Megyn Kelly learns about liberal media

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and what happens to a conservative host when living in the lion's den.

www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/nbc-news-declares-war-on-megyn-kelly-after-blackface-fury/ar-BBOQYZW?li=BBnb7Kz

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Should have stayed at Fox, instead she thought she could be welcomed at NBC with open arms.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 25, 2018 10:55:44 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

and what happens to a conservative host when living in the lion's den.

www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/nbc-news-declares-war-on-megyn-kelly-after-blackface-fury/ar-BBOQYZW?li=BBnb7Kz

Mehyn Kelly was born in 1970. So in the late seventies or early eighties, she wore black face. Who would do that? Was she not around about our nation's bigotry against black people?

"Because you do get in trouble if you are a white person who puts on blackface on Halloween, or a black person who puts on whiteface for Halloween. Back when I was a kid that was OK, as long as you were dressing up as, like, a character."

[happyhoix]

I think this is more what happens to a TV show in a capitalist society.

If she had good ratings, no way the network would cancel her show. She must not have found her 'niche.'

And I thought she left Fox because she'd clashed with them on sexual harassment issues? As in she voluntarily left because she didn't like how they handled some sexual harassment claims? I didn't think it was because she thought another network would like her better...

[Gardening Grandma]

Ms “Santa is white” has had other gaffes as well. Her show wasnt doung all that great anyway. She should have stayed at Faux

[kadee79]

I'm not sure she would be good on any network.  She isn't cut out to be an interviewer and her opinions don't matter to the majority that watch these shows.  She is just not good at tv at all.

And yes, she keeps putting her foot in her mouth...time to move on!

[greeniis10]

Oct 25, 2018 12:15:49 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

I'm not sure she would be good on any network.  She isn't cut out to be an interviewer and her opinions don't matter to the majority that watch these shows.  She is just not good at tv at all.

And yes, she keeps putting her foot in her mouth...time to move on!

I agree. Very rarely am I even home to see her show but the last time I was home on a weekday and caught a portion of it the guest they had on was discussing the best foods for health so of course she brought up fish and Megyn repeated over and over again how she hates fish, she'll NEVER eat it, it's gross, etc. Uh, who cares Keep your opinions to yourself and focus on the current topic.

[justme]

Being against blackface isn't political, it's not being a racist asshole.

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This is a case of Democratic political snowflakes running amuck.
What if white children dressed up as former President Obama?
What if black children dress up as a white Thor?

[Gardening Grandma]

Oct 25, 2018 15:29:30 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

This is a case of Democratic political snowflakes running amuck.
What if white children dressed up as former President Obama?
What if black children dress up as a white Thor?

Comparing school children to a TV host? Kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel aren’t you?
(And I’ve seen Obama masks at Haloween stores)

[oped]

Yeah, kids don't need to do their face up into a different race to play a character or dress as another person. They do so through attire and props and action.  Seriously. 

[ken a.k.a OMK]

So when my boys wanted to go as a hobo and we smeared burned cork on their face we were being racists? Or maybe anti hobo? For Halloween costumes are just that. What about the masks you can buy. You won't make your face black but you can wear a black mask. 

[oped]

Smudging your face to make it dirty is not the same as putting black face on to give the impression of being a different race. 

Sorry but the history of blackface makes it a big no no.  And honestly i don't understand why it would ever be necessary. If you don't feel that you can represent a person or character without changing your race, then you probably shouldn't take the part. 

Lots of people of color in Hamilton playing people who were originally white. They don't white their faces to do so. 

[oped]

There were two kids at last year's Living History Night that were representing Harriet Tubman. Both white. One attempted to make her face black. The girl who did not, i could listen to her speech and ask her questions. The one who did blackface, all i could see was that. Hard to think about anything else. SHE was the one i least saw as the character she was trying to be... 

[Tiny]

Oct 25, 2018 15:39:55 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

So when my boys wanted to go as a hobo and we smeared burned cork on their face we were being racists? Or maybe anti hobo? For Halloween costumes are just that. What about the masks you can buy. You won't make your face black but you can wear a black mask. 

Um, how much burned cork where you having applied to your face?    Maybe you need to google "BlackFace"?   Maybe take a look at old vaudville acts (you tube)  or maybe the usually deleted scene(s) from the movie Holiday Inn with Bing Crosby?   


I'm pretty sure modern kids (and adults) wouldn't be putting on blackface because they were going as "characters" from the 1930's thru the 1950's MOVIES.... how many people would even know who they were suppose to be?     


FWIW:   I went as a hobo as a kid (as did my older brothers) and my parents used burned cork to complete our "look".  My brothers got a "5 o'clock shadow" - beard and mustache  (everyone knows hobo's do not shave  and I got my face made to look dirty - cheeks and nose.     That most certainly was NOT black face.  And we were NOT attempting to be "black" nor were we mocking black people by being hobo's  - with our patched clothes and stick with a red bandanna "pack".       I can cut and paste an image - google images  for "pictures of hobos during the Great Depression"  


 

[Tiny]

Oct 25, 2018 15:43:00 GMT -5 oped said:

Smudging your face to make it dirty is not the same as putting black face on to give the impression of being a different race. 

Sorry but the history of blackface makes it a big no no.  And honestly i don't understand why it would ever be necessary. If you don't feel that you can represent a person or character without changing your race, then you probably shouldn't take the part. 

Lots of people of color in Hamilton playing people who were originally white. They don't white their faces to do so. 

I agree with this.   I'm ok with cosplay or costumes to portray modern "characters" even when the person wearing the costume isn't the right race, the right gender or even the right physique.   I'm Ok with a black superman, a female 4th Doctor Who, or a disney princess who doesn't actually match the original princess (but is wearing all the right stuff).   

But, then, I enjoy theater and Opera  and currently there's alot of different sorts of people playing parts.  So, I'm getting good at accepting a black hamlet or an asian Mimi (la boheme).    If you can make me suspend believe and associate with the character I'm good to go. 

Maybe, because I'm a woman, and I've ALWAYS been asked to associate with male main characters (in books, movies, TV shows, the Bible.... ) I don't find it weird or uncomfortable or wrong to 'feel' or 'side with' what someone who doesn't look like me is portraying.   

[billisonboard]

Oct 25, 2018 15:29:30 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

...
What if white children dressed up as former President Obama?
..

They don't need blackface:

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Oct 25, 2018 16:52:57 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Oct 25, 2018 15:39:55 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

So when my boys wanted to go as a hobo and we smeared burned cork on their face we were being racists? Or maybe anti hobo? For Halloween costumes are just that. What about the masks you can buy. You won't make your face black but you can wear a black mask. 

Um, how much burned cork where you having applied to your face?    Maybe you need to google "BlackFace"?   Maybe take a look at old vaudville acts (you tube)  or maybe the usually deleted scene(s) from the movie Holiday Inn with Bing Crosby?   


I'm pretty sure modern kids (and adults) wouldn't be putting on blackface because they were going as "characters" from the 1930's thru the 1950's MOVIES.... how many people would even know who they were suppose to be?     


FWIW:   I went as a hobo as a kid (as did my older brothers) and my parents used burned cork to complete our "look".  My brothers got a "5 o'clock shadow" - beard and mustache  (everyone knows hobo's do not shave  and I got my face made to look dirty - cheeks and nose.     That most certainly was NOT black face.  And we were NOT attempting to be "black" nor were we mocking black people by being hobo's  - with our patched clothes and stick with a red bandanna "pack".       I can cut and paste an image - google images  for "pictures of hobos during the Great Depression"  


 

Sorry I missed the point of black face from the past. You are right on all points. 

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Oct 25, 2018 21:14:31 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Oct 25, 2018 16:52:57 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Um, how much burned cork where you having applied to your face?    Maybe you need to google "BlackFace"?   Maybe take a look at old vaudville acts (you tube)  or maybe the usually deleted scene(s) from the movie Holiday Inn with Bing Crosby?   


I'm pretty sure modern kids (and adults) wouldn't be putting on blackface because they were going as "characters" from the 1930's thru the 1950's MOVIES.... how many people would even know who they were suppose to be?     


FWIW:   I went as a hobo as a kid (as did my older brothers) and my parents used burned cork to complete our "look".  My brothers got a "5 o'clock shadow" - beard and mustache  (everyone knows hobo's do not shave  and I got my face made to look dirty - cheeks and nose.     That most certainly was NOT black face.  And we were NOT attempting to be "black" nor were we mocking black people by being hobo's  - with our patched clothes and stick with a red bandanna "pack".       I can cut and paste an image - google images  for "pictures of hobos during the Great Depression"  


 

Sorry I missed the point of black face from the past. You are right on all points. 

Just like Megyn Kelly, Ken has fallen back and surrendered to the political snowflakes

[Knee Deep in Water Chloe]

Value Buy, it's not surrendering. It's acknowledging that what was acceptable in a portion of a sub-culture is not acceptable on the whole now. 
I am also a white female born in the 70s. I agree that when I was a kid, in my middle class white upbringing, a white person dressing up as black person by donning black make-up was acceptable. However, it is not acceptable now and hasn't been nationally for a minimum of five years. 

Megan Kelly should have said "Wow, I didn't realize that I'd missed the boat on this one. I'm sorry."

Also, swamp, are you hiring? Your "friend" needs a job. 

[Tennesseer]

Megyn Kelly is a former attorney.  How did she not know anything about the civil rights movement?

[bean29]

Oct 25, 2018 15:39:55 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

So when my boys wanted to go as a hobo and we smeared burned cork on their face we were being racists? Or maybe anti hobo? For Halloween costumes are just that. What about the masks you can buy. You won't make your face black but you can wear a black mask. 

I thought hobo’s were dirty because they were homeless and lived on the road. The “burned cork” or whatever was used represented dirt/dust/grime not someone’s race.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Ok everyone. I was thinking Halloween and my little mind confused darkened/dirty face with the old Vaudeville racist black face. Here have at me   ouch!   

[Tennesseer]

Oct 26, 2018 8:25:11 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Ok everyone. I was thinking Halloween and my little mind confused darkened/dirty face with the old Vaudeville racist black face. Here have at me   ouch!   

More. Much more.

Welcome, Sister Mary Stigmata.

[Virgil Showlion]

Oct 25, 2018 13:19:21 GMT -5 justme said:

Being against blackface isn't political, it's not being a racist asshole.

I didn't know that painting one's face to match a character was considered "racism" until I started posting on YMAM. It's not an intuitive judgment, and the issue had never come up in my life. Blackface minstrelsy is ancient history, not even taught in Canadian schools.

My point being that the only reason blackface is considered racism is because some want it to endure as a symbol of racism. Anyone not indoctrinated into this symbolism (which would probably include Ms. Kelly's childhood contemporaries) would naturally assume there was nothing racist about it. On the contrary, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Would you presume to call all such people "racist assholes"? Would you go further to call anyone who argues that face painting shouldn't endure as a symbol of racism a "racist asshole"?

Furthermore, if it's so important that a symbol endure, what of Mr. Kaepernick's taking a knee during the national anthem? Many here have justified his actions on the basis of his claiming they aren't intended to disrespect to the flag or the nation, despite public perceptions to the contrary. Why then would we not accept the rationale of a man with painted face claiming he intends no disrespect to blacks?

The fact that these issues can't even be debated without one side being summarily labeled "racist assholes" or "America-haters" should grieve everyone here.

[billisonboard]

Oct 26, 2018 11:51:05 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

... I didn't know that painting one's face to match a character was considered "racism" until I started posting on YMAM. It's not an intuitive judgment, and the issue had never come up in my life. ...

My point being that the only reason blackface is considered racism is because some want it to endure as a symbol of racism. ...

...

I have no problem giving them that. I don't use the word retarded to refer to things that I perceive as stupid nor gay to refer to things I perceive as weird. There is no significant reason to use them just as there is nothing that makes it necessary to do blackface.

[swamp]

Oct 26, 2018 11:51:05 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Oct 25, 2018 13:19:21 GMT -5 justme said:

Being against blackface isn't political, it's not being a racist asshole.

I didn't know that painting one's face to match a character was considered "racism" until I started posting on YMAM. It's not an intuitive judgment, and the issue had never come up in my life. Blackface minstrelsy is ancient history, not even taught in Canadian schools.

My point being that the only reason blackface is considered racism is because some want it to endure as a symbol of racism. Anyone not indoctrinated into this symbolism (which would probably include Ms. Kelly's childhood contemporaries) would naturally assume there was nothing racist about it. On the contrary, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Would you presume to call all such people "racist assholes"? Would you go further to call anyone who argues that face painting shouldn't endure as a symbol of racism a "racist asshole"?

Furthermore, if it's so important that a symbol endure, what of Mr. Kaepernick's taking a knee during the national anthem? Many here have justified his actions on the basis of his claiming they aren't intended to disrespect to the flag or the nation, despite public perceptions to the contrary. Why then would we not accept the rationale of a man with painted face claiming he intends no disrespect to blacks?

The fact that these issues can't even be debated without one side being summarily labeled "racist assholes" or "America-haters" should grieve everyone here.

Have you ever seen one of the minstrel shows with blackface characters?     Painting a face black isn't per se racist, but seeing what was done with it made it that way.

It's like saying burning a cross in the front yard of a black family isn't racist, nor is hanging a noose in a tree.   Those acts, taken out of context, seem harmless.  Look at the history behind them and it sends a clearly racist message. 

[Shooby]

Oct 25, 2018 13:19:21 GMT -5 justme said:

Being against blackface isn't political, it's not being a racist asshole.

And, the Jimmy Kimmel skit? Jimmy Kimmel in black face is what 

[Shooby]

I mean you gotta give her credit.  She has managed to alienate both the Right and the Left!   LOL!.  Did she really think she could play footsie with the liberal thought police without getting Roseanned?   

[billisonboard]

Oct 26, 2018 16:38:46 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Oct 25, 2018 13:19:21 GMT -5 justme said:

Being against blackface isn't political, it's not being a racist asshole.

And, the Jimmy Kimmel skit? Jimmy Kimmel in black face is what 

...

Not appropriate.