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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 3, 2011 10:06:45 GMT -5
Once again a big liberal government dependent has inadvertently swerved into the truth. This story by the state controlled media slaves at MSNBC sought to communicate that the GOP criticism, and in particular Sarah Palin's Tweet on the subject of Federal Funding for the Cowboy Poetry Festival was "much ado about nothing" because Federal funds only account for about 7% of the budget for the festival. Um, that kinda bolsters Sarah Palin's point. We are 14,000,000,000,000 in debt and Harry Reid is worried about the Cowboy Poetry Festival ending due to mean-spirited GOP budget cuts. We're $14 trillion in debt you idiot! It wouldn't matter if the stupid festival does end. At some point you have to prioritize. But the truth is, it wouldn't end- and the Executive Director of the Cowboy Poetry Festival admits it: on.msnbc.com/hZm6DoWe could continue if we lose that funding- but it's valuable to the survival of of a community event...? That last part wasn't in quotes- so is it commentary? At MSNBC you never know. But if the organization can't do with 7% reduction of its budget in an economy where the attendance in Nevada ($60 bucks a ticket) is likely to be substantially lower...then maybe it should die. But it likely CAN continue. The exaggeration wasn't on the part of the GOP and Sarah Palin who correctly and justly ridiculed the Priorities of the Democrat Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid. It was on the part of Harry Reid, and this dope who is the executive director. This isn't 1950. We don't have more money than we know what to do with. We can't throw money at other countrie's wars, subsidizing their defense, institute massive social programs, and fund every artsy fartsy dream some liberal dupe can dream up. We are $14 trillion in debt. Grow up, Harry. There's no money for this bullsh**.
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Post by ameiko on Apr 3, 2011 10:26:33 GMT -5
But Paul, supporting a poetry contest is CLEARLY within the Constitution! It's written right in it!
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 3, 2011 10:51:56 GMT -5
... Cowboy Poetry Festival ... There's no money for this bullsh**.It is a bunch of horse manure.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2011 10:55:59 GMT -5
Its not just a poetry fest... its the complete gutting of all arts and humanities budget... but hey... we can keep all the war we want... that's a good things...
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Apr 3, 2011 18:27:59 GMT -5
Its not just a poetry fest... its the complete gutting of all arts and humanities budget... but hey... we can keep all the war we want... that's a good things...
Arts and humanities are not covered by the constitution. The defense department and defending the country and US interests is. Defense department spending is keeping 100s of thousands of people employed in good paying jobs.
The artsy-craftsy crowd is not contributing to economic growth.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2011 18:47:23 GMT -5
Arts and Cultures promote the general welfare. You think our country would be better without museums? without artists and cultural events?
Maybe you should look up arts and tourism?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2011 18:50:31 GMT -5
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Apr 3, 2011 19:26:37 GMT -5
Arts and Cultures promote the general welfare. You think our country would be better without museums? without artists and cultural events? Maybe you should look up arts and tourism? General Welfare is not an enumerated power, but a restriction on the enumerated powers.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 3, 2011 21:30:52 GMT -5
Its not just a poetry fest... its the complete gutting of all arts and humanities budget... but hey... we can keep all the war we want... that's a good things... Um, Sarah Palin's point is quite simple: We owe $14 trillion dollars. Gotta prioritize. Maybe there's a federal arts and humanities mission written into the Constitution somewhere that a county circuit court judge in Wisconsin could find, but there's limited money available, so this will have to go. I seriously doubt anything Republicans did or want to do will "gut" the "arts and humanities" budget anyway. They ought to do it. But I doubt they have, or will attempt any such thing.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 3, 2011 21:34:40 GMT -5
I think you missed the OP. Federal funds account for just 7% of the total budget for the Cowboy Poetry Festival. I think the fact that we owe $14 trillion and there are liberals here willing to die on this hill is, in itself, a poetic demonstration of just how far off the cliff, and how far gone liberals really are. Is everything sacred? It can't be.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2011 22:43:38 GMT -5
No not everything is sacred. I'd love to see cuts to defense. I'd like us to start raising minimum ages for SS and making sure the subsidy ensures basic needs, but not a lot else... i want end of life planning covered by medicare... I want to deal with pharma on drugs/re-import. I want to stop pharma FRAUD of medicare/caid... which is extreme... and won't stop until we have criminal prosecutions. We need to rework the SSI program. I want to have all people but low income children pay scale adjusted premiums and deductables for care, (and i want everyone to be able to buy in). I want to get rid of the punative testing requirements in education, which suck way too much money away from instruction.
Just a few things...
But i've sat on panels that decide State Arts Grants before and i also know how much those programs bring to the community and again often to children, and so I can't see gutting the program. I would think everyone needs to cut back some, but a group of Republicans is currently calling to abolish the National Endowment for the Arts... (and Humanities too i believe)
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Apr 3, 2011 23:18:21 GMT -5
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Apr 3, 2011 23:25:37 GMT -5
The debt is nowhere near as bad as pubs fearmonger, and this is the wrong time to stop priming the pump. We'll prime the pump the Pub way, low taxes on the bloatedUber rich- but next year you're done. 70% say it's crappe, and now they're getting mad...none of these cuts would be needed- people are getting it.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 4, 2011 12:56:07 GMT -5
The debt is nowhere near as bad as pubs fearmonger, and this is the wrong time to stop priming the pump. We'll prime the pump the Pub way, low taxes on the bloatedUber rich- but next year you're done. 70% say it's crappe, and now they're getting mad...none of these cuts would be needed- people are getting it. We owe $14 trillion already. Obama is proposing borrowing another $1.67 trillion more in 2012. It's time to prioritize. If we are a country that isn't level headed enough to see that in light of these facts, the cowboy poetry festival is so easy a federal subsidy to cut that it should be automatic, then I'm not sure we shouldn't just say chuck it all and let it collapse. I never liked kids and old people anyway. Maybe we should just stand aside and allow Democrats to kill the entire federal safety net forcing an end to ALL programs, not just the cowboy poetry fest.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2011 13:00:49 GMT -5
Its easy to make fun of the cowboy poetry festival, because its a local cultural event with local meaning... but arts funding supports German Festivals here where that is our heritage, and Native American festivals where those populations live... etc. When we decided grants, it was always a rule you bated the merits of the project, not its cultural 'significance'... because that is personal/local. So yeah, we funded a heavy metal festival in addition to symphany music series...
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 4, 2011 13:03:08 GMT -5
It's founder admits federal funding is only 7% of the budget and the festival will go on without the federal funding relying on ticket sales ($60 each), sponsors, private grants, and state and local grants.
But the bottom line is that we owe $14 trillion, and we are staring down both barrels of Obama's $1.67 trillion in proposed new borrowing. ALL this stuff has to go.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2011 13:04:09 GMT -5
Again, i think all things need to be trimmed... i just don't think it needs to be gutted/ the department(s) done away with
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Post by floridayankee on Apr 4, 2011 13:07:31 GMT -5
If we are a country that isn't level headed enough to see that in light of these facts, the cowboy poetry festival is so easy a federal subsidy to cut that it should be automatic, then I'm not sure we shouldn't just say chuck it all and let it collapse. I'm about to the point where I say chuck it and let the collapse happen. Unfortunately, most people will never get it until it happens.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 4, 2011 13:52:11 GMT -5
Sorry, but this isn't one of the options. The Democrats keep presenting us with this false choice. Unfortunately due to years of a wild eyed, irresponsible, unsustainable spending spree-- we simply cannot afford these programs anymore. We either repair the social safety net, and trim the unnecessary luxuries, or we go bankrupt.
If we can't cut this program out of a $1.67 trillion dollar projected Obama deficit, then again- there's probably nothing we can cut.
Party's over. Time to clean up the mess.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2011 13:54:14 GMT -5
The wild eyed spending sprees didn't start significantly till Bush.... we managed to fund culture and disabled children before that... those things are actually very SMALL parts of the budget.... We can easily cut without getting rid of those things...
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Post by vonnie6200 on Apr 4, 2011 13:58:49 GMT -5
The wild eyed spending sprees didn't start significantly till Bush.... we managed to fund culture and disabled children before that... those things are actually very SMALL parts of the budget.... We can easily cut without getting rid of those things... Culture is nice to have but very much a luxury that we can not afford right now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2011 13:59:29 GMT -5
There is a young cowboy he lives on the range His horse and his cattle are his only companions He works in the saddle and he sleeps in the canyons Waiting for Summer, his pastures to change
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Apr 4, 2011 14:08:53 GMT -5
The wild eyed spending sprees didn't start significantly till Bush.... we managed to fund culture and disabled children before that... those things are actually very SMALL parts of the budget.... We can easily cut without getting rid of those things... Culture is nice to have but very much a luxury that we can not afford right now. Culture should, if it is so desired, be funded at the state and local level.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 4, 2011 14:12:53 GMT -5
The wild eyed spending sprees didn't start significantly till Bush.... we managed to fund culture and disabled children before that... those things are actually very SMALL parts of the budget.... We can easily cut without getting rid of those things... While BOTH parties are responsible for overspending, it seems only ONE party is proposing even modest spending cuts. Hopefully, we'll see some more aggressive proposals to get things under control a lot faster. It's still possible that if adopted, Paul Ryan's proposal will still bankrupt the country. It is a modest $4 trillion- at most $6 trillion in cuts over ten years which is not extraordinary when you consider that Obama proposes spending 30% to 40% of that number in his very next annual budget.
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Apr 4, 2011 14:18:32 GMT -5
The wild eyed spending sprees didn't start significantly till Bush.... we managed to fund culture and disabled children before that... those things are actually very SMALL parts of the budget.... We can easily cut without getting rid of those things... I think most conservatives would not be happy with the way Bush spent ( or rather the congresses during the Bush administration, since they do the spending)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2011 14:27:36 GMT -5
The point isn't to blame Bush (this time ) ... the point is that we've funded these things for a good long time without running ourselves into the ground... they don't have to be scrapped to bring us back to solid ground... Bush didn't add trillions of dollars to the National Endowment of the Arts in his run up... it doesn't all have to be cut from there now...
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Post by floridayankee on Apr 4, 2011 14:44:14 GMT -5
The wild eyed spending sprees didn't start significantly till Bush The spending spree started after the last federal deficit reduction in 1957, but if you want to believe it's all Bush's fault, I won't stop you. This right here is the crux of the problem. People have grown so accustomed to the entitlements that they are having a hard time distinguishing between wants and needs. I garuntee you OPED, no matter what is put on the table for cuts will have people just like you giving the exact same excuses as to why it should be cut when it's a tiny percentage of the budget and it "benefits" so many. Honestly, I'd love to see our federal government story posted on the YM boards put up for them to scrutinize. "I'm Uncle Sam I've lurked on the YM board for quite a while and decided to post my money problems. For the last 50 years, I have spent a ton of money on useless shit and I'm really over my head in debt. I'm finding that I'm completely unable to make ends meet even though I have $2.2 trillion dollar a year income. There is really nothing I can cut because it's all for necessary expenses. What can I do?"
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Post by vonnie6200 on Apr 4, 2011 14:49:28 GMT -5
The wild eyed spending sprees didn't start significantly till Bush The spending spree started after the last federal deficit reduction in 1957, but if you want to believe it's all Bush's fault, I won't stop you. This right here is the crux of the problem. People have grown so accustomed to the entitlements that they are having a hard time distinguishing between wants and needs. I garuntee you OPED, no matter what is put on the table for cuts will have people just like you giving the exact same excuses as to why it should be cut when it's a tiny percentage of the budget and it "benefits" so many. Honestly, I'd love to see our federal government story posted on the YM boards put up for them to scrutinize. "I'm Uncle Sam I've lurked on the YM board for quite a while and decided to post my money problems. For the last 50 years, I have spent a ton of money on useless shit and I'm really over my head in debt. I'm finding that I'm completely unable to make ends meet even though I have $2.2 trillion dollar a year income. There is really nothing I can cut because it's all for necessary expenses. What can I do?"
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Apr 4, 2011 14:56:07 GMT -5
Much of the "wild eyed" spending under Bush was the result of mandated social spending increases signed into law by Bill Clinton.
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