GDP came in again this morning

[Value Buy]

3.5% for the latest quarter right on the expected estimated number.

I think we can all agree this is well over 2% which we were told is the expected number we should be happy with.

[thyme4change]

We should also safeguard ourselves from future downturns. The best way is to raise interest rates, just a little bit.

[billisonboard]

Yeah, the Fed doesn't want to come up short. 

[djAdvocate]

i won't be happy until he gets a sustained 4%, like he promised.

anything else is less than i bargained for.

[Gardening Grandma]

Nov 28, 2018 8:34:04 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

3.5% for the latest quarter right on the expected estimated number.

I think we can all agree this is well over 2% which we were told is the expected number we should be happy with.

Why should we be happy with it? It’s not the promised 4%

[Value Buy]

Nov 28, 2018 22:36:13 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i won't be happy until he gets a sustained 4%, like he promised.

anything else is less than i bargained for.

You never accepted the bargain from him, so don't worry about it. You have no contract with him.
You still have not accepted anything from him other than your disrespect for him.

[Value Buy]

Nov 28, 2018 22:47:36 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Nov 28, 2018 8:34:04 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

3.5% for the latest quarter right on the expected estimated number.

I think we can all agree this is well over 2% which we were told is the expected number we should be happy with.

Why should we be happy with it? It’s not the promised 4%

Did you see former President Obama the other night still dissing Trump and his progressive advancement of the middle and underclass segments of our society, claiming it was all him that he did it all for the economy and Trump and company is taking credit for his work?
Obama as a classic narcisist.

[tbop77]

Yea~~that 17% increase in the deficit is working!  Those middle class tax cuts we got before the mid-terms should be kicking in soon too!  #MAGA~~right on the backs of our kids and grandkids, right?  

[Value Buy]

Nov 29, 2018 7:26:06 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Yea~~that 17% increase in the deficit is working!  Those middle class tax cuts we got before the mid-terms should be kicking in soon too!  #MAGA~~right on the backs of our kids and grandkids, right?  

Here is what gets me.
Who here actually believe either party or actual political leader would go with a balanced budget, or better yet, an actual budget with a "profit" where they pay the deficit down?

[resolution]

Bill Clinton

[tbop77]

Nov 29, 2018 7:30:35 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 29, 2018 7:26:06 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Yea~~that 17% increase in the deficit is working!  Those middle class tax cuts we got before the mid-terms should be kicking in soon too!  #MAGA~~right on the backs of our kids and grandkids, right?  

Here is what gets me.
Who here actually believe either party or actual political leader would go with a balanced budget, or better yet, an actual budget with a "profit" where they pay the deficit down?

Here's what gets me.
Conservatives attitude over every penny President Obama spent during the worst downturn in modern times and yet bragging about how great the economy is under President Trump when he is spending more to make that happen.  And then to even try and think that we are #MAGA

[oped]

Add annual and quarterly to the list of terms people don’t seem to understand.

[OldCoyote]

Nov 29, 2018 7:40:00 GMT -5 resolution said:

Bill Clinton

I was told that they raided S.S. to balance the budget when Bill Clinton was in office,,

Where did the S.S. money go?

[Lizard Queen]

The tax cuts were sold on the theory that it would grow us out of the deficit.  I haven't done the the math myself, but I'm guessing that "close, but no cigar" isn't going to get us there.  By the evidence, it's not getting us there.

[billisonboard]

Nov 29, 2018 9:53:37 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

I was told ...

Man, I love that technique.

[resolution]

Nov 29, 2018 9:53:37 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Nov 29, 2018 7:40:00 GMT -5 resolution said:

Bill Clinton

I was told that they raided S.S. to balance the budget when Bill Clinton was in office,,

Where did the S.S. money go?

I have never heard that before. I would appreciate if you would link some reputable sources so I can take a look at it.

[Tennesseer]

Didn't trump state a rising stock market would pay off the national  debt?  How's that working out for the country?


Trump Makes Puzzling Claim That Rising Stock Market Erases Debt

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Nov 29, 2018 7:30:35 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 29, 2018 7:26:06 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Yea~~that 17% increase in the deficit is working!  Those middle class tax cuts we got before the mid-terms should be kicking in soon too!  #MAGA~~right on the backs of our kids and grandkids, right?  

Here is what gets me.
Who here actually believe either party or actual political leader would go with a balanced budget, or better yet, an actual budget with a "profit" where they pay the deficit down?

Since they harped on it so much during Obama's tenure I thought the GOP may do something about the deficit which is why except for President I voted GOP federally in 16.  

I was wrong in a big way and realized the GOP was never about balancing the budget but is about tax cuts for the rich at the peril of the National Debt.

I voted for the Dems federally in 18, not because I think they will balance the budget, but do think at this point in time think they are the more fiscally conservative party by a wide margin.  

[Value Buy]

Nov 29, 2018 11:59:42 GMT -5 @aj said:

Nov 29, 2018 7:30:35 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Here is what gets me.
Who here actually believe either party or actual political leader would go with a balanced budget, or better yet, an actual budget with a "profit" where they pay the deficit down?

Since they harped on it so much during Obama's tenure I thought the GOP may do something about the deficit which is why except for President I voted GOP federally in 16.  

I was wrong in a big way and realized the GOP was never about balancing the budget but is about tax cuts for the rich at the peril of the National Debt.

I voted for the Dems federally in 18, not because I think they will balance the budget, but do think at this point in time think they are the more fiscally conservative party by a wide margin.  

And which party is calling for Medicare for all as well as free University tuition?
Yes, the dems are fiscal conservatives......

[bean29]

Nov 29, 2018 14:20:24 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 29, 2018 11:59:42 GMT -5 @aj said:

Since they harped on it so much during Obama's tenure I thought the GOP may do something about the deficit which is why except for President I voted GOP federally in 16.  

I was wrong in a big way and realized the GOP was never about balancing the budget but is about tax cuts for the rich at the peril of the National Debt.

I voted for the Dems federally in 18, not because I think they will balance the budget, but do think at this point in time think they are the more fiscally conservative party by a wide margin.  

And which party is calling for Medicare for all as well as free University tuition?
Yes, the dems are fiscal conservatives......

You are discounting what it already being spent on Medicare/Healthcare in the US right now. If we stop the giveaways to the pharmaceutical industry, end lobbying, maybe we can see some positive results.  I would like to see them at least disscuss the issue.

I think College Tuition is too high.  I would like to see congress address the issue.  I don't think Free is going to happen.  But lets see if we can find some ways to make College More affordable.

[thyme4change]

Nov 29, 2018 14:56:50 GMT -5 bean29 said:

Nov 29, 2018 14:20:24 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

And which party is calling for Medicare for all as well as free University tuition?
Yes, the dems are fiscal conservatives......

You are discounting what it already being spent on Medicare/Healthcare in the US right now. If we stop the giveaways to the pharmaceutical industry, end lobbying, maybe we can see some positive results.  I would like to see them at least disscuss the issue.

I think College Tuition is too high.  I would like to see congress address the issue.  I don't think Free is going to happen.  But lets see if we can find some ways to make College More affordable.

The good news is that college enrollment is down. I think colleges have gone as far as they can go, and costs will stabilize. Colleges are giving away more scholarships than ever before, so that indicates they know they are priced too high.

[Tiny]

Nov 29, 2018 14:20:24 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 29, 2018 11:59:42 GMT -5 @aj said:

Since they harped on it so much during Obama's tenure I thought the GOP may do something about the deficit which is why except for President I voted GOP federally in 16.  

I was wrong in a big way and realized the GOP was never about balancing the budget but is about tax cuts for the rich at the peril of the National Debt.

I voted for the Dems federally in 18, not because I think they will balance the budget, but do think at this point in time think they are the more fiscally conservative party by a wide margin.  

And which party is calling for Medicare for all as well as free University tuition?
Yes, the dems are fiscal conservatives......

Maybe there's different definitions of "fiscally conservative"?  You know "All for me!!!! and mine!!! while I keep saying "everyone will benefit!"  " or "2 for me and 1 for others".    I'm under no illusion that politicians don't consider how best to take advantage of their work for themselves. 

Personally, I'd rather have the government spend money on something that potentially  everyone benefits from, than spending on something that benefits the equivalent of a handful of people while saying it helps everyone.      I can see (or hear about) when medical care benefits a neighbor's family or my own family  or when I hear about a kid getting higher education paid for other than out of their own or their parents pockets.   (FWIW:  I'm not for free University tuition.   But I can also see the current system doesn't always work and can be downright predator.)   

I'm not really seeing any tangible benefits from Trump's tax cuts to corporations (and the very wealthy) - in my personal life or in the life of the people in my everyday life.     



  

[thyme4change]

The tax cuts helped people who own private jets buy another private jet. If we keep this us, the peasants will revolt. Share the wealth, just enough that everyone gets what they need.

[happyhoix]

Nov 29, 2018 14:20:24 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 29, 2018 11:59:42 GMT -5 @aj said:

Since they harped on it so much during Obama's tenure I thought the GOP may do something about the deficit which is why except for President I voted GOP federally in 16.  

I was wrong in a big way and realized the GOP was never about balancing the budget but is about tax cuts for the rich at the peril of the National Debt.

I voted for the Dems federally in 18, not because I think they will balance the budget, but do think at this point in time think they are the more fiscally conservative party by a wide margin.  

And which party is calling for Medicare for all as well as free University tuition?
Yes, the dems are fiscal conservatives......

GOP had the opportunity to offer a better healthcare option. Trump's 2016 stump speech promised cheap and beautiful healthcare for everyone (and we all get to keep the doctors we like!). Two years into Trump's term, what has the GOP done? It's done it's level best to kill off the ADA and gone after one of the most popular parts of the ADA - preexisting conditions.

The country is regressing to the pre-ADA times, as far as the number of uninsured Americans, and healthcare is just as expensive as it ever was.

If the GOP can't come up with a decent alternative to the ADA, they need to STFU about healthcare and let the Dems push forward with a way to provide cheap, quality healthcare for everyone (even if it means broadening Medicare coverage).  The GOP lost their chance to fix it when they had control of Congress and the executive branch, so they also lost the right to whine about it.

[oped]

Even the Koch brother study found that Medicare for all will cost billions less than the makeshift shit we have now.

[Value Buy]

oped, I am not sure what you are saying in post 24

[OldCoyote]

Nov 29, 2018 10:14:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nov 29, 2018 9:53:37 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

I was told ...

Man, I love that technique.

Well Bills, I can not find where the money from S.S. went.

Or maybe a better question would be , Where did Bill Clinton find the money to balance the budget?

[Value Buy]

Nov 29, 2018 20:25:48 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Nov 29, 2018 10:14:15 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Man, I love that technique.

Well Bills, I can not find where the money from S.S. went.

Or maybe a better question would be , Where did Bill Clinton find the money to balance the budget?

The Republicans in Congress did work with Clinton on a budget agreement.
Part of the money flowing into the Treasury was from the stock.com craze where many people made fortunes on stocks and paid big tax bills at the time.

[Gardening Grandma]

Nov 29, 2018 17:57:16 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

oped, I am not sure what you are saying in post 24

I'm not oped, but even the extremely conservative Koch brothers had a study showing that Medicare for All would be far, far, less expensive than the mess we have right now.

[happyhoix]

Nov 30, 2018 11:27:56 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Nov 29, 2018 17:57:16 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

oped, I am not sure what you are saying in post 24

I'm not oped, but even the extremely conservative Koch brothers had a study showing that Medicare for All would be far, far, less expensive than the mess we have right now.

Yes, but we can't go giving something free to the poors, that sets a bad example.

Better to pay a butt load of money treating the poors in ER's once their conditions become serious, and then passing those enormous bills to the consumers through jacked up hospital costs - it's the American way!