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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 18:45:40 GMT -5
Why would you want to stop people who rent? are they legal? if not end of discussion I think a boarder should have to pay their rent in either country, it doesn’t matter which side of the border they are on. I understand the Borders book chain had to pay rent when they had stores.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 13, 2019 18:46:56 GMT -5
Why would you want to stop people who rent? are they legal? if not end of discussion When people rent a room to live in, does it matter if they're legal? Perhaps landlords should check.
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Post by dondub on Feb 13, 2019 18:47:28 GMT -5
blah blah blah help help help nothing more than a money redistribution scheme. The 500k childeren is an exaggeration, but honestly nobody is more important to protect than the citizens of United States...(even the dems)
That's fine. Go ahead and ignore the truth, you usually do. Go ahead and root for it's demise which will cause people to die. You are pro-death as you personally stated. Claim you want important protection for Americans, but then root for sending 20,000 to a premature grave every year. It's how you roll.... what is wrong with holding people accountable for their own lives....including their heathcare What makes you think a majority of people aren't accountable? You have a really low opinion of the average American.
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Post by dondub on Feb 13, 2019 18:49:12 GMT -5
Does anyone think ednkris is aware that 75% of illegals come by plane? Then that is another area to work on....lets get the wall built Let's work on the 75%, a more prudent course of action. Because....the wall in all it's entirety and glory, will never be built as it is not needed.
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Post by dondub on Feb 13, 2019 18:51:28 GMT -5
Does anyone think ednkris is aware that a vast majority of Americans pay for themselves and don't rely on the rich? whats vast exactly? Most of us do rely on the rich...how many people work for business owners...I know i do...i just think we shouldn't pick their pockets It could also be said that those sainted rich of yours rely on all of us for everything we bring to the table in the way of labor, invention, ingenuity etc.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 13, 2019 18:52:32 GMT -5
Then that is another area to work on....lets get the wall built Let's work on the 75%, a more prudent course of action. Because....the wall in all it's entirety and glory, will never be built as it is not needed. But...but...Donald the Manhattanite knows far, far more about a place like El Paso than the mayor. He's a stable genius, dontcha know?
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Post by dondub on Feb 13, 2019 18:54:58 GMT -5
I heard him trash that mayor in a statement of complete Trumpian idiocy.
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Post by ednkris on Feb 13, 2019 19:00:11 GMT -5
what is wrong with holding people accountable for their own lives....including their heathcare What makes you think a majority of people aren't accountable? You have a really low opinion of the average American. Then why do you support the ACA failure
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 13, 2019 19:03:22 GMT -5
What makes you think a majority of people aren't accountable? You have a really low opinion of the average American. Then why do you support the ACA failure probably the same reason the MAJORITY of the US electorate does: it lowered the uninsured population to less than 10%.
and let's not make light of that achievement for a moment. ever since Reagan, uninsured ER room visits have been paid for by the insured, at NO COST to them. that means that my premiums, and those of every other INSURED American, have reflected this fact. what Obama did was to shift SOME of the burden to those that previously paid NOTHING. and that is a good thing, no matter whether you are a socialist or an anarchocapitalist.
how the GOP lost sight of that is beyond me.
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Post by dondub on Feb 13, 2019 19:31:20 GMT -5
What makes you think a majority of people aren't accountable? You have a really low opinion of the average American. Then why do you support the ACA failure Except it isn't a failure. 20+ million acquired coverage, medical bancos plummeted, deaths decline. All good right ed?
Of course your Repo-Con boys have done nothing to solve the crucial problem of healthcare costs and have only obstructed the ACA as much as possible. Like any insurance the larger the pool the lower the cost. It's not perfect but it is vastly superior to any plan the Repo-Cons have had..ever. Well accept for that heritage Foundation plan Romney used in Massachusetts.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 13, 2019 19:39:47 GMT -5
Then why do you support the ACA failure Except it isn't a failure. 20+ million acquired coverage, medical bancos plummeted, deaths decline. All good right ed?
Of course your Repo-Con boys have done nothing to solve the crucial problem of healthcare costs and have only obstructed the ACA as much as possible. Like any insurance the larger the pool the lower the cost. It's not perfect but it is vastly superior to any plan the Repo-Cons have had..ever. Well accept for that heritage Foundation plan Romney used in Massachusetts.
We will spend 30 billion dollars to save one person from a criminal act by an illegal immigrant, but we won't spend one thin dime to save hundreds of thousands of people by giving them healthcare, nor we will inconvenience ourselves to save 10,000+ people per year from gun violence. Death isn't the problem.
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Post by tallguy on Feb 13, 2019 19:50:34 GMT -5
Except it isn't a failure. 20+ million acquired coverage, medical bancos plummeted, deaths decline. All good right ed?
Of course your Repo-Con boys have done nothing to solve the crucial problem of healthcare costs and have only obstructed the ACA as much as possible. Like any insurance the larger the pool the lower the cost. It's not perfect but it is vastly superior to any plan the Repo-Cons have had..ever. Well accept for that heritage Foundation plan Romney used in Massachusetts.
We will spend 30 billion dollars to save one person from a criminal act by an illegal immigrant, but we won't spend one thin dime to save hundreds of thousands of people by giving them healthcare, nor we will inconvenience ourselves to save 10,000+ people per year from gun violence. Death isn't the problem. No, stupid people are.
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Post by tbop77 on Feb 13, 2019 20:12:14 GMT -5
Then why do you support the ACA failure probably the same reason the MAJORITY of the US electorate does: it lowered the uninsured population to less than 10%.
and let's not make light of that achievement for a moment. ever since Reagan, uninsured ER room visits have been paid for by the insured, at NO COST to them. that means that my premiums, and those of every other INSURED American, have reflected this fact. what Obama did was to shift SOME of the burden to those that previously paid NOTHING. and that is a good thing, no matter whether you are a socialist or an anarchocapitalist.
how the GOP lost sight of that is beyond me.
Thank you! And that bill President Reagan signed: EMTALA remains the source of controversy. David C. Seaberg, M.D., president-elect of the American College of Emergency Physicians, says that for his membership, "It's a double-edged sword. The good side is that patients with emergency conditions are being taken care of; they must have an evaluation exam and they have to be stabilized. The negative side is that EMTALA is the largest unfunded mandate [on providers] that the government has ever instituted."www.hhnmag.com/articles/5010-the-law-that-changed-everything-and-it-isn-t-the-one-you-thinkStudy your history ednkris. President Reagan socialized health care before anyone ever heard of President Obama. Read the bolded part again: THE LARGEST UNFUNDED MANDATE THAT THE GOVERNMENT EVER INSTITUTED. So see, you are paying for it anyway, just in the dumbest way possible. Take a math class too.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 13, 2019 21:45:02 GMT -5
I have noted, with extreme skepticism by those on the right, that Obama was politically about the same as Reagan. you can run it down one policy at a time, if you like. they differ in some areas- Obama is slightly left of Reagan on some stuff, and slightly right of Reagan on other stuff. but generally speaking they occupy the part of the political spectrum known as "moderate Republican".
the problem with the success of Reagan is that he shifted the entire country to the right, which made it POSSIBLE for that lunatic Trump to get elected. and for Obama to be seen as a "socialist", when, as far as I can tell, he is about the same as Reagan in that respect. the main differences between the two men were rhetorical, and not political- Obama being "pro government" rhetorically, and Reagan "anti-government" rhetorically.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Feb 13, 2019 22:14:34 GMT -5
i never said anything nice about Bush, and i made several comments in different threads stating about Obama inheriting a mess. No matter which way you want to kiss his ass, Obama made it worse.
As far as the rich what is wrong with being rich. Just because someone has tons of money don't mean they have to pay for everyone else. The rich should get tax cuts just like everyone else if not more so. Hell they were smart enough to make money. All dems want to do it take it away and give it to others so they don't have to work hard and struggle to get ahead. Jealousy is all it is
If they would be willing to pay more wages, offer health insurance, and pensions once again, they would still be wealthy beyond their dreams. But they would also pull people back up into the middle class. But they won't without unions and they have passed every law they can to not make them feasible. So yes they offer jobs but want to pay on a 3rd world salary range yet every company here maximizes profits to the detriment of all the working classes. It is not jealousy, its the struggle for survival where over 60% of the people will not even have enough to retire.
So if you can't use fairness as a basis, then you have to do it by taxation. If we keep this up, there will be class wars. There are now, but they are still at the ballot box stage and it appears that has been compromised by the repubs. When they realize nothing will change only more tax cuts for the rich it will eventually spread to the streets as it is in other countries. The rich can survive longer with their armies, their walls. But even those will eventually fall. Why not take less and let prosperity spread, they would make more selling more widgets, more taxes would be collected, and people could live a good life for their labors? The might only have $5 billion instead of $10 billion, how would that effect their daily lives or their kids?
Something is going to have to shake out or we are going down. The monied peoples on Bloomberg are already seeing a recession in 19 or 20 and trump has nothing left in his quiver to moderate it, so will likely be a hard fall. With the poor old dems having to pull us out again. Let's hope we an put in another capable leader with capable advisors unlike this one. They won't be able to clean it up in 4 years. Prepare for a hard fall.
So ednkris, are you debt free? Have lots of savings back? And I assume excellent health care? None can get so high they may not fall. And his policies are lack of are setting us up for a tremendous fall.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Feb 13, 2019 22:18:37 GMT -5
I hear 7 million are behind on their car payments today and 1 million are 90 days or more behind. They said when people lose them then they cannot get to work and it spirals. Credit card debt is at an all time high, people do not make enough to live. Apparently they do not have $400 extra for an emergency and many do not even have $400 available on their credit cards. And look at the interest rates, by the way trump either has or is working on repealing what Obama did setting limits on interest payday loans places could charge. We are bleeding people to death.
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 13, 2019 22:57:50 GMT -5
Does anyone think ednkris is aware that 75% of illegals come by plane? You have to be kidding, 99% of the illegals I deal with have never been on an airplane!!
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 13, 2019 23:04:17 GMT -5
Does anyone think ednkris is aware that 75% of illegals come by plane? You have to be kidding, 99% of the illegals I deal with have never been on an airplane!! Right. 99% of the illegals YOU know. Therefore it applies to ALL illegals. DS and I didn't get the flu this year. Therefore, NOBODY got the flu. See how that works?
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 13, 2019 23:08:43 GMT -5
This afternoon, six employees in back, every time I had a question, or needed a button pushed, sign language or they had to get the only one there to translate.
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Post by dondub on Feb 13, 2019 23:09:47 GMT -5
You have to be kidding, 99% of the illegals I deal with have never been on an airplane!!
Since when do facts and truth matter to a Trumpian.
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Post by tallguy on Feb 13, 2019 23:16:59 GMT -5
You have to be kidding, 99% of the illegals I deal with have never been on an airplane!!
Since when do facts and truth matter to a Trumpian. If you hear of a time, let us all know please? Thanks.
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 13, 2019 23:18:12 GMT -5
You have to be kidding, 99% of the illegals I deal with have never been on an airplane!!
Since when do facts and truth matter to a Trumpian. I will happily look at your facts! post them with links please!
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 13, 2019 23:20:50 GMT -5
Except it isn't a failure. 20+ million acquired coverage, medical bancos plummeted, deaths decline. All good right ed?
Of course your Repo-Con boys have done nothing to solve the crucial problem of healthcare costs and have only obstructed the ACA as much as possible. Like any insurance the larger the pool the lower the cost. It's not perfect but it is vastly superior to any plan the Repo-Cons have had..ever. Well accept for that heritage Foundation plan Romney used in Massachusetts.
We will spend 30 billion dollars to save one person from a criminal act by an illegal immigrant, but we won't spend one thin dime to save hundreds of thousands of people by giving them healthcare, nor we will inconvenience ourselves to save 10,000+ people per year from gun violence. Death isn't the problem. Cuts to the crux of the matter. Basically, the aca is garbage because the gop said it was. The wall is good because trump says so. No real independent thoughts here. Billions is worth a handful of people and millions of people are worth nothing. Just cuz.....
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 13, 2019 23:22:31 GMT -5
If we,, Meaning our government actually knew how many Illegal are here, and they don't,,, In your estimate, how many Illegals are now in this country? Out of that number, how many are from Mexico or central America?
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 13, 2019 23:25:05 GMT -5
We will spend 30 billion dollars to save one person from a criminal act by an illegal immigrant, but we won't spend one thin dime to save hundreds of thousands of people by giving them healthcare, nor we will inconvenience ourselves to save 10,000+ people per year from gun violence. Death isn't the problem. Cuts to the crux of the matter. Basically, the aca is garbage because the gop said it was. The wall is good because trump says so. No real independent thoughts here. Billions is worth a handful of people and millions of people are worth nothing. Just cuz..... [img src="http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/idunno.gif" class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png" alt=" "] I'll ask you, What is your estimate on how many Illegals are here,, what percentage are Mexican or Central American?
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Post by dondub on Feb 13, 2019 23:34:26 GMT -5
AS,
I'm not going to post a link for you in protest that you have claimed that you hire illegals. Look it up yourself.
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 13, 2019 23:58:46 GMT -5
I knew all along you could not back it up.
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Post by dondub on Feb 14, 2019 0:06:40 GMT -5
Heck, I knew in advance you were incapable of looking it up for yourself.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 14, 2019 1:23:41 GMT -5
Does anyone think ednkris is aware that 75% of illegals come by plane? You have to be kidding, 99% of the illegals I deal with have never been on an airplane!! that is because you are in a border area.
that makes perfect sense.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 14, 2019 9:21:34 GMT -5
I have noted, with extreme skepticism by those on the right, that Obama was politically about the same as Reagan. you can run it down one policy at a time, if you like. they differ in some areas- Obama is slightly left of Reagan on some stuff, and slightly right of Reagan on other stuff. but generally speaking they occupy the part of the political spectrum known as "moderate Republican". the problem with the success of Reagan is that he shifted the entire country to the right, which made it POSSIBLE for that lunatic Trump to get elected. and for Obama to be seen as a "socialist", when, as far as I can tell, he is about the same as Reagan in that respect. the main differences between the two men were rhetorical, and not political- Obama being "pro government" rhetorically, and Reagan "anti-government" rhetorically. Years ago I read The Onion's description of the presidents. They said Bill Clinton was the most-Reagan president. Even more than Reagan.
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