yogiii
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Post by yogiii on Dec 30, 2017 7:47:06 GMT -5
We also have family that will lecture us if we don't show up to something even if its because someone is sick, and call us to accuse us of getting them sick if they've seen us within a week of coming down with anything. My favorite is when they're sick with something we don't have, but it's still somehow our fault. But I'm not bitter. YES! but somehow it is a mystery why I'm not a people person.
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Post by milee on Dec 31, 2017 9:29:16 GMT -5
DH works at a hospital. Obviously, he shouldn't go to work sick, and the official policy is to not come in sick. He gets a bonus for not using sick days, and then when he did use several sick days in a row (he had some gastro bug) he was "counseled" because he used too many days without a doctor's note. The boss told him, "I know this is stupid, but policy is that i have to do this. I know you were sick and you had to stay home. Consider yourself counseled per the policy." Great example of how trying to run things well by 100% following a written policy manual is stupid and ineffective. Same thing with trying to regulate everything with laws. There will never be a policy manual or system of laws that is comprehensive enough to cover all situations. Policies have to allow for some discretion and adaptation to the situation so you can address whether the person is a chronic malingerer or a top employee who just got sick a few times.
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Post by azucena on Dec 31, 2017 10:56:16 GMT -5
DD1 and I had bronchitis starting 12/11 and went on antibiotics. Doctors said we were not contagious but we both felt awful so we stayed home. 12/22 my sister and her kids traveled to my mom's house from 8 hours away. DD1 spent that night. The next day DD2 ended up at urgent care for high fever and was diagnosed with influenza a and told to rest, hydrate, and treat with ibprofen and tylenol in rotation. Her fever lasted until 12/29.
12/29, one of sisters kids started with a fever and was also influenza a. They were offered tamiflu. Our urgent care doctor said tamiflu just masks the symptoms and makes people think they are better before they really are so he didn't prescribe it. Anyway I'm totally catching the blame for neice even though it was well outside the 72 hours that it would have taken for them to catch it from DD1 overnight stay if she was a carrier. Clarified this with my nurse friend who works infectious disease at the hospital. Sis sent a massive text to our other siblings alerting them that they may have been in contact and pointing back to me. Then, she also called me out on facebook.
This morning she sends out a mass text saying they have been fever free for 24 hours so everyone should feel free to come and visit. SMH. I've taken the high road and stayed out it but did text one elderly aunt that just also had bronchitis (totally separate from us) to stay away from them.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Dec 31, 2017 13:01:24 GMT -5
DH works at a hospital. Obviously, he shouldn't go to work sick, and the official policy is to not come in sick. He gets a bonus for not using sick days, and then when he did use several sick days in a row (he had some gastro bug) he was "counseled" because he used too many days without a doctor's note. The boss told him, "I know this is stupid, but policy is that i have to do this. I know you were sick and you had to stay home. Consider yourself counseled per the policy." Great example of how trying to run things well by 100% following a written policy manual is stupid and ineffective. Same thing with trying to regulate everything with laws. There will never be a policy manual or system of laws that is comprehensive enough to cover all situations. Policies have to allow for some discretion and adaptation to the situation so you can address whether the person is a chronic malingerer or a top employee who just got sick a few times. Blindly following a company policy prevents people from having to think.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 13:13:53 GMT -5
Great example of how trying to run things well by 100% following a written policy manual is stupid and ineffective. Same thing with trying to regulate everything with laws. There will never be a policy manual or system of laws that is comprehensive enough to cover all situations. Policies have to allow for some discretion and adaptation to the situation so you can address whether the person is a chronic malingerer or a top employee who just got sick a few times. Blindly following a company policy prevents people from having to think. .
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Post by chapeau on Dec 31, 2017 15:02:20 GMT -5
My sister is a pediatrician. The practice she works for does not do sick days, and days off must be scheduled 60 days in advance. Yeah, that works. She had pneumonia in late October, and had to take a week off without pay because there is no mechanism for sick days. And her coworkers were mad at her because they had to cover her patients. If I took a newborn to a pediatrician who looked like the walking dead and was coughing up a lung like she was, I'd turn around at the door and find a new practice immediately. I understand that the practice doesn't want staff calling off every time they have a sniffle (cause let's face it, they are exposed to ALL the sickness), but pneumonia? Really? I can see needing a doctor's note (obviously not from yourself ), but to not provide for them at all completely boggles my mind. I haven't had DD to our pediatrician since then, but I plan to ask how they handle staff illness.
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Post by midjd on Dec 31, 2017 15:55:12 GMT -5
My sister is a pediatrician. The practice she works for does not do sick days, and days off must be scheduled 60 days in advance. Yeah, that works. She had pneumonia in late October, and had to take a week off without pay because there is no mechanism for sick days. And her coworkers were mad at her because they had to cover her patients. If I took a newborn to a pediatrician who looked like the walking dead and was coughing up a lung like she was, I'd turn around at the door and find a new practice immediately. I understand that the practice doesn't want staff calling off every time they have a sniffle (cause let's face it, they are exposed to ALL the sickness), but pneumonia? Really? I can see needing a doctor's note (obviously not from yourself ), but to not provide for them at all completely boggles my mind. I haven't had DD to our pediatrician since then, but I plan to ask how they handle staff illness. Wow, that's ridiculous. How can a business that specifically focuses on treating ill people "not do" sick days for staff? My sister is an oncology nurse and works overnight Fri/Sat/Sun shifts. Yesterday she was all upset because she had to use up her last call-in after getting sick mid-shift Friday. They get 2 unscheduled call-ins during a rolling year and are very strict about it (I guess they can afford to be, it's a popular hospital with no shortage of new nurses). They have the same 60-day notice for advance days off. It doesn't seem like unpaid time off is really an option. I totally understand the need to make sure all shifts are covered, but these are people working with almost entirely immunocompromised patients. It seems like if someone gets the flu, their choices are basically get fired or risk infecting a leukemia patient.
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Post by jkapp on Dec 31, 2017 21:42:59 GMT -5
Great example of how trying to run things well by 100% following a written policy manual is stupid and ineffective. Same thing with trying to regulate everything with laws. There will never be a policy manual or system of laws that is comprehensive enough to cover all situations. Policies have to allow for some discretion and adaptation to the situation so you can address whether the person is a chronic malingerer or a top employee who just got sick a few times. Blindly following a company policy prevents people from having to think. Unfortunately, because we are a highly litigious society, people have to follow everything per company policy. Otherwise, if one person is disciplined for an infraction while someone else isn't, then the one who was disciplined can claim favoritism/discrimination. But then if you don't have a policy then people will take advantage of everything (probably the same people who would be disciplined under the policy). If people didn't suck so much, then laws and policies wouldn't even be needed
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 2, 2018 12:35:59 GMT -5
Who takes a kid with pneumonia out of the house?! Let alone to a family function to spread it around?! My niece, two years ago, for our Christmas party. Three kids under the age of 5, all sharing the same cold. One was fascinated by the table that had all the desserts laid out on it, standing there staring at it (and sneezing over it) for quite a while, with niece standing nearby watching, never trying to pull him away or at least asking him to cover his mouth. DH and I both got sick within a week after that. (and no, we didn't eat any dessert, but still got sick).
This last Christmas, just her youngest was sick, running a fever and laying lethargically in our nieces' lap most of the time, but she perked up towards the end and when niece and family started to leave, niece was holding her sick daughter, who suddenly leaned forward with pursed lips like she intended to give Grandma (who is 87) a nice smooch on the mouth. I nearly launched myself between the two of them to prevent contact, but my niece fortunately had enough presence of mind to take a step back and tell her daughter to just 'blow a kiss' rather than actually physically kiss poor frail grandma....
I don't think I'm a germaphobe, but seriously, have some common sense... and don't kill poor grandma with your germy germs.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jan 2, 2018 13:24:47 GMT -5
DD1 and I had bronchitis starting 12/11 and went on antibiotics. Doctors said we were not contagious but we both felt awful so we stayed home. 12/22 my sister and her kids traveled to my mom's house from 8 hours away. DD1 spent that night. The next day DD2 ended up at urgent care for high fever and was diagnosed with influenza a and told to rest, hydrate, and treat with ibprofen and tylenol in rotation. Her fever lasted until 12/29. 12/29, one of sisters kids started with a fever and was also influenza a. They were offered tamiflu. Our urgent care doctor said tamiflu just masks the symptoms and makes people think they are better before they really are so he didn't prescribe it. Anyway I'm totally catching the blame for neice even though it was well outside the 72 hours that it would have taken for them to catch it from DD1 overnight stay if she was a carrier. Clarified this with my nurse friend who works infectious disease at the hospital. Sis sent a massive text to our other siblings alerting them that they may have been in contact and pointing back to me. Then, she also called me out on facebook. This morning she sends out a mass text saying they have been fever free for 24 hours so everyone should feel free to come and visit. SMH. I've taken the high road and stayed out it but did text one elderly aunt that just also had bronchitis (totally separate from us) to stay away from them. I would not have taken the higher ground after the last text. I would have had to point out the time frame between your daughters visit and them getting sick. And then every time you are expected to see them in the future go into detail about everyone's health and that it's probably better not to risk exposure. You might get out of a few visits. The contagious period varies depending on the virus. 24 hours, 72 hours, 10 days, 14 days. Realistically most of us never know what virus we have, and we all chalk it up to cold or flu and move on. But stories like this, and like Chloe's where she is exposed to everything but rarely gets sick is one reason I feel like the person at risk has to be the one to protect themselves and not assume that others know or can do that for them. It's like the peanut allergy argument and we never circle that one saying we should expect everyone to stop bringing in food with peanuts.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 2, 2018 15:33:20 GMT -5
DD thinks DS gave it to us. Don’t know for sure but he was coughing Christmas Eve and a few days later all 3 of us are sick. He went to a walk-in clinic the 26th and got something for it. I’m hoping I didn’t spread it before I knew I was sick. I stayed home after I knew I was because I felt awful and was also sure I didn’t spread it. Even when I went to Walgreens for meds, I wore a mask. Considering the flu vaccine isn’t all that effective this year, I’m wearing a mask when I volunteer in the hospital because sick visitors come to visit sick patients. 😲 omg. I try to use the service elevator when possible because I don’t want to be exposed to sick visitors.
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Post by swamp on Jan 2, 2018 15:36:23 GMT -5
Great example of how trying to run things well by 100% following a written policy manual is stupid and ineffective. Same thing with trying to regulate everything with laws. There will never be a policy manual or system of laws that is comprehensive enough to cover all situations. Policies have to allow for some discretion and adaptation to the situation so you can address whether the person is a chronic malingerer or a top employee who just got sick a few times. Blindly following a company policy prevents people from having to think. Sadly, the boss would have been disciplined for failure to discipline. I think they're just trying to "be fair" but it ends up being stupid.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jan 2, 2018 16:31:37 GMT -5
I get the whole not knowingly exposing other people to illnesses, but with little kids there is a whole lot of time where we unknowingly expose other people. Like the time when we came home from church and the kids started throwing up. Or just a couple weeks ago DD was feeling a little warm at church and a little lethargic. I couldn't decide if I should let her go into children's church or make her stay with us. I couldn't tell if she was really coming down with something or mad at her dad. I figured she had already exposed all the other kids to what she hadif she had something in Sunday School, so I sent her to Children's church (she was fine BTW, DH was right and she was just mad at him).
Or working for a place with no sick days or vacation days the first year.
It sounds really great in theory, but in practice it is a lot harder to say oh I'm sick, I'll stay home. Half the time I don't know if someone is actually sick or allergies or they get sick after the fact.
I was allergic to something at my husband's aunt's house. (I knew it was an allergy because my eyes were itching like crazy like they do when i pet a cat). So I thought my nose running was from that. Except the allergy medicine really didnt stop my nose from running. It turned out the cold I had been avoiding for a week caught up with me and i had an all out cold. It took me a day and a half to realize that was what was going on.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jan 2, 2018 22:26:33 GMT -5
I can’t believe that the mom took the child with pneumonia Out! Poor thing must have just wanted to lie Down and rest
One Christmas when my kids were little my youngest got the flu Christmas Eve and the oldest got it Christmas night. I cancelled dinner because my kids needed me and just wanted to snuggle all day. Not to mention that my mom and MIL had health issues.
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Post by Sharon on Jan 2, 2018 22:34:27 GMT -5
Many, many years ago my Sisters ex was supposed to have their children for Thanksgiving weekend. He dropped them off at my parents house on Thanksgiving day while the whole family was there, including all the cousins. The kids are all down in the basement playing and had been for a couple of hours. Sis starts digging deeper into why they were dropped off early. Come to find out the kids all had lice and Dad didn't want to deal with it and told the kids he would whip them if they told anyone. He was always threatening crap like that, there was a reason he was the ex. All of the cousins ended up with lice. He was always threatening the kids with something and they pretty much just ignored him. They learned early on what kind of person their Dad was.
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