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Post by Anne_in_VA on Dec 29, 2017 12:37:51 GMT -5
Went to a family gathering last week and found out later one of the kids that was there has pneumonia and at least one other kid has a cold. I have COPD and don’t go anywhere there are sick kids since I seem to catch whatever they’ve got. Now I’m sick with a cold and it’s settling in my chest. My family knows I don’t go around sick people just for that reason. I don’t understand why they didn’t tell me about the sick kids, at least I could then have stayed home.
I realize I may have picked up something while out and about shopping in the past couple of weeks, but I really wish people didn’t bring their sick kids to a family gathering.
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Post by andi9899 on Dec 29, 2017 12:44:49 GMT -5
I'm with you. Sorry you're sick.
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Post by busymom on Dec 29, 2017 12:48:05 GMT -5
Sounds like my SIL. For YEARS, she'd bring her sick kids to our Christmas gatherings, with no warning to anyone else of course. Then, within a week, we'd be sick. Maybe I'm old school, but I keep my kids at home when they're sick, even if it means missing a holiday or two.
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Post by Anne_in_VA on Dec 29, 2017 12:55:13 GMT -5
Yes, this was our niece who brought her sick kid to the party. I’m so upset about it. The kid was running around the house with no shoes or socks on. She even came up and hugged me. I’m very careful to wash my hands but she was coughing and didn’t cover her mouth (of course).
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Post by kittensaver on Dec 29, 2017 13:01:49 GMT -5
The doctors tripped across my DH's cancer diagnosis when he had pneumonia in October (a dangerously-way-too-low white blood cell count caused them to test further and discover the problem). Since that time, we've discovered the sad magic of disposable surgical masks:
www.amazon.com/3M-1860-Respirator-Surgical-Count/dp/B001NP8JZY/ref=sr_1_36_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1514570176&sr=1-36&keywords=surgical+mask
Maybe get some and keep them in your car when you are out and about visiting? Join me in becoming the crotchety old crazy lady who insists that sick people who come into your home wear one? Any infection my DH caught right now has the real potential to be deadly because of his severely compromised immune system. So I don't care - either don't come over, wear a mask, or leave.
This would help in reducing the germ transmission problem, but of course it will not cure folks who are just oblivious and/or inconsiderate . . . .
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Post by bean29 on Dec 29, 2017 13:02:41 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear that you are sick. Prayers for a Quick Recovery.
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 29, 2017 13:04:15 GMT -5
I think sick people should self quarantine much more. We as a society have a stupid attitude towards this crap. For 2 months people came to work and coughed and sneezed all over everything and then shrugged when the next person got it, and then the person after that, and then the person after that. We have kick ass technology now - work from home and keep your germs to yourself. We know how these things are spread, yet for some bizzare reason, we continue to share germs as if no one else matters.
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Post by hoops902 on Dec 29, 2017 13:04:57 GMT -5
Did she know the kid had pneumonia when she brought him to the party? I know for my family, it seems like we find out after gatherings that so-and-so is sick and would have been sick for the gathering...but they didn't really show any signs until after.
I do think it's unrealistic to expect to be told every time someone has a cold (depending on where you live). In cold climates you can pretty much guarantee that someone you're going to be around has a cold...heck even diagnosing "so and so has a cold" vs "so and so just has a sore throat...or a cough they get all winter from dry air...or whatever" is difficult. There's a big jump from having a cold and what you can realistically expect to someone having pneumonia though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 13:13:05 GMT -5
I think sick people should self quarantine much more. We as a society have a stupid attitude towards this crap. For 2 months people came to work and coughed and sneezed all over everything and then shrugged when the next person got it, and then the person after that, and then the person after that. We have kick ass technology now - work from home and keep your germs to yourself. We know how these things are spread, yet for some bizzare reason, we continue to share germs as if no one else matters. Well, it's not that easy to do all the time. Not everyone can work from home (maybe 10% of the people at the company I'm with even have that option), and colds/bronchitis etc can stick around for weeks. I get 5 days of sick time a YEAR. That has to cover myself and if I have to stay home with a sick kid, so pretty much unless I'm puking I'm at work. At my older son's school they can only miss 3 days of school a semester after that bad things happen (I don't even know what they are because he's never missed more than one). I think it's Saturday make-ups and the teachers can give him zeros for any missed work. Thankfully, I'm very healthy. The only thing that kicks my ass is all my migraines and they aren't contagious. I don't even remember the last time I had a cold.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Dec 29, 2017 13:28:20 GMT -5
People who think they are indispensable to the office do that. The office I used to work in featured just such a dim bulb beyotch. She always came to work, sounding like she was hacking up a half-dozen furballs. Of course her excuse was always, "I'm past the contagion stage." And of course, I'd get sick less than a week later, a bad idea for someone who cannot take most OTC cold/flu meds. But she was sooooooo important to the workings of the office. Finally, my now former boss had enough. He set her up with home access to work stuff, and told her to stay the freak home when she was sick. Since I left that job almost 2 years ago, I have not had even one small issue with a cold. Hope you feel better soon.
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 29, 2017 13:37:49 GMT -5
I think sick people should self quarantine much more. We as a society have a stupid attitude towards this crap. For 2 months people came to work and coughed and sneezed all over everything and then shrugged when the next person got it, and then the person after that, and then the person after that. We have kick ass technology now - work from home and keep your germs to yourself. We know how these things are spread, yet for some bizzare reason, we continue to share germs as if no one else matters. Well, it's not that easy to do all the time. Not everyone can work from home (maybe 10% of the people at the company I'm with even have that option), and colds/bronchitis etc can stick around for weeks. I get 5 days of sick time a YEAR. That has to cover myself and if I have to stay home with a sick kid, so pretty much unless I'm puking I'm at work. At my older son's school they can only miss 3 days of school a semester after that bad things happen (I don't even know what they are because he's never missed more than one). I think it's Saturday make-ups and the teachers can give him zeros for any missed work. Thankfully, I'm very healthy. The only thing that kicks my ass is all my migraines and they aren't contagious. I don't even remember the last time I had a cold. True. But 100% of the people in my office have a laptop, an internet connection, and the ability to work from home. Half our team is remote, including the big boss, so even when we have meetings, we use web conferences, often from our own desks. There is no reason to come to the office and spread it around.
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Post by hoops902 on Dec 29, 2017 13:41:59 GMT -5
People who think they are indispensable to the office do that. The office I used to work in featured just such a dim bulb beyotch. She always came to work, sounding like she was hacking up a half-dozen furballs. Of course her excuse was always, "I'm past the contagion stage." And of course, I'd get sick less than a week later, a bad idea for someone who cannot take most OTC cold/flu meds. But she was sooooooo important to the workings of the office. Finally, my now former boss had enough. He set her up with home access to work stuff, and told her to stay the freak home when she was sick. Since I left that job almost 2 years ago, I have not had even one small issue with a cold. Hope you feel better soon. Not sure how your office is...but I'll provide an example case that might be in her defense. Before I could work from home when I was fresh out of college I called in sick for like 5 days in a given year (3 times, 1 time for 3 days, twice for 1 day each). My manager loved me and tried to give me the highest possible rating in my review...but because they only allow X% of the company to have that rating, it ended up being comparisons to other people to narrow it down. My manager flat out told me it was because I had 3 "occurrences" where I'd called in sick without 24 hour notice that dropped me down to the next rating level. Cost me about $3,000 in bonus/raise. Never called in sick again, regardless of how many emails HR sent out about "don't come to work sick". If you want to change behavior, you have to reward people for it. Paying lip service to it and then punishing them when they behave how you've told them won't get people doing what you'd like. It doesn't impact me any more because I can work from home and my job isn't so built around daily work, but I still hear managers complaining a LOT about "we're shortstaffed because so-and-so called in sick at the last moment" and how awful it is and they're pissed...but I know that person rarely calls in sick. Other people on that team hear it and they just show up sick because they don't want a manager badmouthing them for how they "hurt the team" by calling in.
That goes doubly when we talk about "nobody is so important that they can't miss work"...but I can tell you absolutely that we have some days where if a certain person is gone...we're screwed because we refuse to crosstrain on things. I can say with certainty that when we launch a new automated process in January that if I'm gone it's all going to blow up. They're turning IT items on Saturday, and I have a bunch of stuff that can't be done until Monday morning. If I don't do it, nobody else can...and with the IT stuff turned on...it's going to be chaos. I probably can't be gone for the first month without a high degree of risk because I'm the only person who knows how to do it...I don't want to be the only person...but I am.
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Post by swamp on Dec 29, 2017 13:47:36 GMT -5
DH works at a hospital. Obviously, he shouldn't go to work sick, and the official policy is to not come in sick. He gets a bonus for not using sick days, and then when he did use several sick days in a row (he had some gastro bug) he was "counseled" because he used too many days without a doctor's note. The boss told him, "I know this is stupid, but policy is that i have to do this. I know you were sick and you had to stay home. Consider yourself counseled per the policy."
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 29, 2017 13:50:58 GMT -5
DH works at a hospital. Obviously, he shouldn't go to work sick, and the official policy is to not come in sick. He gets a bonus for not using sick days, and then when he did use several sick days in a row (he had some gastro bug) he was "counseled" because he used too many days without a doctor's note. The boss told him, "I know this is stupid, but policy is that i have to do this. I know you were sick and you had to stay home. Consider yourself counseled per the policy." That is precisely the problem.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Dec 29, 2017 14:11:23 GMT -5
At my last job, it seemed to be a badge of honor to come in sick. I often felt sort of sick, but not terribly so, so I often wasn't sure whether or not to just suck it up or call in. Much of the time, I probably wasn't contagious, though. Allergy issues turning into sinus infections. Despite having 2 kids in school now, I've been really healthy for the most part. Less stress from having to drag myself into work every day, and sinus surgery have seemed to help a ton. I'm just really worried about my kids getting sick, but they've had a really good sttetch, too.
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Post by andi9899 on Dec 29, 2017 14:14:09 GMT -5
Who takes a kid with pneumonia out of the house?! Let alone to a family function to spread it around?!
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Post by andi9899 on Dec 29, 2017 14:18:30 GMT -5
I think sick people should self quarantine much more. We as a society have a stupid attitude towards this crap. For 2 months people came to work and coughed and sneezed all over everything and then shrugged when the next person got it, and then the person after that, and then the person after that. We have kick ass technology now - work from home and keep your germs to yourself. We know how these things are spread, yet for some bizzare reason, we continue to share germs as if no one else matters. Well, it's not that easy to do all the time. Not everyone can work from home (maybe 10% of the people at the company I'm with even have that option), and colds/bronchitis etc can stick around for weeks. I get 5 days of sick time a YEAR. That has to cover myself and if I have to stay home with a sick kid, so pretty much unless I'm puking I'm at work. At my older son's school they can only miss 3 days of school a semester after that bad things happen (I don't even know what they are because he's never missed more than one). I think it's Saturday make-ups and the teachers can give him zeros for any missed work. Thankfully, I'm very healthy. The only thing that kicks my ass is all my migraines and they aren't contagious. I don't even remember the last time I had a cold. Having to go to work is very different than going to a family function. If you insist on going, the least you can do is let others know so they can choose whether or not they want to be exposed to it.
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Post by kittensaver on Dec 29, 2017 14:38:35 GMT -5
Who takes a kid with pneumonia out of the house?! Let alone to a family function to spread it around?! WORD
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 14:47:47 GMT -5
Well, it's not that easy to do all the time. Not everyone can work from home (maybe 10% of the people at the company I'm with even have that option), and colds/bronchitis etc can stick around for weeks. I get 5 days of sick time a YEAR. That has to cover myself and if I have to stay home with a sick kid, so pretty much unless I'm puking I'm at work. At my older son's school they can only miss 3 days of school a semester after that bad things happen (I don't even know what they are because he's never missed more than one). I think it's Saturday make-ups and the teachers can give him zeros for any missed work. Thankfully, I'm very healthy. The only thing that kicks my ass is all my migraines and they aren't contagious. I don't even remember the last time I had a cold. Having to go to work is very different than going to a family function. If you insist on going, the least you can do is let others know so they can choose whether or not they want to be exposed to it. True, but I was responding to the post about going to work sick.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Dec 29, 2017 15:30:30 GMT -5
People who think they are indispensable to the office do that. The office I used to work in featured just such a dim bulb beyotch. She always came to work, sounding like she was hacking up a half-dozen furballs. Of course her excuse was always, "I'm past the contagion stage." And of course, I'd get sick less than a week later, a bad idea for someone who cannot take most OTC cold/flu meds. But she was sooooooo important to the workings of the office. Finally, my now former boss had enough. He set her up with home access to work stuff, and told her to stay the freak home when she was sick. Since I left that job almost 2 years ago, I have not had even one small issue with a cold. Hope you feel better soon. Not sure how your office is...but I'll provide an example case that might be in her defense. Before I could work from home when I was fresh out of college I called in sick for like 5 days in a given year (3 times, 1 time for 3 days, twice for 1 day each). My manager loved me and tried to give me the highest possible rating in my review...but because they only allow X% of the company to have that rating, it ended up being comparisons to other people to narrow it down. My manager flat out told me it was because I had 3 "occurrences" where I'd called in sick without 24 hour notice that dropped me down to the next rating level. Cost me about $3,000 in bonus/raise. Never called in sick again, regardless of how many emails HR sent out about "don't come to work sick". If you want to change behavior, you have to reward people for it. Paying lip service to it and then punishing them when they behave how you've told them won't get people doing what you'd like. It doesn't impact me any more because I can work from home and my job isn't so built around daily work, but I still hear managers complaining a LOT about "we're shortstaffed because so-and-so called in sick at the last moment" and how awful it is and they're pissed...but I know that person rarely calls in sick. Other people on that team hear it and they just show up sick because they don't want a manager badmouthing them for how they "hurt the team" by calling in.
That goes doubly when we talk about "nobody is so important that they can't miss work"...but I can tell you absolutely that we have some days where if a certain person is gone...we're screwed because we refuse to crosstrain on things. I can say with certainty that when we launch a new automated process in January that if I'm gone it's all going to blow up. They're turning IT items on Saturday, and I have a bunch of stuff that can't be done until Monday morning. If I don't do it, nobody else can...and with the IT stuff turned on...it's going to be chaos. I probably can't be gone for the first month without a high degree of risk because I'm the only person who knows how to do it...I don't want to be the only person...but I am.
Totally see your point on that one, Hoops. In the case of my now former place of business, working from home was possible. In your case, it sounds like some things not done by a certain person at at certain time would be a pretty bad scene. The lack of crosstraining isn't always something you can fix; sometimes that's a management issue. Same for new processes; those introduction dates are not really in your control, and you just roll with them ( and I take it you've been advised not to be away in January). In my new job, which starts Tuesday, I made it clear that I welcome and want to be crosstrained at all the jobs. The owner's assistant is currently facing a major family issue (terminally ill father) and will likely be in and out of the office for the foreseeable future. The more useful I am at all levels, the more valuable I can be.
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Post by raeoflyte on Dec 29, 2017 15:37:05 GMT -5
Pneumonia isn't actually contagious. Obviously they may have a virus with it that could be.
I don't knowingly expose people to my sick kids, and I was very cautious with dgm, and I try to be with my parents now. Cautious to the point of washing the outside of fruit that you don't eat the outside of. My mom was in the hospital with the flu over christmas and I said the only silver lining was that for once it didn't come from us.
But like hoops said, I don't usually know the kids are sick until after the party. Big, fun halloween party at our house. 15 kids, that many adults or more. Food, drinks, it was great. 1 kid starts puking at 2am. I hoped they just ate something that didn't agree with them and held onto that hope until the other kid started puking around 4am. So whatever they got from school we had now effectively transferred to a bunch of other kids. There was also a year where at least one of us was always "sick". How sick, or really sick, or just allergies, is hard to say, but it was a really rough year. We couldn't all stay home all year even if we had wanted to.
We also have family that will lecture us if we don't show up to something even if its because someone is sick, and call us to accuse us of getting them sick if they've seen us within a week of coming down with anything. My favorite is when they're sick with something we don't have, but it's still somehow our fault. But I'm not bitter.
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Post by busymom on Dec 29, 2017 16:59:19 GMT -5
Actually, walking pneumonia IS contagious. I got it, but it wasn't until I was diagnosed that I found out several people at my church had it (we've got a thing at our church, that everyone shakes hands & greets those around you at the beginning of the service). I was quite weak for a number of weeks, so I wouldn't wish it on anyone, & actually stayed home from church, since you're basically contagious for about 10 days.
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Post by Anne_in_VA on Dec 29, 2017 18:19:20 GMT -5
Did she know the kid had pneumonia when she brought him to the party? I know for my family, it seems like we find out after gatherings that so-and-so is sick and would have been sick for the gathering...but they didn't really show any signs until after.
I do think it's unrealistic to expect to be told every time someone has a cold (depending on where you live). In cold climates you can pretty much guarantee that someone you're going to be around has a cold...heck even diagnosing "so and so has a cold" vs "so and so just has a sore throat...or a cough they get all winter from dry air...or whatever" is difficult. There's a big jump from having a cold and what you can realistically expect to someone having pneumonia though. Yes, she knew the kid has pneumonia. She was evidently giving her a breathing treatment when we got there.
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 29, 2017 18:25:43 GMT -5
My sister in law didn't come to lunch because their dog was sick. They live a mile away. We usually jamb through lunch in 2 hours, tops. It is the only time we get together during the holidays.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Dec 29, 2017 20:00:35 GMT -5
Pneumonia is contagious. My mother was in isolation when she was hospitalized for pneumonia.
I'm sorry this happened.
As kids, we got chicken pox, measles and mumps from holiday dinners.
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Dec 29, 2017 23:55:04 GMT -5
I have a compromised immune system, severe asthma, and obstructive sleep apnea requiring a CPAP and oxygen. If I catch a respiratory bug, it can be life threatening. Fortunately, my cleaning lady knows this and calls/cancels if she's sick. And my "boss" at the cat adoption center knows as well, so she does her best to warn me if there are coworkers who have been ill, etc. I spend a lot of time washing my hands, using hand sanitizer, and I keep masks in my bag and in my car. The flu season sucks.
I hope you get well soon.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Dec 30, 2017 0:05:06 GMT -5
Did she know the kid had pneumonia when she brought him to the party? I know for my family, it seems like we find out after gatherings that so-and-so is sick and would have been sick for the gathering...but they didn't really show any signs until after.
I do think it's unrealistic to expect to be told every time someone has a cold (depending on where you live). In cold climates you can pretty much guarantee that someone you're going to be around has a cold...heck even diagnosing "so and so has a cold" vs "so and so just has a sore throat...or a cough they get all winter from dry air...or whatever" is difficult. There's a big jump from having a cold and what you can realistically expect to someone having pneumonia though. Yes, she knew the kid has pneumonia. She was evidently giving her a breathing treatment when we got there. In that case, the kid being there is unacceptable. Someone needs to tell the mother that. It's unacceptable to expose other people to that level of illness nor is that how a kid with pneumonia should be taken care of.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Dec 30, 2017 0:07:00 GMT -5
I work in a school with 350 students. The chances of me carrying something at any given point during the school year is probably 99.9%. However, because I've spent the last 15 years in schools, my immune system is pretty darn good. I probably infect people a lot, though, simply by walking around.
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Post by empress of self-improvement on Dec 30, 2017 3:08:54 GMT -5
DH works at a hospital. Obviously, he shouldn't go to work sick, and the official policy is to not come in sick. He gets a bonus for not using sick days, and then when he did use several sick days in a row (he had some gastro bug) he was "counseled" because he used too many days without a doctor's note. The boss told him, "I know this is stupid, but policy is that i have to do this. I know you were sick and you had to stay home. Consider yourself counseled per the policy." I got one of those counseling sessions. I did not handle my father dying very well and for that winter, he died in November, I seemed to have chronic bronchitis every month. Or sinus infections or something that would keep me out of work. I got the talk from the department manager. She got the boot a few months later and I think some of that insensitivity had something to do with it. My supervisor was ripshit at her about it. I'm sorry about the COPD issue Anne. My mother and aunt had it and it sucks when people are oblivious to how dangerous it can be for those with compromised respiratory systems. Jackwads.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Dec 30, 2017 6:27:49 GMT -5
I suppose it depends on what type of pneumonia it was. I got pneumococcal pneumonia after having the flu .....Its infectious but is a complication of influenza and you would have to get the flu first. There was no activity at all during this period.
Yes the child should not have been there......We have forgone visiting at Christmas altogether when our kids were small because we didn't want to take a nasty bug to elderly relatives.
I'm sorry that your relatives were so inconsiderate.
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