damaged or destroyed as a direct result of the publicity, tack on the costs to fully repair/replace this property. Tack on the Sandmanns' legal expenses for filing suit. $0 for calling Mr. Sandmann a racist, a bigot, or a "bigoted, entitled, Hitler-loving MAGAt whose Mom wears army boots," if that's what the WaPo printed.
$0 punitive damages, which were an asinine idea from the first and an embarrassment to the US tort system and your country as a whole. If the total payout gets up to even $250K--one one-thousandth of the figure in the suit--then either the Sandmanns' house was burned down by an angry mob or else something is seriously wrong with your legal system. They don't deserve one thin dime more than $10K + legal expenses from WaPo--and that's being generous. The funds for job loss and property damage, assuming either happened, should ideally come from the employer and person(s) doing the damage, respectively.
I sincerely hope, for the sake of your whole nation, that a judge throws the family out on their arses so fast it makes their heads spin.
If you want WaPo to pay a massive fine, pass laws criminalizing inaccurate or incomplete reporting of an incident leading to public harassment, have perpetrators tried in criminal court. ...Or rather, don't, since the idea is only slightly less asinine than punitive damages. The last thing the US needs is newspapers being dragged into court for how your infantilized, perpetually unhinged citizenry reacts to biased coverage of political protests. Japan does torts right. The US in particular could learn a thing or ten from them. They'll probably claim everything from PTSD to insomnia to impotence. Remember the guy from Ontario who sued for millions because he saw a fly in his bottle of water...... that he never even opened? And he was FROM INDIA! I guess India doesn't have any flies. No wonder he claimed everything from PTSD to impotence! Imagine the shock of seeing your first fly!
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 13, 2019 0:22:31 GMT -5
My point is they are able to stand anywhere they want,, They are saying they should not have been there! I don't think they should have been there either, if they weren't actually waiting within, say, 30 feet of where their bus was going to pick them up. But I base this on my belief that kids have no business protesting, counter-protesting, or politicking in general. It has nothing to do with the boys' race, and I hold the same view when it comes to left-indoctrinated tots protesting/counter-protesting. I understand Later's grievance with the boys is their denying they were counterprotesting, but so what? If they admitted tomorrow, "Yes, we were being a tot army! We were getting in people's faces! We are the youth being heard!" then according to her, her reaction should be "Oh, bless their little hearts! They're youth who care. Get them some medals and put them on the cover of Time Magazine." which was YMAM's more or less universal reaction to the first tot army. And DJ and GG grinding on about race...? Where the snow leopard did race come from? ... Looks like DJ dragged it in like a dead carcass in #79. Thanks for that, DJ. Couldn't have gone another page without a decent crapstorm about race.
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