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Post by Value Buy on Dec 11, 2018 8:59:34 GMT -5
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Dec 11, 2018 9:10:11 GMT -5
Cuz...,
Putin.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 11, 2018 9:18:40 GMT -5
I realize this is not Cuba, circa early sixties, but if this escalates and Trump says pull them out, will the Democrats agree with him, or side with Putin? They may have to actually side with Trump! The horror!
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Post by bean29 on Dec 11, 2018 9:37:26 GMT -5
OK, so Russia says our Miltary Budget is enough to feed the whole of Africa - How does their Military budget compare to ours?
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 11, 2018 9:40:54 GMT -5
This is just part of why the Russians preferred Trump in the first place. Trump is a "disrupter", and American foreign policy is in disarray right now. Our goals are muddled, our allies are alienated, we have no clear policy on Latin America, let alone Venezuela (in fact we made vague threats against them, giving the Russians some dubious cover if they choose to go there). Trump is beholden to Putin on some level, how deeply we don't yet know, although Mueller may. This won't keep Trump in shackles no matter what the provocation, but it does give the Russians more rope. He is not in bed with Russia, but they may have pictures of him in bed (so to speak- the Compromat may be any number of things) The Russians did not prefer Trump because they "like" him or necessarily want to "get along with" the United States. They want to further their own goals and increase their own power and prestige, which they will do with or against the US. Venezuela, as a major oil producer, is a natural economic ally of the Russians if they can coordinate their energy export policy. Having V fall apart in economic disarray as they are now is a potentially destabilizing factor for Russian economic strategy. Venezuela, as an anti-American state in Latin America is a tempting plum for Russia to prop up and stabilize if they can. Okay.so we take what you suggest as true. What does Trump do about this? Where do the Democrats fall on the issue?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 9:54:45 GMT -5
The Soviets used the Cuban missile crisis to get the US to remove all of their missiles in Turkey, what are the Russians after now?
Putin does not want nuclear war with the US, this is all posturing.
I don’t know if Putin has anything on Trump but it sure is possible, if we see a one sided deal to get a couple planes out of Venezuela that gives the Russians something substantial from the US/NATO it would raise a red flag.
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 11, 2018 11:00:02 GMT -5
I don't think Trump will do much about this, specifically. He's mired in his own misery at the WH. It's not like the WH has anything like a war room anymore, it's just DT winging it. Just like he ran his business, just his big brain.
It will fall to the House and Senate to come up with a plan, and that's scary as shit. Hopefully, they can come together with a joint sense of standing against our enemy, and figure out what they want to do in a bi-partisan way. We're not going to be able to rely on our old allies. Not only are they not fans of Trump, they have their own shit to handle - Britain is mired in a Brexit swamp, and Macron has to figure out how to keep the radicals from burning down the capital. Germany is in the process of replacing Merkel. Canada is getting crap from China for holding one of their most prominent citizens. We'll have to do this on our own, and hopefully, calmer heads will prevail. That's about all we can hope for.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 11, 2018 11:15:15 GMT -5
Our new ambassador to the UN, Heather Nauert, should be able to handle it. She's got the diplomatic experience gained as a host on Fox & Friends .
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Post by NastyWoman on Dec 11, 2018 20:28:32 GMT -5
Our new ambassador to the UN, Heather Nauert, should be able to handle it. She's got the diplomatic experience gained as a host on Fox & Friends .
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Post by dondub on Dec 11, 2018 20:33:33 GMT -5
Trump ok'd this with Putin so of course the demos won't agree with him.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Dec 11, 2018 21:16:24 GMT -5
I don't trust that piece of crap any further then I could throw him. trump is worthless as tits on a boar.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 11, 2018 21:51:33 GMT -5
Speaking of being in bed with someone! Is this the fuckin she gets for the fuckin she got?? In true Trump style,, Screw some one make money doing it!! There now, I dropped down to your level of understanding.
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Post by dondub on Dec 11, 2018 23:00:45 GMT -5
It looks like you remained at your own level of understanding not that there is anything wrong with that .
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