Stacey Abrams to give rebuttal....

[kadee79]

to DT's SOTU...just came over CNN.

[happyhoix]

Whoo hoo!

She's a good speaker.

[Value Buy]

Really not sure she is the right person. Does she really have national name recognition to the country as a whole or just us political wonks?
Wonder if Nancy and Chuck decided they could not make a choice on one potential Presidential candidate to do it because they would piss off the other 25?




Okay, 25 is a reach today. Next month it might be a little light

[Value Buy]

Maybe they should have allowed Hillary the last word!

She could start out saying to America........Miss me now?

[tallguy]

Jan 29, 2019 16:21:08 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Maybe they should have allowed Hillary the last word!

She could start out saying to America........Miss me now?

The answer would be, "YES!!  We're sorry!!  We didn't mean it, really."   

[laterbloomer]

Who is she?

[Tennesseer]

Jan 29, 2019 20:04:12 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Who is she?

Link below:

Stacey Abrams

[kadee79]

Jan 29, 2019 20:04:12 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Who is she?

Even with all the voters that were removed from the registers and cheating several other ways like not replacing voting machines that can easily be hacked...she nearly pulled an upset for the Governorship in the state of Ga.
She got national coverage during much of the battle and more after the votes had been counted.
And she currently has a lawsuit against the state to straighten out the voting down here.
She has also been being urged to run for President...but I don't think she will do that & I also don't think she is quite ready...she wants to straighten out this state first, then maybe on to higher ambitions.

And won't it just frost DT that it is a woman, a BLACK WOMAN who will give the rebuttal!

[djAdvocate]

Jan 29, 2019 20:04:12 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Who is she?

a very interesting candidate for governor, I believe. she lost.

[dezii]

Jan 29, 2019 16:19:49 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Really not sure she is the right person. Does she really have national name recognition to the country as a whole or just us political wonks?
Wonder if Nancy and Chuck decided they could not make a choice on one potential Presidential candidate to do it because they would piss off the other 25?




Okay, 25 is a reach today. Next month it might be a little light

If she is a good speaker and is honest in her rebuttal where needed it should work out ok...To bad can't bring back Teddy ...now there is a rebuttal guy...

[dezii]

Jan 29, 2019 20:34:28 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Jan 29, 2019 20:04:12 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Who is she?

Even with all the voters that were removed from the registers and cheating several other ways like not replacing voting machines that can easily be hacked...she nearly pulled an upset for the Governorship in the state of Ga.
She got national coverage during much of the battle and more after the votes had been counted.
And she currently has a lawsuit against the state to straighten out the voting down here.
She has also been being urged to run for President...but I don't think she will do that & I also don't think she is quite ready...she wants to straighten out this state first, then maybe on to higher ambitions.

And won't it just frost DT that it is a woman, a BLACK WOMAN who will give the rebuttal!

Good point...would think that would temper his name giving and dissing of her charector..educated woman and a minority one at that...he has enough problems already with that demographic...though it probable would help him with that base of his...make up for their feelings of betrayal on the wall..

Hmmmmm...dammed if I do, dammed if I don't. This is a puzzlement....

[Gardening Grandma]

Jan 30, 2019 1:30:09 GMT -5 dezii said:

Jan 29, 2019 20:34:28 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Even with all the voters that were removed from the registers and cheating several other ways like not replacing voting machines that can easily be hacked...she nearly pulled an upset for the Governorship in the state of Ga.
She got national coverage during much of the battle and more after the votes had been counted.
And she currently has a lawsuit against the state to straighten out the voting down here.
She has also been being urged to run for President...but I don't think she will do that & I also don't think she is quite ready...she wants to straighten out this state first, then maybe on to higher ambitions.

And won't it just frost DT that it is a woman, a BLACK WOMAN who will give the rebuttal!

Good point...would think that would temper his name giving and dissing of her charector..educated woman and a minority one at that...he has enough problems already with that demographic...though it probable would help him with that base of his...make up for their feelings of betrayal on the wall..

Hmmmmm...dammed if I do, dammed if I don't. This is a puzzlement....

Yes, a black, educated female who is better qualified for his job than he is... 

[Value Buy]

Jan 30, 2019 1:18:39 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 29, 2019 20:04:12 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Who is she?

a very interesting candidate for governor, I believe. she lost.

And there you have it. Laterbloomer is a Canadian, so she can be excused for not knowing her.
For dj, to say he thought she ran for Governor, shows the lack of national recognition. If dj who is so knowledgeable in politics did not really know much about her, shows this might be a bad choice.
Maybe Nancy wants her on the ticket in the next election, but there had to be a dozen of better well known politicians who could give the rebuttal.
Strange choice imo, but then when we saw Nancy and Chuck's rebuttal of Trump's last speech we saw how awful they looked together, so maybe Abram's is a sacrificial lamb being put out there so political pundits could not rip her apart due to her lack of national recognition.
I think Trump should change things up and not give out the speech in advance, and then let her rebutt it in real time without any knowledge on the speech in advance.

[Value Buy]

Jan 30, 2019 2:08:53 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Jan 30, 2019 1:30:09 GMT -5 dezii said:

Good point...would think that would temper his name giving and dissing of her charector..educated woman and a minority one at that...he has enough problems already with that demographic...though it probable would help him with that base of his...make up for their feelings of betrayal on the wall..

Hmmmmm...dammed if I do, dammed if I don't. This is a puzzlement....

Yes, a black, educated female who is better qualified for his job than he is... 

Is she the first black woman to give a rebuttal to a SOTU speech?

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Jan 30, 2019 5:43:39 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jan 30, 2019 1:18:39 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

a very interesting candidate for governor, I believe. she lost.

And there you have it. Laterbloomer is a Canadian, so she can be excused for not knowing her.
For dj, to say he thought she ran for Governor, shows the lack of national recognition. If dj who is so knowledgeable in politics did not really know much about her, shows this might be a bad choice.
Maybe Nancy wants her on the ticket in the next election, but there had to be a dozen of better well known politicians who could give the rebuttal.
Strange choice imo, but then when we saw Nancy and Chuck's rebuttal of Trump's last speech we saw how awful they looked together, so maybe Abram's is a sacrificial lamb being put out there so political pundits could not rip her apart due to her lack of national recognition.
I think Trump should change things up and not give out the speech in advance, and then let her rebutt it in real time without any knowledge on the speech in advance.

I do not believe dj was doubting his knowledge of Ms Abrams. I do believe he was stating that he believed she was a very interesting candidate for governor.

[happyhoix]

Jan 30, 2019 5:43:39 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jan 30, 2019 1:18:39 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

a very interesting candidate for governor, I believe. she lost.

And there you have it. Laterbloomer is a Canadian, so she can be excused for not knowing her.
For dj, to say he thought she ran for Governor, shows the lack of national recognition. If dj who is so knowledgeable in politics did not really know much about her, shows this might be a bad choice.
Maybe Nancy wants her on the ticket in the next election, but there had to be a dozen of better well known politicians who could give the rebuttal.
Strange choice imo, but then when we saw Nancy and Chuck's rebuttal of Trump's last speech we saw how awful they looked together, so maybe Abram's is a sacrificial lamb being put out there so political pundits could not rip her apart due to her lack of national recognition.
I think Trump should change things up and not give out the speech in advance, and then let her rebutt it in real time without any knowledge on the speech in advance.

I think the Dems wanted a fresh face. Don't you think the voters are worn out with all the usual Washington politicians flapping their mouths?

Even though she lost, she didn't lose by much, in a State that is fairly red, with a lot of white rural areas that would never vote for someone who isn't white - despite that, she did well in the suburbs and urban areas. She's very well spoken, and talks frankly about her troubled brother, who has MH issues and a criminal record, and her own financial problems (mostly from helping family members). Georgia Dems are considering putting her up  for the Senate.

If the Dems are trying to show that they're the inclusive party, they picked a good representative.

[bean29]

Along with other democratic goals like end citizens united, end gerrymandering, focus attention on republican shennanigans to make it difficult/discourage minorities to vote. I think maybe they are laying groundwork for their platform.

[Gardening Grandma]

Jan 30, 2019 5:45:57 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jan 30, 2019 2:08:53 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Yes, a black, educated female who is better qualified for his job than he is... 

Is she the first black woman to give a rebuttal to a SOTU speech?

She’ll be the first black woman to rebut a White Nationalistic, racist, misogynistic president.

[happyhoix]

Jan 30, 2019 12:42:59 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Jan 30, 2019 5:45:57 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Is she the first black woman to give a rebuttal to a SOTU speech?

She’ll be the first black woman to rebut a White Nationalistic, racist, misogynistic president.

Are we placing odds on whether or not Trump makes a misogynistic or racist jab at her, during his inevitable post speech tweet storm?

He just keeps digging the GOP a deeper hole. And they stand around and watch him do it.

[tallguy]

Strange choice imo

If she does well, it puts her more on the national stage, but I'm not sure how coveted a gig it is.  Chris Christie was on with Stephen Colbert last night, and related how he on two different occasions declined the request to give the SOTU rebuttal.  Asked why, he said, "Because it sucks!"       

[kadee79]

Well, I do believe I remember someone, Rubio?, who had to take a drink of water during their rebuttal.

[kadee79]

Here is some more info about Stacey...

Early life and education[edit]

Abrams, one of six siblings, was born to Robert and Carolyn Abrams in Madison, Wisconsin and raised in Gulfport, Mississippi.[3] The family moved to Atlanta, where her parents pursued graduate school and later became Methodist ministers.[4][5] She attended Avondale High School, was selected for a Telluride Association Summer Program.[6] While in high school, she was hired as a typist for a congressional campaign and was later hired as a speechwriter at age 17 based on the edits she made while typing.[6]

In 1995, Abrams earned her Bachelor of Arts in Interdisciplinary Studies (Political Science, Economics and Sociology) from Spelman College, magna semen laude.[1] While in college, Abrams worked in the youth services department in the office of Atlanta mayor Maynard Jackson.[6] She later interned at the Environmental Protection Agency.[6] As a freshman, she took part in a protest on the steps of the Georgia Capitol in 1992 in which she joined in the burning of the state flag, which at the time incorporated the Confederate battle flag, which had been added to the state flag in 1956 as an anti-civil rights movement gesture.[7][8]

As a Harry S. Truman Scholar, Abrams studied public policy at the University of Texas at Austin's LBJ School of Public Affairs and earned a Master of Public Affairs degree in 1998. In 1999, she earned a law degree from Yale Law School.[1]

Legal and business career[edit]

After graduating from law school, Abrams worked as a tax attorney at the Sutherland Asbill & Brennan law firm in Atlanta, with a focus on tax-exempt organizations, health care, and public finance.[1] In 2010, while a member of the Georgia General Assembly, Abrams co-founded and served as the senior vice president of NOW Corp. (formerly NOWaccount Network Corporation), a financial services firm.[9][10]

Abrams also co-founded Nourish, Inc., a beverage company with a focus on infants and toddlers.[11] In addition, Abrams is CEO of Sage Works, a legal consulting firm that has represented clients including the Atlanta Dream of the WNBA.[12]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacey_Abrams

[kadee79]

And just a bit more from the same link as above...

In 2002, at age 29, Abrams was appointed the Deputy City Attorney for Atlanta.[1][13]

Georgia General Assembly, 2007–2017[edit] 

Abrams represented House District 89, which includes portions of the City of Atlanta and unincorporated DeKalb County,[14] covering the communities of Candler Park, Cedar Grove, Columbia, Druid Hills, Edgewood, Highland Park, Kelley Lake, Kirkwood, Lake Claire, South DeKalb, Toney Valley, and Tilson.[15] Abrams served on the following committees: Appropriations, Ethics, Judiciary Non-Civil, Rules and Ways & Means.[16]

Abrams first major action as Minority Leader was her cooperation with Republican Governor Nathan Deal's administration to reform the HOPE Scholarship Program. Abrams co-sponsored the 2011 legislation that preserved the HOPE program by decreasing the scholarship amount paid to Georgia students and funded a 1% low-interest loan program for students.[17]

According to TIME magazine, Abrams "can credibly boast of having single-handedly stopped the largest tax increase in Georgia history."[18] In 2011, Abrams argued that a Republican proposal to cut income taxes while increasing a tax on cable service would lead to net increase in taxes paid by most people.[18] Abrams performed an analysis of the bill, showed that 82% of Georgians would see net tax increases, and then left a copy of the analysis on the desk of every house legislator.[18] Subsequently, the bill failed.[18]

As house minority leader, Abrams worked with Deal on criminal-justice reforms that reduced prison costs without increasing crime.[18] She also worked with Republicans on the state's biggest-ever public-transportation funding package.[18]

Sooooo, who still thinks she isn't qualified to give a rebuttal speech?  I'd say she is more likely over qualified & certainly more educated & intelligent than the one giving the SOTU.

[tallguy]

Jan 30, 2019 14:00:37 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Well, I do believe I remember someone, Rubio?, who had to take a drink of water during their rebuttal.

The two people who DID give the rebuttal after Christie declined, were Bobby Jindal and Marco Rubio.  How well did that turn out for either of them?   

[dezii]

Jan 30, 2019 5:43:39 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jan 30, 2019 1:18:39 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

a very interesting candidate for governor, I believe. she lost.

And there you have it. Laterbloomer is a Canadian, so she can be excused for not knowing her.
For dj, to say he thought she ran for Governor, shows the lack of national recognition. If dj who is so knowledgeable in politics did not really know much about her, shows this might be a bad choice.
Maybe Nancy wants her on the ticket in the next election, but there had to be a dozen of better well known politicians who could give the rebuttal.
Strange choice imo, but then when we saw Nancy and Chuck's rebuttal of Trump's last speech we saw how awful they looked together, so maybe Abram's is a sacrificial lamb being put out there so political pundits could not rip her apart due to her lack of national recognition.
I think Trump should change things up and not give out the speech in advance, and then let her rebutt it in real time without any knowledge on the speech in advance.

I believe u are missing it...You are assuming the one who is giving the rebuttal is one who is seriouse  in putting their hat into the ring for the 2020 job of POTUS  which is not the case...just some one pointing out mis truths of the Donald in his SOTU speech which I believe will be many.

Why should we be thinking he will all of a sudden make a change in his make up. Man has never met a lie he was not comfortable with or giving.

[Value Buy]

Jan 30, 2019 14:43:18 GMT -5 dezii said:

Jan 30, 2019 5:43:39 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

And there you have it. Laterbloomer is a Canadian, so she can be excused for not knowing her.
For dj, to say he thought she ran for Governor, shows the lack of national recognition. If dj who is so knowledgeable in politics did not really know much about her, shows this might be a bad choice.
Maybe Nancy wants her on the ticket in the next election, but there had to be a dozen of better well known politicians who could give the rebuttal.
Strange choice imo, but then when we saw Nancy and Chuck's rebuttal of Trump's last speech we saw how awful they looked together, so maybe Abram's is a sacrificial lamb being put out there so political pundits could not rip her apart due to her lack of national recognition.
I think Trump should change things up and not give out the speech in advance, and then let her rebutt it in real time without any knowledge on the speech in advance.

I believe u are missing it...You are assuming the one who is giving the rebuttal is one who is seriouse  in putting their hat into the ring for the 2020 job of POTUS  which is not the case...just some one pointing out mis truths of the Donald in his SOTU speech which I believe will be many.

Why should we be thinking he will all of a sudden make a change in his make up. Man has never met a lie he was not comfortable with or giving.

Dezi, I get it she is not a "major political person" yet. When was the last time we had a rebuttal speaker whose claim to fame is she was robbed of the position she ran for at the state level?
That is not exactly the kind of bar to be reached to qualify for this speech, unless I guess you are a democrat.

[Value Buy]

Jan 30, 2019 14:22:02 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jan 30, 2019 14:00:37 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Well, I do believe I remember someone, Rubio?, who had to take a drink of water during their rebuttal.

The two people who DID give the rebuttal after Christie declined, were Bobby Jindal and Marco Rubio.  How well did that turn out for either of them?   

Ahh yes, that famous drink of refreshing water pause........destroyed a rising star.
At least one was a Governor and the other a Senator, and not the losing candidate for a state Governor position.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Jan 30, 2019 15:33:56 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jan 30, 2019 14:43:18 GMT -5 dezii said:

I believe u are missing it...You are assuming the one who is giving the rebuttal is one who is seriouse  in putting their hat into the ring for the 2020 job of POTUS  which is not the case...just some one pointing out mis truths of the Donald in his SOTU speech which I believe will be many.

Why should we be thinking he will all of a sudden make a change in his make up. Man has never met a lie he was not comfortable with or giving.

Dezi, I get it she is not a "major political person" yet. When was the last time we had a rebuttal speaker whose claim to fame is she was robbed of the position she ran for at the state level?
That is not exactly the kind of bar to be reached to qualify for this speech, unless I guess you are a democrat.

Just because she did not win the election does not make her a failure. Why is that a "low bar"? She is a highly qualified individual.

[Value Buy]

Jan 30, 2019 15:51:36 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Jan 30, 2019 15:33:56 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dezi, I get it she is not a "major political person" yet. When was the last time we had a rebuttal speaker whose claim to fame is she was robbed of the position she ran for at the state level?
That is not exactly the kind of bar to be reached to qualify for this speech, unless I guess you are a democrat.

Just because she did not win the election does not make her a failure. Why is that a "low bar"? She is a highly qualified individual.

Quite frankly I say let her do it. I just do not understand the logic.
Who knows, she might be the next Obama.
If that is too offensive to anyone here, the next female Obama.

[MN-Investor]

Should we take bets on Trump's tweeting after Abrams' rebuttal and attacking her intelligence? He'll certainly brand her a loser. Trump's basic "If you can't refute their facts, attack them personally" tweet.

Sad.