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Post by dezii on Feb 11, 2019 21:49:44 GMT -5
Gov't open...now it's up to the Donald to agree or not...My guess..? Think not…..
I believe he is less concerned about his parties chances of election in 2020, more about himself...Figures he keeps his base...plays up his accomplishments..whether it's because of his doing or not...if on his watch he takes credit...Employment...better deals on foreign trade etc...which will get him votes...Figuring Dems will be split and fact is a sitting POTUS harder to unseat...he's willing to take his chances...thus another shut down in his mind, won't really affect him as much as some feel it will..I believe it will affect average GOP candidate but as said, don't think he cares that much about them...figures work with Dems where possible and rule by Presidential orders where not..
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 11, 2019 21:54:08 GMT -5
Any details desi?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 11, 2019 22:55:11 GMT -5
There is the option of overriding a veto.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 12, 2019 0:13:31 GMT -5
There is the option of overriding a veto. I would LOVE to see that happen.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 12, 2019 0:26:28 GMT -5
Dan Rather says the deal has already been vetoed by Sean Hannity
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Post by tbop77 on Feb 12, 2019 5:08:09 GMT -5
Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney said if Congress doesn’t agree to President Donald Trump’s request for $5.7 billion for a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border “we’ll figure out a way to do it with executive authority.”
Mulvaney, in an interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity on Wednesday, said officials are looking at multiple options and that the approach may be to “ find the money that we can spend with the lowest threat of litigation and then move from that pot of money to the next pot that maybe brings a little bit more threat of litigation and then go through the budget like that.”finbestnews.com/politics/mulvaney-says-trump-can-get-his-wall-with-executive-authority/Does this surprise anyone?
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Feb 12, 2019 5:21:38 GMT -5
Mulvaney is still director of OMB. That gives 45 a way to know where money can be pulled from?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 12, 2019 9:20:06 GMT -5
There is the option of overriding a veto. I would LOVE to see that happen. that would be the BEST outcome, imo. it would also be the defacto end of the Trump presidency.
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Post by dezii on Feb 12, 2019 9:58:32 GMT -5
There is the option of overriding a veto. There is always that but I am not sure if enough GOP senators are ready to make that type of commitment against the Donald...still afraid of his base unless these Senators are not up for reelection in 2020ggg The man will turn on them like sharks in a feeding frenzy..striking out with little thought who he may be biting...As far as party loyalty...man is loyal only to himself and supporters till supporters disagree with him...then watch out.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 12, 2019 19:10:36 GMT -5
LOL. Is Coulter calling trump a sissy boy?
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 12, 2019 19:18:13 GMT -5
Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney said if Congress doesn’t agree to President Donald Trump’s request for $5.7 billion for a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border “we’ll figure out a way to do it with executive authority.”
Mulvaney, in an interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity on Wednesday, said officials are looking at multiple options and that the approach may be to “ find the money that we can spend with the lowest threat of litigation and then move from that pot of money to the next pot that maybe brings a little bit more threat of litigation and then go through the budget like that.”finbestnews.com/politics/mulvaney-says-trump-can-get-his-wall-with-executive-authority/Does this surprise anyone? I was reading an article on this - if they pull money from other budget items to pay for the wall, that almost guarantees a court case.
Congress approves the money, and if they approve 4 billion for military installations, and Trump snitches it for his wall, that a misappropriation of funds. Congress still controls the purse strings.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 12, 2019 19:33:46 GMT -5
... I was reading an article on this - if they pull money from other budget items to pay for the wall, that almost guarantees a court case. Congress approves the money, and if they approve 4 billion for military installations, and Trump snitches it for his wall, that a misappropriation of funds. Congress still controls the purse strings. I wish Congress wouldn't go to the third branch of government. Censure, if necessary impeach, and remove him if he doesn't put it back. If Congress still has any control, enforce it.
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Post by ednkris on Feb 12, 2019 20:42:54 GMT -5
I wish he would do it. Let it go to court
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 12, 2019 21:08:01 GMT -5
I wish he would do it. Let it go to court I wish he would respect the Constitution of the United States but if not, so be it. A benefit of him doing it now would be that the American people could use it to support or reject ever increasing presidential power.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 12, 2019 21:15:33 GMT -5
I wish he would do it. Let it go to court Do you want to take a chance with Chief Justice John Roberts? Do you?
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Post by dezii on Feb 12, 2019 22:08:05 GMT -5
I wish he would do it. Let it go to court Do you want to take a chance with Chief Justice John Roberts? Do you? Better that then another government shut down and not paying workers...So far Roberts has shown he is a responsible chief Justice..following and upholding the Constitution
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 12, 2019 22:14:44 GMT -5
Do you want to take a chance with Chief Justice John Roberts? Do you? Better that then another government shut down and not paying workers...So far Roberts has shown he is a responsible chief Justice..following and upholding the Constitution Robert's is not the sure thing Republicans thought he would be.
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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 12, 2019 22:20:01 GMT -5
There is the option of overriding a veto. This is what should happen. It would prove to Trump and the rest of the world that you really are still a democracy. At this point he is trying to be a dictator and not making any attempt to actually negotiate with the other elected officials.
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Post by dondub on Feb 12, 2019 22:21:07 GMT -5
He's not an activist judge legislating from the bench like they have claimed liberal justices do. Joke's on them.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 13, 2019 7:48:34 GMT -5
Notice the subtle change in his wording - 'FINISH' the wall, rather than BUILD the wall.
He did the same kind of thing at his rally in El Paso - claimed that they had begun construction on a wonderful 21 mile long section of the wall nearby, and all they had to do was finish it up. In truth, all they had done was send in some bushhoggers to remove some brush.
This is going to be his 2020 campaign slogan - we've begun this magnificent wall, now you have to re-elect me to finish it. However, as of today, we haven't added a single extra mile of wall during his first two years in office, and with this 'deal' he just made, he only gets 1.7 of the 5.7 billion he wanted, which is a mere drop in the bucket towards building that stupid wall. But he'll act like this is going to allow him to make tremendous progress, but he will insist he has to be re-elected in 2020 so he can 'FINISH THE WALL.' And all the gullible trumpettes will buy into that lie, like they buy into the rest of them, and become convinced we are so much safer because of this fabulous, imaginary wall that is nearing completion.
This is so much like the emperor's new clothes it's not even funny anymore.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 13, 2019 8:17:53 GMT -5
I wish he would do it. Let it go to court Do you want to take a chance with Chief Justice John Roberts? Do you? Yes. Actually I'm willing to do that.
Roberts is VERY concerned with the legacy of "his" Supreme Court. That's why he helped with that Louisiana abortion case last week, in my opinion.
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Post by ednkris on Feb 13, 2019 9:31:58 GMT -5
I wish he would do it. Let it go to court Do you want to take a chance with Chief Justice John Roberts? Do you? Sure do.....if negotiating failed which has and will because dems refuse to approve the money, then let it run its course so we can move on.
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Post by tbop77 on Feb 13, 2019 9:53:41 GMT -5
Notice the subtle change in his wording - 'FINISH' the wall, rather than BUILD the wall.
He did the same kind of thing at his rally in El Paso - claimed that they had begun construction on a wonderful 21 mile long section of the wall nearby, and all they had to do was finish it up. In truth, all they had done was send in some bushhoggers to remove some brush.
This is going to be his 2020 campaign slogan - we've begun this magnificent wall, now you have to re-elect me to finish it. However, as of today, we haven't added a single extra mile of wall during his first two years in office, and with this 'deal' he just made, he only gets 1.7 of the 5.7 billion he wanted, which is a mere drop in the bucket towards building that stupid wall. But he'll act like this is going to allow him to make tremendous progress, but he will insist he has to be re-elected in 2020 so he can 'FINISH THE WALL.' And all the gullible trumpettes will buy into that lie, like they buy into the rest of them, and become convinced we are so much safer because of this fabulous, imaginary wall that is nearing completion.
This is so much like the emperor's new clothes it's not even funny anymore.
Like Mexico is going to pay for it?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 13, 2019 10:34:07 GMT -5
... .....if negotiating failed which has and will because dems refuse to approve the money, then let it run its course so we can move on. The President has requested that funds be allocated, fulfilling his constitutional duty. The Congress has considered and rejected that request, fulfilling their constitutional duty. It has run its course and we should move on.
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Post by dezii on Feb 13, 2019 13:25:06 GMT -5
Notice the subtle change in his wording - 'FINISH' the wall, rather than BUILD the wall.
He did the same kind of thing at his rally in El Paso - claimed that they had begun construction on a wonderful 21 mile long section of the wall nearby, and all they had to do was finish it up. In truth, all they had done was send in some bushhoggers to remove some brush.
This is going to be his 2020 campaign slogan - we've begun this magnificent wall, now you have to re-elect me to finish it. However, as of today, we haven't added a single extra mile of wall during his first two years in office, and with this 'deal' he just made, he only gets 1.7 of the 5.7 billion he wanted, which is a mere drop in the bucket towards building that stupid wall. But he'll act like this is going to allow him to make tremendous progress, but he will insist he has to be re-elected in 2020 so he can 'FINISH THE WALL.' And all the gullible trumpettes will buy into that lie, like they buy into the rest of them, and become convinced we are so much safer because of this fabulous, imaginary wall that is nearing completion.
This is so much like the emperor's new clothes it's not even funny anymore.
Like Mexico is going to pay for it?
Those supporters, his base...the 30/35% of his support will never change , no matter what...the raciest among them is explainable as they will never have a POTUS to lead like him so it means the 65% against have to stand firm...even compromise , not split vote...even accept if candidate isn't everything one wants, otherwise it will be four more years and doubt the country will recover from that... Just reported today, Nations debt is a bit over 22 Trillion now...getting close to where interest on debt equalizing Nation our GDP...under the Donald two Trillion added.... his supporters for the most part have no clue what that really means , how it is affecting them and for the members of his party who do...believe they have given up./..living for today...even their kids and grandkids futures is really little concern to them... ---------- Edited to remove empty space- deminmaine- Moderator
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 13, 2019 15:47:23 GMT -5
Do you want to take a chance with Chief Justice John Roberts? Do you? Sure do..... if negotiating failed which has and will because dems refuse to approve the money, then let it run its course so we can move on. What negotiations failed? They reached a bi-partisan agreement. The only question is whether the man on the golden throne can stop spreading sh*t around and sign the deal. And that guy is by no means of the imagination a "dem"
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 13, 2019 15:57:14 GMT -5
Trump said that he took all the responsibility for the last shutdown, but this time it would be in the dems. That isn't exactly as I remember it.
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