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Post by chiver78 on Oct 16, 2018 11:41:15 GMT -5
Well, he is NOT normal! Treatment, not validation. she did receive appropriate treatment. please read the links before commenting and showing your ignorance. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 16, 2018 11:41:32 GMT -5
Well, he is NOT normal! Treatment, not validation. What kind of treatment? |
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Post by Bluerobin on Oct 16, 2018 11:46:39 GMT -5
Well, he is NOT normal! Treatment, not validation. she did receive appropriate treatment. please read the links before commenting and showing your ignorance. deleted |
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Post by chiver78 on Oct 16, 2018 11:49:21 GMT -5
she did receive appropriate treatment. please read the links before commenting and showing your ignorance. Appropriate treatment would have helped him.
I always wanted to be shorter. I should only be about 6' 3". Should I have surgery?
This is totally asinine. It doesn't change your DNA, so it only helps you pretend.
you do understand that sex and gender are two different things, yes? |
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Post by Bluerobin on Oct 16, 2018 11:52:05 GMT -5
Appropriate treatment would have helped him.
I always wanted to be shorter. I should only be about 6' 3". Should I have surgery?
This is totally asinine. It doesn't change your DNA, so it only helps you pretend.
you do understand that sex and gender are two different things, yes? deleted |
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Post by chiver78 on Oct 16, 2018 11:54:25 GMT -5
as I thought.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 16, 2018 11:55:19 GMT -5
she did receive appropriate treatment. please read the links before commenting and showing your ignorance. Appropriate treatment would have helped him.
I always wanted to be shorter. I should only be about 6' 3". Should I have surgery?
This is totally asinine. It doesn't change your DNA, so it only helps you pretend.
So,people who were flooded with the wrong hormones at the wrong time in utero are "pretending"? What a spectacularly ignorant statement! Brain scans of trans people show that their brains are more similar to the gender they align with. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180524112351.htmAgain...what kind of treatment do you suggest? Perhaps you shouldn't comment on things you know nothing about. |
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Post by moon/Laura on Oct 16, 2018 11:59:59 GMT -5
Tell the little mutant when he is 18, he can do as he pleases! Blue, hate speech is against the ProBoards terms of service. Keep your homophobic shit to yourself. Or, at the very least, off of ProBoards. ~ moon/admin |
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Post by Bluerobin on Oct 16, 2018 12:24:12 GMT -5
Tell the little mutant when he is 18, he can do as he pleases! Blue, hate speech is against the ProBoards terms of service. Keep your homophobic shit to yourself. Or, at the very least, off of ProBoards. ~ moon/admin Sorry, but I didn't recognize that as hate speech. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 16, 2018 12:27:12 GMT -5
Blue, hate speech is against the ProBoards terms of service. Keep your homophobic shit to yourself. Or, at the very least, off of ProBoards. ~ moon/admin Sorry, but I didn't recognize that as hate speech. Of course you didn't. Perhaps you should just stick to stuffing your pie-hole with bacon. |
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 16, 2018 12:27:40 GMT -5
... I always wanted to be shorter. I should only be about 6' 3". Should I have surgery? ... If such a surgery is available, I encourage you to have it.  |
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Post by Bluerobin on Oct 16, 2018 12:33:06 GMT -5
Sorry, but I didn't recognize that as hate speech. Of course you didn't. Perhaps you should just stick to stuffing your pie-hole with bacon. Gee Welts, that sounds like hate speech. Pot, pan! |
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 16, 2018 12:46:53 GMT -5
Of course you didn't. Perhaps you should just stick to stuffing your pie-hole with bacon. Gee Welts, that sounds like hate speech. Pot, pan! That's not hate speech. It's pointing out your astonishingly poor grasp of the subject matter. Maybe you should go back to doing what you do best, instead of showcasing your ignorance. .....and I'll ask you yet again. If a male is born with a brain that resembles a female's, what treatment do you propose? |
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 16, 2018 12:47:49 GMT -5
Maybe a brain transplant?
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Post by Bluerobin on Oct 16, 2018 12:48:54 GMT -5
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 16, 2018 12:52:17 GMT -5
None! That person is as HE wanted. First you're saying SHE should get treatment, and now you're saying "none"? |
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Post by engineerdoe on Oct 16, 2018 12:53:41 GMT -5
My Aunt can remember everything from when she was a baby (she is now 70 years old). The majority of the world does not form solid memories until 2 years old. I remember the day they brought my brother home from the hospital, I was 2. Give her the benefit of the doubt. |
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Post by Bluerobin on Oct 16, 2018 12:54:27 GMT -5
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Post by moon/Laura on Oct 16, 2018 13:04:56 GMT -5
And blue, that would include them not feeling that they match the sexual organs they have!
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 16, 2018 13:07:20 GMT -5
Welts, you are not following. The person is made the way God wanted and should get treatment to accept their gender. God wanted to make "mutants"? |
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Post by Bluerobin on Oct 16, 2018 13:12:28 GMT -5
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 16, 2018 13:17:00 GMT -5
Welts, if you can't make your point without twisting what I said, you have no point. How am I twisting? You're the one who called this person a mutant. |
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Post by Bluerobin on Oct 16, 2018 13:17:53 GMT -5
And blue, that would include them not feeling that they match the sexual organs they have! |
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Post by moon/Laura on Oct 16, 2018 13:22:38 GMT -5
I'd like to know why the hell it even matters to you, blue. It doesn't impact YOUR LIFE in any way! You don't agree with her way of life, fine. You don't need to come in this thread spewing the bigotry, intolerance and hate. Live your life and leave everyone else alone to live theirs.
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Post by moon/Laura on Oct 16, 2018 13:25:56 GMT -5
"The person is made the way God wanted" - that includes feeling like her body doesn't match her gender identity.
In other words, she is made exactly as intended.
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Post by Bluerobin on Oct 16, 2018 13:35:20 GMT -5
I deleted most. Now if you guys get the quotes.....................all will be sanitized.
No Moon. But I am not allowed to discuss that.
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Post by moon/Laura on Oct 16, 2018 13:41:45 GMT -5
You can't have it both ways, blue. I'll leave it at that.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 16, 2018 13:42:35 GMT -5
Okay, I am so darned confused and pissed over ... ... a fifteen year old female being foggy about an incident in a house thirty some years ago. ... I get it now. Perhaps you should have put this on the Politics board. |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 16, 2018 13:59:55 GMT -5
...and I'll ask you yet again. If a male is born with a brain that resembles a female's, what treatment do you propose? Hypothetically, I'd propose the same thing I'd propose if a male was born with a predisposition to alcoholism, anorexia, violence, or any other harmful thing: avoid any conditioning that would exacerbate the condition (increasingly difficult in this day in age, hence VB's consternation), press all reasonable conditioning to counteract the condition, uphold a societal standard that refuses to acknowledge a vice or sickness as acceptable, and hold the man accountable to the standard in spite of any biological handicaps. Incidentally, I emphasize the "hypothetical" above. The overwhelming majority of self-identifying "transgendered" individuals have no inborn biological or physiological basis for their condition whatsoever. Recall our lengthy debate on the topic in the Bruce Jenner thread.
Here's a hypothetical question for you: In your world, where else does biology excuse or legitimize harmful or self-harming behaviour? Give us an example. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 16, 2018 14:07:42 GMT -5
...and I'll ask you yet again. If a male is born with a brain that resembles a female's, what treatment do you propose? Hypothetically, I'd propose the same thing I'd propose if a male was born with a predisposition to alcoholism, anorexia, violence, or any other harmful thing: avoid any conditioning that would exacerbate the condition (increasingly difficult in this day in age, hence VB's consternation), press all reasonable conditioning to counteract the condition, uphold a societal standard that refuses to acknowledge a vice or sickness as acceptable, and hold the man accountable to the standard in spite of any biological handicaps. Incidentally, I emphasize the "hypothetical" above. The overwhelming majority of self-identifying "transgendered" individuals have no inborn biological or physiological basis for their condition whatsoever. Recall our lengthy debate on the topic in the Bruce Jenner thread.
Here's a hypothetical question for you: In your world, where else does biology excuse or legitimize harmful or self-harming behaviour? Give us an example. I don't consider transgenderism a vice or a sickness. I know you do. Furthermore, trans surgery is not "self-harming behaviour." It's the opposite. It's to help make the person feel whole. That's why our government pays for it. |
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