Rand Paul Embarrasses Harry Reid

[henryclay]

Comments are unnecessary. Ron Paul hits the bullseye on this.

Posted on April 2, 2011 by Conservative Byte

On Wednesday, Paul, with little notice, attached an amendment to the small-business re-authorization bill. The amendment, which chastises President Obama for his actions in Libya, urges members to adopt the president’s own words as “the sense of the Senate.

To make his point, Paul quoted, in the legislative language, from Obama’s 2007 remarks on the subject: “The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.” According to Paul’s office, “the measure aims to put the Senate on record affirming Congress as the body with constitutional authority on matters of war.”

GOP sources tell National Review Online that Paul’s proposal flummoxed Reid, who does not want his members to have to weigh in on Obama’s dusty quote about congressional authority, even if the vote is only to table the measure.

conservativebyte.com/2011/04/rand-paul-embarrasses-harry-reid/

[billisonboard]

Apr 2, 2011 22:03:40 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Comments are unnecessary. Ron Paul hits the bullseye on this.

Posted on April 2, 2011 by Conservative Byte

On Wednesday, Paul, with little notice, attached an amendment to the small-business re-authorization bill. The amendment, which chastises President Obama for his actions in Libya, urges members to adopt the president’s own words as “the sense of the Senate.

To make his point, Paul quoted, in the legislative language, from Obama’s 2007 remarks on the subject: “The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.” According to Paul’s office, “the measure aims to put the Senate on record affirming Congress as the body with constitutional authority on matters of war.”

GOP sources tell National Review Online that Paul’s proposal flummoxed Reid, who does not want his members to have to weigh in on Obama’s dusty quote about congressional authority, even if the vote is only to table the measure.

conservativebyte.com/2011/04/rand-paul-embarrasses-harry-reid/

Quick study. A few months and he is already playing pointless political games like a long-term Senator.

[henryclay]

Yeah, I noticed that, too. I wonder what makes him think he's a full fledged member of the Senate. Heck, he ought to tell his voters they don't have a voice yet, that he'll ask permissin to have an opinion later.

[billisonboard]

Apr 2, 2011 22:38:46 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Yeah, I noticed that, too. I wonder what makes him think he's a full fledged member of the Senate. Heck, he ought to tell his voters they don't have a voice yet, that he'll ask permissin to have an opinion later.

He is attaching an amendment chastising the president about Libya to the small-business re-authorization bill. It is game playing like every other politician in the Senate. He is fitting right in with all of the other politicians. I am just pointing that out for any fool who thinks he is something other than a common politician.

[hello fromWarsaw]

GOP sources tell National Review Online that Paul’s proposal flummoxed Reid

Any policy ideas, or just gossip?

[henryclay]

My guess is that Ron Paul has watched the game long enough to know the basics on how to get something by the leadership. On that score you have to give him credit for not being timid. . . . he is not timid in front of Harry Reid. I wonder what Durbin was going to say in rebuttal.

[billisonboard]

Apr 2, 2011 23:02:09 GMT -5 henryclay said:

My guess is that Ron Paul has watched the game long enough to know the basics on how to get something by the leadership. On that score you have to give him credit for not being timid. . . . he is not timid in front of Harry Reid. I wonder what Durbin was going to say in rebuttal.

He isn't timid. He is a politician playing games.

[Mkitty is pro kitty]

The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.”

You mean he has to have permission from Congress, like S.Res 85 "A resolution strongly condemning the gross and systematic violations of human rights in Libya, including violent attacks on protesters demanding democratic reforms, and for other purposes"? (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-sr85/show) it was passed unanimously on March 1, 2011. Rand Paul happens to be a Senator

A few months and he is already playing pointless political games like a long-term Senator.

And he's a liar. Looks like it didn't very long for this Tea-Party prima-donna to turn into a good ol' boy politician. Where's all those sweeping changes that were promised?

Comments are unnecessary. Ron Paul hits the bullseye on this.

Maybe somehow RON Paul did hit some bullseye , but the only eye RAND hits is the brown one that emits bullshit ** Looks like the ophthalmologist desperately needs an appointment in his own office.

[ugonow]

Peden on the nuttiness of Ron Paul:

"His voting record is … it’s horrid — 351 pieces of legislation he sponsored, six came out of committee, and none have ever passed. And if you go back and look, he just regurgitates the same pieces of legislation. “Restore the Second Amendment.” What does that mean, exactly?

But that’s his bill, and two years later he submits the bill again. He just keeps reprinting these and throwing them out there. And now he doesn’t even get any cosponsors on many of his bills. [With] many of his amendments, he’s called out of order on the floor for even putting the amendment in, because he doesn’t follow the rules of operation in the House.

He’s up there to make a point, not a difference. He wants to be called out of order because then it’s unique and it’s unusual, and he gets press, or at least Roll Call will say “Here he goes again.” But you know, if you do that once a year or once a term, it works. If you do it three or four times a day, it gets old."

[jkapp]

>>And he's a liar. Looks like it didn't very long for this Tea-Party prima-donna to turn into a good ol' boy politician. Where's all those sweeping changes that were promised?<<

They are roadblocked since Obama broke all of his promises...especially about "doing away with business-as-usual in Washington."

[Mkitty is pro kitty]

They are roadblocked since Obama broke all of his promises

Promise Kept rulings on the The Obameter
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-kept/

When you log on the internet, it would probably best if you had a bucket of water nearby.

[fairlycrazy23]

Unfortunately, playing games is a big part of the way things are done, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Harry Reid embarasses Harry Reid.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 2, 2011 22:38:46 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Yeah, I noticed that, too. I wonder what makes him think he's a full fledged member of the Senate. Heck, he ought to tell his voters they don't have a voice yet, that he'll ask permissin to have an opinion later.

[formerexpat]

Promise Kept rulings on the The Obameter
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-kept/

When you log on the internet, it would probably best if you had a bucket of water nearby.

When on the internet, you might want to learn to do research on your sources to expose their political bias. [/size]

[Mkitty is pro kitty]

When on the internet, you might want to learn to do research on your sources to expose their political bias.

Biased doesn't mean not true. The people at Politcafact all believe 1 + 1 =2, what's your answer?

And you might want to learn another technique instead of being lazily dismissive and crying "bias!" Also, it's up to the person who said Obama broke all his promises to prove it. I'm not doing all his homework for him.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Apr 4, 2011 8:57:22 GMT -5 Mkitty is pro kitty said:

When on the internet, you might want to learn to do research on your sources to expose their political bias.

Biased doesn't mean not true. The people at Politcafact all believe 1 + 1 =2, what's your answer?

And you might want to learn another technique instead of being lazily dismissive and crying "bias!" Also, it's up to the person who said Obama broke all his promises to prove it. I'm not doing all his homework for him.

We are $14 trillion in debt. We borrow .42 cents of every dollar the government spends. Obama is proposing $1.67 trillion in borrowing in his 2012 budget proposal.

We can't afford it, and we have to prioritize and make cuts.

My question remains- if liberals cannot, in the face of these facts- manage to let the Cowboy Poetry Festival be cut, then what can they cut?

It just goes to show how out of touch with reality liberals are. It shows how off the cliff Democrat leadership is when the majority leader of the United States Senate in the face of a $14 trillion debt, and a $1.67 trillion deficit is worried about defending home state pork over the nation's future.

[henryclay]

The title to this thread might have been better stated. It might have said something like, "HARRY REID EMBARRASES HIMSELF". In addition to the words in the video clip above about all those tens of thousands of people who might not exist except for the "Cowboy Poetry Festival", (I wonder do people go to the festival for poetry or to make babies, because that's a lot of people he's connecting to a few days of "poetry".) Then during a talk he gave to the Nevada legislature he stunned them all by apparently admitting he has lost the support some of it's biggest money makers and feels it's time for some payback. He said he wants to shut down one of the state's biggest tourist attractions , , , whorehouses , , , .

Harry Reid don't need any help when it comes to embarrassing Harry Reid.

www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/50020.html

[billisonboard]

Apr 4, 2011 10:07:44 GMT -5 henryclay said:

The title to this thread might have been better stated. ...

After reading the quoted material in the OP, I thought the title did an excellent job of pointing out that Rand Paul is "politics as usual". Granted, people have made the thread about Harry Reid but that was not the original topic. The thread certainly couldn't have been titled "Rand Paul Introduces Meaningful, Significant Legislation".

[privateinvestor]

Harry Reid don't need any help when it comes to embarrassing Harry Reid.


How's that Harry Reid leadership thing working out for the Liberals these days?? Ever hear of the threat of a government shutdown looming over the lack of leadership or meaningful discussions for the fiscal crisis..? Can't blame Bush, McCain, Chaney, or Plain this time the whole mess was dumped on Ole Harry and he is crying for help from Obama who is out campaigning to raise more money for his re election.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

The Commander in Chief owe's a duty to Congress, that Obama himself has acknowledged and I think Rand Paul was correct to remind the Senate, and voters of Obama's own words and hold Obama accountable. I think politics as usual is what both parties are engaged in right now in ignoring this serious, but politically sensitive issue. Right now, Paul stands out as the one person in the two wings of the War Party to ask for SOME accountability and get some clarification that is owed not only elected officials, but We The People. We're entitled to have our representatives take seriously the use of military force.

[billisonboard]

Apr 4, 2011 10:46:44 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

The Commander in Chief owe's a duty to Congress, that Obama himself has acknowledged and I think Rand Paul was correct to remind the Senate, and voters of Obama's own words and hold Obama accountable. I think politics as usual is what both parties are engaged in right now in ignoring this serious, but politically sensitive issue. Right now, Paul stands out as the one person in the two wings of the War Party to ask for SOME accountability and get some clarification that is owed not only elected officials, but We The People. We're entitled to have our representatives take seriously the use of military force.

Then do it straight up, not as an "amendment to the small-business re-authorization bill."

[privateinvestor]

;)PBP apparently we have a Rand Paul critic here who says this about this new senator, and note I colored her colorful comments in brown..:
Maybe somehow RON Paul did hit some bullseye , but the only eye RAND hits is the brown one that emits bullshit ** Looks like the ophthalmologist desperately needs an appointment in his own office.

Rand Paul didn't just embarrass Harry Reid, Nein er is nicht, i.e., Harry Reid embarrassed Harry Reid yesterday with his appearances on the Sunday Morning Talk Shows...even the Dems must be rolling their eyes when they listen to him talk about the fiscal crisis looming in the background that may just shut down our government..

[ugonow]

Reid should have been gone last election if not sooner.I can't believe the tea party or GOP couldn't get it done.

[henryclay]

".......... Then do it straight up, not as an "amendment to the small-business re-authorization bill." ....."

Why not? Yeah, Why not? Because as a stand alone straight up proposal we both know what, (and I expect that's why you might prefer it that way), Harry Reid would do to it. It'd never see the light of day. THAT's why not.

[billisonboard]

Apr 4, 2011 11:55:07 GMT -5 henryclay said:

".......... Then do it straight up, not as an "amendment to the small-business re-authorization bill." ....."

Why not? Yeah, Why not? Because as a stand alone straight up proposal we both know what, (and I expect that's why you might prefer it that way), Harry Reid would do to it. It'd never see the light of day. THAT's why not.

Actually I would like to see our legislative branch start legislating and stop with all the stupid games they play.

[henryclay]

"....... Actually I would like to see our legislative branch start legislating and stop with all the stupid games they play......."

Starting with who, the new guys? I believe if the old guys would permit it, the new guys might do just as you propose.

Case in point is what Senator Rand Paul was trying to do. . . tell the world through a Senate Resolution that Obama has taken it upon himself to put America in further jeopardy of retaliation when he side stepped the body that has the authority to make war. It might be that America would have been put in jeopardy anyway, but Rand wanted it to be on record that no individual person has the legal authority to undertake the risk of causing it. Not even Obama.

And we both know the game being played by Harry Reid and his friends is to avoid calling Obama out on anything at all. And of course, Harry Reid will never be responsible for it, so from his perspective, with a lack of responsibility on his doorstep, , , , indeed, why not continue to play games?

[billisonboard]

Starting with who, ...

Could care less who starts it.

Case in point is what Senator Rand Paul was trying to do. . . tell the world through a Senate Resolution

Actually an amendment attached to the small business re-authorization bill.

[Deleted]

Apr 4, 2011 11:35:44 GMT -5 ugonow said:

Reid should have been gone last election if not sooner.I can't believe the tea party or GOP couldn't get it done.

I believe the tea party is WHY the GOP couldn't get it done...