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Jul 31, 2018 16:19:45 GMT -5 swasat said:

Jul 31, 2018 16:14:30 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

And how many of them are illegal Mexicans?
As far as north easterners, they may talk a good game but when they get in the voting booth, they vote Republican. They moved there for the tax structure, not the give away benefits.

LOL!! Like you would know what they are voting 


I am a hard core Illinois girl who spent her entire life till 2017 in various parts North and Midwest USA. And now I live in the heart of Tennessee. Like anything or anyone can pry my political beliefs out of me 

Hopefully Texas enforces the law of the land as far as illegals not being allowed to vote. As far as northerners coming in and not voting Republican...........how many governors are democratic members? Senators?
As I understand it California residents are flocking to Texas, so there is a chance a change is coming.

[NastyWoman]

Jul 31, 2018 16:21:12 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Jul 31, 2018 16:14:30 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

And how many of them are illegal Mexicans?
As far as north easterners, they may talk a good game but when they get in the voting booth, they vote Republican. They moved there for the tax structure, not the give away benefits.

Stereotyping much?  (That says a LOT about YOU)

And you know how people vote behind the curtain?  

Peeping Tom?  That is illegal on several levels

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Jul 31, 2018 11:11:31 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Jul 31, 2018 9:02:11 GMT -5 giramomma said:

 I'd argue your questions isn't aren't about location but somewhat about the  rural/urban divide.

I mean, of course you are going to find diversity in more urban areas..no matter where you live. You aren't going to find diversity in rural areas, no matter where you live.

This is a wrong assumption!  There are many layers/diversity in rural areas, especially in the south.  I have neighbors that are Hispanic as well as black & white.  There are others in rural areas that are of other nationalities in this area.
I haven't lived in the north (central Ill.) for over 30 yrs., but back then is was really, really strange to find any other than whites in rural areas.  In my area there was only one older black couple and no one in the area other than me & some other kids had anything to do with them.
I've lived down here 33 yrs....yes, there are many layers.  I'm also considered to be in the "Bible Belt"...and if you don't go to church, you are thought less of than those that do.  We don't attend church.
I'm also in the "gnat belt"...a strip about 50 mi. wide that runs NE from the SW and when you drive past & think we are waving at you...we aren't we are swatting gnats out of our faces. 

Diversity of rural areas within various states is a given. Drive out of the large metro areas of most states, and you will  now see the diversity that was not there just two generations ago.
Indiana is considered an overwhemingly white inhabited state, especially in the rural areas but throughout the state many small towns are integrated. Granted not by a 10 or 20% number, but you will find Black or Hispanic families everywhere. Arab families are now moving into smaller towns and cities, whereas they used to stay in the large metro areas. Are these groups totally accepted everywhere by everyone in these towns, no, but they are accepted by the overwhelming majority of residents. Same with religion. Towns are no longer just exclusive to Baptist, or Methodist families.
People who never publicly stated the are partial native Americans are now proud to point to their national heritage. Chinese and Indian (India) professionals are throughout the rural areas, and I would think Indiana is not the exception on this trend. 
If you want to argue the numbers are small or insignificant, I guess you can, but it is changing. 

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Jul 31, 2018 16:38:54 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Jul 31, 2018 16:21:12 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Stereotyping much?  (That says a LOT about YOU)

And you know how people vote behind the curtain?  

Peeping Tom?  That is illegal on several levels

Indiana, at least in my county, no longer uses the curtain. As far as knowing how they voted, Texas despite mass in migration is still Republican. Someone is not being truthful who they voted for. Take the last election. Even today no one can find enough people claiming to have voted for Trump to be elected, and yet there you have it. They did do the deed and voted Republican.

[NastyWoman]

Jul 31, 2018 17:19:14 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jul 31, 2018 16:38:54 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Peeping Tom?  That is illegal on several levels

Indiana, at least in my county, no longer uses the curtain. As far as knowing how they voted, Texas despite mass in migration is still Republican. Someone is not being truthful who they voted for. Take the last election. Even today no one can find enough people claiming to have voted for Trump to be elected, and yet there you have it. They did do the deed and voted Republican.

Possibly true but don't forget, despite dt's vehement denials, he did NOT win the popular vote...

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In post 16  I was actually referencing the Electoral College in regards to voting in the south. As more people move south, the south gains Electoral votes, at the expense of the big northern states, thus having more influence in the Presidential elections. This could happen in the House of Representatives also as northern states lose population to southern states, but as all elections are local, some Congressional seats will go to democrats in the southern states also.
In Florida, the fastest growing county is populated by the Villages, which are 98% retired people.

Many are democrats from up north. Guess how they vote in Florida.

[Tiny]

Jul 31, 2018 17:14:39 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jul 31, 2018 11:11:31 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

This is a wrong assumption!  There are many layers/diversity in rural areas, especially in the south.  I have neighbors that are Hispanic as well as black & white.  There are others in rural areas that are of other nationalities in this area.
I haven't lived in the north (central Ill.) for over 30 yrs., but back then is was really, really strange to find any other than whites in rural areas.  In my area there was only one older black couple and no one in the area other than me & some other kids had anything to do with them.
I've lived down here 33 yrs....yes, there are many layers.  I'm also considered to be in the "Bible Belt"...and if you don't go to church, you are thought less of than those that do.  We don't attend church.
I'm also in the "gnat belt"...a strip about 50 mi. wide that runs NE from the SW and when you drive past & think we are waving at you...we aren't we are swatting gnats out of our faces. 

Diversity of rural areas within various states is a given. Drive out of the large metro areas of most states, and you will  now see the diversity that was not there just two generations ago.
Indiana is considered an overwhemingly white inhabited state, especially in the rural areas but throughout the state many small towns are integrated. Granted not by a 10 or 20% number, but you will find Black or Hispanic families everywhere. Arab families are now moving into smaller towns and cities, whereas they used to stay in the large metro areas. Are these groups totally accepted everywhere by everyone in these towns, no, but they are accepted by the overwhelming majority of residents. Same with religion. Towns are no longer just exclusive to Baptist, or Methodist families.
People who never publicly stated the are partial native Americans are now proud to point to their national heritage. Chinese and Indian (India) professionals are throughout the rural areas, and I would think Indiana is not the exception on this trend. 
If you want to argue the numbers are small or insignificant, I guess you can, but it is changing. 

I would think that would be a worry... I thought the rule of thumb was that minorities and immigrants voted Democratic?    Or are you suggesting that since they won't be voting (or won't qualify to vote) but will still be considered in how much weight is given to the those who do vote,  the Republicans (assumed voting majority) perhaps a minority itself, will carry more weight  (than an actual representation of the people they are governing)? 

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Jul 31, 2018 17:23:06 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Jul 31, 2018 17:19:14 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Indiana, at least in my county, no longer uses the curtain. As far as knowing how they voted, Texas despite mass in migration is still Republican. Someone is not being truthful who they voted for. Take the last election. Even today no one can find enough people claiming to have voted for Trump to be elected, and yet there you have it. They did do the deed and voted Republican.

Possibly true but don't forget, despite dt's vehement denials, he did NOT win the popular vote...

The Presidency is not a definite popular vote, winner take all as we know. It just basically works that way for every Presidential election, as most areas of the entire country vote proportunately the same way give or take a few percentage points except in some small population states that never make a difference in 99% of our Presidential elections. 

[Gardening Grandma]

Jul 31, 2018 17:29:54 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jul 31, 2018 17:23:06 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Possibly true but don't forget, despite dt's vehement denials, he did NOT win the popular vote...

The Presidency is not a definite popular vote, winner take all as we know. It just basically works that way for every Presidential election, as most areas of the entire country vote proportunately the same way give or take a few percentage points except in some small population states that never make a difference in 99% of our Presidential elections. 

No, in some states, a vote carries more weight than in others - as was discussed ad nauseam after 2016.

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Jul 31, 2018 17:28:23 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Jul 31, 2018 17:14:39 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Diversity of rural areas within various states is a given. Drive out of the large metro areas of most states, and you will  now see the diversity that was not there just two generations ago.
Indiana is considered an overwhemingly white inhabited state, especially in the rural areas but throughout the state many small towns are integrated. Granted not by a 10 or 20% number, but you will find Black or Hispanic families everywhere. Arab families are now moving into smaller towns and cities, whereas they used to stay in the large metro areas. Are these groups totally accepted everywhere by everyone in these towns, no, but they are accepted by the overwhelming majority of residents. Same with religion. Towns are no longer just exclusive to Baptist, or Methodist families.
People who never publicly stated the are partial native Americans are now proud to point to their national heritage. Chinese and Indian (India) professionals are throughout the rural areas, and I would think Indiana is not the exception on this trend. 
If you want to argue the numbers are small or insignificant, I guess you can, but it is changing. 

I would think that would be a worry... I thought the rule of thumb was that minorities and immigrants voted Democratic?    Or are you suggesting that since they won't be voting (or won't qualify to vote) but will still be considered in how much weight is given to the those who do vote,  the Republicans (assumed voting majority) perhaps a minority itself, will carry more weight  (than an actual representation of the people they are governing)? 

You make very valid points. I cannot tell you how certain minorities vote, although it is assumed by most people that Blacks and Hispanics are basically in the Democrat's wheel house. Other minority groups, I cannot really make a guess on. I only referenced illegal immigrants not voting, not legal immigrants. It is strange how many cannot fathom a difference in these groups.
Since many small towns we are talking a minority voting population of probably well less than five percent of the voting base.
They might feel their vote will not change the local political outcomes, which in Indiana is mostly Republican in the rural areas, and might not bother to show up and vote. I have no illusion that minorities might vote Democrat rather than Republican, and it does not matter to me as I value the right to vote as being paramount, and  any and all legal voters should express his right to vote as well as their decision on what politican they vote for. My only concern is how few voters actually vote. I not only consider it a right, but a duty, but I also realize some people feel we also have a right not to vote...........

[steff]

I'm a Dem in a red state, red county, red town.  I still vote in every single election from town, to county, to state, to federal.  Even tho I know my vote doesn't really count in the big picture.   Just because I'm a Liberal in the bible belt doesn't mean I've become apathetic when it comes to voting.  I also encourage my son & his friends to vote in every election.  So far I know for sure that my son has.

knowing we're outnumbered politically doesn't mean we roll over and give up.  It means we fight harder to see more candidates that are more like what we want.   At least this year there will actually be a Democrat on my local ballot to vote for.  The last 2 elections there wasn't one at all.  change comes slowly, but it will come. 

[kadee79]

Ditto what Steff said...I do the same.  And as I've said before, I take the polling place workers goodies nearly every time too.  I missed the last one here July 24, not voting, but the goodies...I'd been out of town all day & just made it in to vote under the wire.