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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 15, 2019 18:24:09 GMT -5
The answer is right there in your article. You didn't read it? They don't WANT more children. Whether as a surgeon, teacher or another profession, McDaniel says the notion of motherhood isn’t always a priority for women. “Women are seeing themselves in a larger mosaic of roles than just mothers,” she said. McDaniel said that increasingly, people living in G7 countries are becoming more concerned about the impact human populations are having on the planet and could contribute to families planning to have fewer children. “People may want the experience of parenthood but you can get that if you have one maybe two,” she said. “And you’re not creating an ecologically heavy footprint.” Furthermore we take in far, far more immigrants than you do, to make up for it. We don't piss and moan about brown people. And we certainly don't advocate for "shooting them at the border", like you charmingly do. You have a choice. Take in more brown people or make it easier for American women to raise families. Pick one. My point was that Canadians have made it very easy for women to raise children and tour birth rate is lower than the US. So perhaps being ultra generous with benefits is not the answer to an increased birth rate And you sure bitched and moaned about Muslim immigrants many of times over the years. Are they lily white? And I’m pretty sure we have way more “brown immigrants” than Canada but I would have to do some research Knock yourself out. Our population is 10 times smaller and per capita, we take in far more.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 15, 2019 18:29:17 GMT -5
The answer is right there in your article. You didn't read it? They don't WANT more children. Whether as a surgeon, teacher or another profession, McDaniel says the notion of motherhood isn’t always a priority for women. “Women are seeing themselves in a larger mosaic of www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=375&top=29roles than just mothers,” she said.
McDaniel said that increasingly, people living in G7 countries are becoming more concerned about the impact human populations are having on the planet and could contribute to families planning to have fewer children.
“People may want the experience of parenthood but you can get that if you have one maybe two,” she said. “And you’re not creating an ecologically heavy footprint.”
Furthermore we take in far, far more immigrants than you do, to make up for it. We don't piss and moan about brown people. And we certainly don't advocate for "shooting them at the border", like you charmingly and compassionately do. You have a choice. Take in more brown people or make it easier for American women to raise families. Pick one. www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=375&top=29It looks like Canada has some pretty stringent requirements for someone to immigrate to Canada. I’m onboard with taking people of any skin color that will benefit my country. I’m not on board with people that don’t speak our language, need a ton of benefits to become be fit for anything other than low skilled labor (you can be a CPA but if you can’t speak the language you are not getting a 6 figure salary) and will be a drain in society. That is the difference between what we are dealing with in the US and what you are experiencing in Canada. Funny enough, when the immigrants started storming Canada’s borders seeking asylum there was all kind of whining going on.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 15, 2019 18:29:53 GMT -5
My point was that Canadians have made it very easy for women to raise children and tour birth rate is lower than the US. So perhaps being ultra generous with benefits is not the answer to an increased birth rate And you sure bitched and moaned about Muslim immigrants many of times over the years. Are they lily white? And I’m pretty sure we have way more “brown immigrants” than Canada but I would have to do some research Knock yourself out. Our population is 10 times smaller and per capita, we take in far more. Far more asylum seekers or far more skilled immigrants who will add value to your society?
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 15, 2019 18:41:07 GMT -5
Knock yourself out. Our population is 10 times smaller and per capita, we take in far more. Far more asylum seekers or far more skilled immigrants who will add value to your society? Both, of course. That's how we chose to deal with our lower birthrates.
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Post by haapai on Feb 15, 2019 19:05:23 GMT -5
Can I just poke my head in now and note how a discussion of day care costs has morphed into a discussion of immigration? It's almost comic what the two of you have in common. Your solution to daycare costs is to argue over the best way to import people instead of raising them yourselves.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 15, 2019 19:20:23 GMT -5
Can I just poke my head in now and note how a discussion of day care costs has morphed into a discussion of immigration? It's almost comic what the two of you have in common. Your solution to daycare costs is to argue over the best way to import people instead of raising them yourselves. This entire thread is about daycare costs. Are you suggesting women just stay home and raise the children themselves? Every female should be a stay-at-home housewife?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 15, 2019 20:23:42 GMT -5
Can I just poke my head in now and note how a discussion of day care costs has morphed into a discussion of immigration? It's almost comic what the two of you have in common. Your solution to daycare costs is to argue over the best way to import people instead of raising them yourselves. Based on Canada being the bestest at everything and still having a declining birth rate (rose than the US), fixing the daycare rates won’t do much. I am certainly not in favor of brining in more immigrants so I’m not sure why you think I want to bring them in instead of children being born
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Post by bean29 on Feb 17, 2019 8:58:48 GMT -5
If no one is offering me short term disability, I don’t see why new mothers should get that coverage.
I don’t have it on myself, fail to see why I should provide it to someone else.
I do think we should have national health insurance (like ACA) that covers the birth though.
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Post by Ava on Feb 18, 2019 18:22:44 GMT -5
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Post by jkapp on Feb 23, 2019 9:49:23 GMT -5
So daycare costs are a drain on the economy but taxes are not? Gotta love that "logic" Government taking $10,000 out of the economy via taxes to pay for daycare is different than people directly paying the $10,000 how? And, my god, why do liberals keep making up all these new "rights" that people have! You do not have a "right" to daycare, ya ignorant twits! And these same morons complain about OTHER people's greed
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Post by giramomma on Feb 23, 2019 10:35:15 GMT -5
I saw that.
We need to figure out a way to better package the message. The wealthy deserving to be taxed is not a message that will work. Cripes, even I know that.
We're not going back to the wealthy being taxed like they were decades and decades ago. This is all a stupid conversation until we decide how ALL tax money should be spent. Right.
That's how my personal budget works. If I want to spend more money, and getting more income isn't appropriate or won't work for whatever reason, then DH and I sit down looking at all the entire budget to see what needs to be changed. Personally, I think if she offered that we'd have universal child care in exchange for gov't completely getting out of medical care, except for maybe the disabled...that might be something.
We aren't ever going to be a society that's willing to hand over 40-50% of our paycheck to the gov't for services. Even that makes me cringe.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 23, 2019 11:17:38 GMT -5
I would just be happy if all daycare costs were completely tax deductible on a national and local level. I think that would be more fair and that would be a mechanism for it to go where it wold be most useful on a societal basis, vs. providing it for free.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Mar 7, 2019 22:26:37 GMT -5
My jaded side just views this as another way women get shortchanged and are second class citizens. As a woman a lot of my 'choices' come with some pretty high price tags - and they may not all be monetary costs. And one of the choices you can make is to go into a well paying field, marry a guy who is willing to be a stay at home dad while the kids are young, and deal with the fact that you're not going to have that second income for a while (if ever), along with the risks associated with it. Plenty of men do this. And the barriers keeping women from doing the same have been gone for a long time.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Mar 7, 2019 22:36:02 GMT -5
I have audited tax returns and prepared tax returns for people who had in home day care centers. They barely made a profit. Where is their money going? I've heard that a lot of it goes to liability insurance. From my perspective, having a company come in and run before and after care in an existing school building makes a lot more sense than having the kids transported to and from separate facilities. And I can get behind universal pre-k, not because I think that much learning goes on (their brains aren't really ready for it), but because you can save a ton of money in the long run if learning disabilities are dealt with sooner. But using taxpayer money to encourage women to leave pre-verbal children in the care of poorly paid strangers is a whole other kettle of fish.
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Post by zibazinski on Mar 8, 2019 10:13:50 GMT -5
If childcare expenses are made tax deductible, I think health insurance premiums should be as well.
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Post by hoops902 on Mar 8, 2019 10:34:52 GMT -5
If childcare expenses are made tax deductible, I think health insurance premiums should be as well. Ditto for mortgage payments, car payments, food.
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Post by ednkris on Mar 9, 2019 21:31:32 GMT -5
i'm pro life for child birth i'm also in favor of state sponsored child health care for the needed. Note I said state sponsored not federal. As far as daycare that should be the responsibility of the parents. There is already dependent care hsa accounts that is more than enough benefit. My wife and I raised our kids and handled it ourselves we always worked opposite shifts so we raised our kids not daycare, sitters or other family members. I know that was for us but there shouldn't be free child daycare.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 21:37:41 GMT -5
i'm pro life for child birth i'm also in favor of state sponsored child health care for the needed. Note I said state sponsored not federal. As far as daycare that should be the responsibility of the parents. There is already dependent care hsa accounts that is more than enough benefit. My wife and I raised our kids and handled it ourselves we always worked opposite shifts so we raised our kids not daycare, sitters or other family members. I know that was for us but there shouldn't be free child daycare. IF your employer offers that benefit, and the limit is only 5K that can be put in there. That doesn't put a dent in some people's childcare expenses. I think expanding that limit to something more realistic would be a big help. Also, make it not an employer dependent benefit. Have it like an IRA where anyone can open an account.
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Post by ednkris on Mar 9, 2019 21:45:37 GMT -5
i'm pro life for child birth i'm also in favor of state sponsored child health care for the needed. Note I said state sponsored not federal. As far as daycare that should be the responsibility of the parents. There is already dependent care hsa accounts that is more than enough benefit. My wife and I raised our kids and handled it ourselves we always worked opposite shifts so we raised our kids not daycare, sitters or other family members. I know that was for us but there shouldn't be free child daycare. IF your employer offers that benefit, and the limit is only 5K that can be put in there. That doesn't put a dent in some people's childcare expenses. I think expanding that limit to something more realistic would be a big help. Also, make it not an employer dependent benefit. Have it like an IRA where anyone can open an account. agree
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Post by tcu2003 on Mar 9, 2019 21:52:37 GMT -5
i'm pro life for child birth i'm also in favor of state sponsored child health care for the needed. Note I said state sponsored not federal. As far as daycare that should be the responsibility of the parents. There is already dependent care hsa accounts that is more than enough benefit. My wife and I raised our kids and handled it ourselves we always worked opposite shifts so we raised our kids not daycare, sitters or other family members. I know that was for us but there shouldn't be free child daycare. That’s presumptuous of you to think that parents who work and send their kids to daycare, sitters or other family members are not raising their children. Does that extend to parents who send their children to public or private school instead of homeschooling? My kids go to daycare (well, public school now for the oldest), and my DH and I are raising them, thank you very much. Do we have a support system that includes some incredible daycare teachers and our family members? Absolutely. But make no mistake - DH and I are the ones raising our children.
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Post by ednkris on Mar 9, 2019 22:02:18 GMT -5
i'm pro life for child birth i'm also in favor of state sponsored child health care for the needed. Note I said state sponsored not federal. As far as daycare that should be the responsibility of the parents. There is already dependent care hsa accounts that is more than enough benefit. My wife and I raised our kids and handled it ourselves we always worked opposite shifts so we raised our kids not daycare, sitters or other family members. I know that was for us but there shouldn't be free child daycare. That’s presumptuous of you to think that parents who work and send their kids to daycare, sitters or other family members are not raising their children. Does that extend to parents who send their children to public or private school instead of homeschooling? My kids go to daycare (well, public school now for the oldest), and my DH and I are raising them, thank you very much. Do we have a support system that includes some incredible daycare teachers and our family members? Absolutely. But make no mistake - DH and I are the ones raising our children. not presumptuous at all. I'm not saying your wrong or not good parents. It works for you i was just saying we went more old traditional route. Did we have a babysitter at times- sure, did aunts and uncles watch the girls at times -sure. When it came to work and having the kids with someone for long periods for days at a time for "US" we sacrificed so we could do it ourselves. The thread was about high cost of daycare this was our way of dealing with that.
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Post by giramomma on Mar 10, 2019 15:26:22 GMT -5
not presumptuous at all. I'm not saying your wrong or not good parents. It works for you i was just saying we went more old traditional route. Did we have a babysitter at times- sure, did aunts and uncles watch the girls at times -sure. When it came to work and having the kids with someone for long periods for days at a time for "US" we sacrificed so we could do it ourselves. The thread was about high cost of daycare this was our way of dealing with that. My husband and I flip/flop hours around and use vacation as well so that we can avoid daycare costs. I even go so traditional as to really push for my husband to stay working part time so he can transition to elder care.
I would never presume that daycare workers, preschool teachers, or 4k-12 teachers raise any of our kids. Do you?
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 10, 2019 16:08:38 GMT -5
If childcare expenses are made tax deductible, I think health insurance premiums should be as well. Ditto for mortgage payments, car payments, food. The need for childcare is a direct result of earning income from a job (excluding date-night babysitters). These other things are not.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 10, 2019 16:54:17 GMT -5
Ditto for mortgage payments, car payments, food. The need for childcare is a direct result of earning income from a job (excluding date-night babysitters). These other things are not. Clothes for work (not clothes I wear outside of work) and I need a car to get to and from work each day (25 miles each way). I’m sure there are more but those two popped into my head
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 10, 2019 17:00:18 GMT -5
The need for childcare is a direct result of earning income from a job (excluding date-night babysitters). These other things are not. Clothes for work (not clothes I wear outside of work) and I need a car to get to and from work each day (25 miles each way). I’m sure there are more but those two popped into my head I think at least some of that, you used to be able to itemize (i.e., mileage & uniforms), not sure with the latest tax laws, as I never itemized anyhow. I would be fine with those being tax deductible too.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 10, 2019 17:36:43 GMT -5
Clothes for work (not clothes I wear outside of work) and I need a car to get to and from work each day (25 miles each way). I’m sure there are more but those two popped into my head I think at least some of that, you used to be able to itemize (i.e., mileage & uniforms), not sure with the latest tax laws, as I never itemized anyhow. I would be fine with those being tax deductible too. Commuting miles were never deductible and my clothes, while required, do not fit the definition of a uniform (I could wear them elsewhere if I wanted to but I dress much more casually outside of work. And they were subject to a floor before they were deductible.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Mar 10, 2019 17:37:29 GMT -5
Commuting has never been deductible. Uniforms are deductible, but clothes you could wear elsewhere are not. Panty hose are not deductible. (I have seen those deducted). Under the new tax law, employee business expenses are no longer deductible, so these no longer matter. on your tax return.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 10, 2019 18:06:08 GMT -5
I think at least some of that, you used to be able to itemize (i.e., mileage & uniforms), not sure with the latest tax laws, as I never itemized anyhow. I would be fine with those being tax deductible too. Commuting miles were never deductible and my clothes, while required, do not fit the definition of a uniform (I could wear them elsewhere if I wanted to but I dress much more casually outside of work. And they were subject to a floor before they were deductible. We were discussing hypothetical deductions. I mentioned the things I did because they are related to work clothes and commuting costs www.irs.gov/tax-professionals/standard-mileage-ratesso these types of deductions are not unprecedented. Although you're trying to argue against deducting daycare costs because of these other things, I think they should be included, too. So
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 10, 2019 18:14:48 GMT -5
Commuting miles were never deductible and my clothes, while required, do not fit the definition of a uniform (I could wear them elsewhere if I wanted to but I dress much more casually outside of work. And they were subject to a floor before they were deductible. We were discussing hypothetical deductions. I mentioned the things I did because they are related to work clothes and commuting costs www.irs.gov/tax-professionals/standard-mileage-ratesso these types of deductions are not unprecedented. Although you're trying to argue against deducting daycare costs because of these other things, I think they should be included, too. So You said “I think some of that used to be deductible”. I was telling you that they weren’t. Business miles are deductible but that isn’t the miles from my house to work. Those miles have never been deductible. If I have to go to another site once I am at work, that was deductible if it wasn’t reimbursed by my employer. But you also had a floor you had to exceed before they were deductible. My point is that the costs to commute are just as much a necessary part of working as daycare. In fact, I would say more since every employed worker has commuting costs (well, not WAHM) but not everyone has daycare costs. And I’m not saying you aren’t agreeing that these should be deductible. I’m saying it wasn’t the tax changed that made these non-deductible
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Post by zibazinski on Mar 10, 2019 19:00:18 GMT -5
Since everyone benefits from having health insurance, not just some people, being able to deduct those premiums would benefit everyone.
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