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Post by magichat on Apr 1, 2011 9:01:35 GMT -5
"............. I agree, but they are following in the foot steps of traitors to the country like Reagan, so it's hard to fault them there. ........" But the left has had it's turn. Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 2, and slamming all their supporters in between. Crying "don't pick on me" sounds a little weak this morning. It's OUR turn now. Get over it. The problem is, Henry, you have played the left right game so damn long you forgot there is another option. I choose the other option, get over yourself and answer my question posed directly to you.
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 1, 2011 9:02:03 GMT -5
Get over it.
Not going to happen Henry the left is now using saying they don't like "Shock & Awe" anymore and are now finally becoming concerned about all the money being spent on million dollar cruise missiles in Libya.....where were they when Reagan and Bush were our presidents??
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Post by henryclay on Apr 1, 2011 9:03:39 GMT -5
"............ Better understood now compared to when? ........"
Well, I guess you're right. There are some people who will just plain make up the 10 per cent that will NEVER understand.
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Post by henryclay on Apr 1, 2011 9:05:22 GMT -5
"........... answer my question posed directly to you. ........"
What question was that, magichat?
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 1, 2011 9:06:07 GMT -5
"............. I agree, but they are following in the foot steps of traitors to the country like Reagan, so it's hard to fault them there. ........" But the left has had it's turn. Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 2, and slamming all their supporters in between. Crying "don't pick on me" sounds a little weak this morning. It's OUR turn now. Get over it. The problem is, Henry, you have played the left right game so damn long you forgot there is another option. I choose the other option, get over yourself and answer my question posed directly to you. magichat, good luck getting an answer. this guy's much more content to sit back and tell us we're idiots. check page 3 of this thread, where a few of us gave him ample opportunity to explain himself and he continued to decline that option.
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 1, 2011 9:07:23 GMT -5
But the left has had it's turn. Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 2, and slamming all their supporters in between. Crying "don't pick on me" sounds a little weak this morning. It's OUR turn now.
Why is it the left blames Bush or Reagan when they cannot answer the questions about Obama being painfully untruthful about Libya as underscored by his stand on the Odyssey Dawn??
Dems war opponents here objected to be called unpatriotic because they didn't support Bush's war in Iraq and now they are calling Republicans unpatriotic or partisan for not supporting Obama's little war in Libya....and remember Obama doesn't want regime change or to kill Khadahfy..so maybe that will appease those on the Left??
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Post by magichat on Apr 1, 2011 9:10:14 GMT -5
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 1, 2011 9:13:28 GMT -5
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 1, 2011 9:15:37 GMT -5
"............ Better understood now compared to when? ........" Well, I guess you're right. There are some people who will just plain make up the 10 per cent that will NEVER understand. And there will always be those who make up the things they say they understand ...
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Post by magichat on Apr 1, 2011 9:17:35 GMT -5
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Post by henryclay on Apr 1, 2011 9:17:49 GMT -5
Sounds about right. The tlking to a rock prt. The "conversation" part might be a stretch. Sorta like talking to yourself, isn't it. I've heard of people who tried it and understand they never learned a blooming thing.
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 1, 2011 9:24:09 GMT -5
And there will always be those who make up the things they say they understand
Are you refering to Obama again Ma'am?? Obama said that he understands this is not a war in Libya and will not be another fist pumping high flying remake of a big budget 1980s movie "Top Gun" like Desert Storm....could that be just making up things?? Just asking and how about your Avatar??
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 1, 2011 9:25:28 GMT -5
Worried you will lose me Mr. Shoulder Chip?
What me worry??
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Post by henryclay on Apr 1, 2011 9:30:00 GMT -5
Mr magichat and Ms chivers78 wanted me to explain the difference between natural born and native born, and why the Framers chose the former as a qualification for the presidency of the United States. It shouldn't require an explanation but they wanted one anyway.
This thread is dedicated to them, , , , , equally.
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Post by magichat on Apr 1, 2011 9:38:04 GMT -5
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Post by magichat on Apr 1, 2011 9:42:18 GMT -5
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If you are going to modify my posts be a man and delete the whole damn thing Dem.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Apr 1, 2011 9:46:27 GMT -5
Could you do us all a favor and put on your big boy pants? Your repeated tactics of dodging are tiresome. Here, let me give you a little help. Right above the "Quick Reply" box is:
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This may help in your quest. I know, that extra mouse click is really hard! But since you've hopefully put on your big boy pants by now, you can do it! We believe in you!
Do you get paid for being the Sheriff of Dodge City or do you do it for free?
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Post by magichat on Apr 1, 2011 9:47:22 GMT -5
To be clear this is the only question I have asked of Henry:
........ So to avoid being hypocrits, Henry and Burns need to demand that all legislation signed by Chester A Arthur was illegal? Got it. ......"
He, Let's go for it. Especially now that the meaning of what the Constitution says is better understood.
Better understood now compared to when?
Not sure what left field the OP comes from, but I have always understood the term Natural Born Citizen, however you take the founders intents to the extreme, then anybody born a territory would not be natural born....in that sense we didn't have a choice in 2008 for a candidate that qualified.
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Post by magichat on Apr 1, 2011 9:53:33 GMT -5
magichat- the OP is an attempt to answer a question that you posed in another thread. Rather snarky, but an answer nonetheless. No it wasn't. It wasn't even snarkly because that would exhibit a modicum of intelligence. My question was very clear and requires a reference of time in the answer.
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 1, 2011 9:55:48 GMT -5
Quote:And there will always be those who make up the things they say they understand
Quote:Are you refering to Obama again Ma'am??
Care to try again to answer the above questions without being ambiguous in all due respect Ma'am & happy ProBoards Rules day to you and hope it is a good one.
You only get two chances at the big apple before I have to hit the "IGNORE" key again but because it is ProBoards Rules Day I may let you have three shots at it ok with that Ma'am??. And we are talking about that dam "Birther" thing again in case you drift off topic again..
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 1, 2011 10:06:08 GMT -5
Posts from Henry's duplicate thread moved to the already going thread. Lost the original title bar, my apologies. Ok no Karma Soup for you today, and go to the back of the line..
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 1, 2011 10:16:49 GMT -5
And there will always be those who make up the things they say they understand Are you refering to Obama again Ma'am?? Obama said that he understands this is not a war in Libya and will not be another fist pumping high flying remake of a big budget 1980s movie "Top Gun" like Desert Storm....could that be just making up things?? Just asking and how about your Avatar?? No, I'm not talking about the president. I'm talking about those who'll jump at any conspiracy theory that comes their way. Since war has not been declared, I'd have to agree what's going on in Libya isn't a war, just as Viet Nam wasn't a war, and Korea wasn't a war, and Desert Storm wasn't a war ... ad infinitum. As to what will happen, my crystal ball is still broken, unfortunately. The penguin has an axe buried in the back of its head. I figure it'll be dead by morning.
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Post by keywestsun on Apr 1, 2011 10:20:47 GMT -5
The invasion of Libya clearly shows that Obama and the Dem's really could care less about the Constitution or genuinely care about our country's founding documents..
I would go a little further with that, I don't think either party care about the constitution unless they can use it for their goals. The Repub's are lest a little sneaky about it, the dang Dem's just lie and make up new meanings for the words "kinetic military action".
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 1, 2011 10:31:56 GMT -5
let's try this again, maybe you'll believe the information from this source, since y'all seem to quote from it like it's gospel. the UN - United Nations, not United States - is driving the bus with the military action in Libya. it's not an "us against them" thing with the Democrats and Republicans.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 1, 2011 10:45:03 GMT -5
Several people have hit the nail squarely on the head. There are very, very few politicians who give a rat's patootie about the Constitution. They're concerned, primarily, with lining their pockets, and I don't give a flying flip which "side" they're on. They're greedy, they'll lie in a minute to get what they want for themselves, or those who'll help fatten their wallet, and they've got the ethics of a rabid fox.
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Post by henryclay on Apr 1, 2011 11:24:09 GMT -5
Dem, I don't mind having the thread on Natural Born moved, but the posts got separated. The OP came over as #91 above. It included the important links that answered questions I deferred on because they have been answered by others and answered so much better than I could ever do. I am reposting that part of it here: To begin understanding the phrase "Natural Born" it is helpful to understand the importance placed on it by the Framers. Thus it stemmed from this:
"The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and, , , , , , , it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.” Emerich de Vattel, Law of Nations, 1758.
It is saddening to know that so much of our society today does not, , , , to use the author Vatell's words, "desire this"
www.worldandi.com/subscribers/feature_detail.asp?num=26823
federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2011 11:38:59 GMT -5
Henry, The interpretations in post #152 are not accurate as far as the US court systems are concerned.
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Post by chiver78 on Apr 1, 2011 11:45:48 GMT -5
Henry, The interpretations in post #152 are not accurate as far as the US court systems are concerned. psst, Archie! that's what we've been telling him for the past 6 pages.
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Post by safeharbor37 on Apr 1, 2011 12:44:49 GMT -5
The above is not valid in a society [or under a law] which considers the rights of the sexes equal, which is the case in the US and has been the case for some time.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 1, 2011 12:47:28 GMT -5
I went and read the consititution. I didn't see the clause that explains what "natural born" means - so someone is going to have to dig up the court case that defines it. Does that mean the test-tub babies aren't "natural?" How about c-sections? Those aren't really all that natural.
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