SPYGATE; SMOKING GUN

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Oh, and contrary to the widely disseminated "Executive Summary" - which may be termed "talking points" The IG Report States: "We do not have confidence that Strzok's decision was free from bias"- this Strzok guy is going down. My best guess as to why he still works at the FBI? See Link #2

Link #1 theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/06/14/ig-report-we-do-not-have-confidence-that-strzoks-decision-was-free-from-bias/

Link #2 theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/03/30/deal-or-no-deal-theres-a-transparency-within-two-factions-of-doj-and-fbi-political-small-group/

As a person familiar with such specific investigative measures shared:

"They are sat down, told to not do anything, say anything or discuss anything UNTIL they get an attorney. At which time, the attorney is handed a letter from the investigating unit. That letter says in essence, this is how screwed you are. If you want to be less screwed you will sign this letter of cooperation and assist us. When we don’t need you, you sit there. When we do we will call you and you will provide what we need. Any deviation from this agreement lands you in jail for the full term."

If you stand back and look at all activity from July 2017 through March 2018 you can get a good feel for who is inside the “small group”, who is cooperating and who is not.

♦COOPERATING GROUP – FBI Agent Peter Strzok, FBI/DOJ lawyer Lisa Page, DOJ Attorney Bruce Ohr, DOJ-NSD Deputy Asst. Attorney General George Toscas; FBI Chief Legal Counsel James Baker and Asst. FBI Director in charge of Counterintelligence Bill Priestap, are all still employed within the system. Strzok, Page, Ohr, and Baker have been removed from responsibilities, but there are still there. Bill Priestap is still in responsibility and still there.

♦NOT COOPERATING GROUP – FBI Communications Director Mike Kortan (quit), DOJ-NSD Deputy Asst. Attorney General David Laufman (quit), AG Loretta Lynch AAG Sally Yates, DOJ-NSD Asst Attorney General Mary McCord (quit), FBI Director James Comey (fired), Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe (fired), FBI Director Chief-of-staff James Rybicki (quit).

[thyme4change]

The only thing I heard about the report is that it will confirm what everyone was thinking, even if those things are totally contradictory.

[Tennesseer]

Jun 15, 2018 18:39:50 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

"Never pose with children or animals" - it's kind of showbiz 101. He should know better.

The above is showbiz 000.


The maxim "Never act with children or animals." is showbiz 101.

[tbop77]

Jun 13, 2018 19:01:05 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jun 13, 2018 9:17:27 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

You can't make this stuff up.

www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-12/mueller-scrambles-limit-evidence-after-indicted-russians-actually-show-court

To wit: As we all know, Mr. Mueller has indicted numerous Russian companies/individuals for skullduggery during the 2016 US election. All is well and good. Except, understandably, the indicted parties aren't playing nice. They have a legal right to defend themselves, and this entitles them to file motions for all evidence both inculpatory and exculpatory. Also not surprising: this entails the US intelligence apparatus ostensibly handing the world their playbook for detecting skullduggery.

The author of the cited blog argues, "I don’t think anyone (including Mueller) anticipated that any of the defendants would appear in court to defend against the charges. Rather, the Mueller prosecutors seem to have obtained the indictment to serve a public relations purpose, laying out the case for interference as understood by the government and lending a veneer of respectability to the Mueller Switch Project."

I don't think Mr. Mueller is quite so bubble-headed, but I do suspect his prosecutors expected more leeway from the courts than they're getting. The crux of the main article is that their efforts to delay disclosure of the evidence have failed and that things will come to a head today when the defendants appear in court, ibid.: "In other words, Mueller was denied the opportunity to kick the can down the road, forcing him to produce the requested evidence or withdraw the indictment, potentially jeopardizing the PR aspect of the entire 'Trump collusion' probe."

I feel for the man but at the same time: how is this not an eminently foreseeable consequence of the indictments? And the more pressing question: Who loses, America, America, or America? Does America lose by circumventing due process and proceeding using evidence so super-secret it can't be disclosed to the defendants (a practice condemned by every human rights group from Human Rights Watch to Amnesty International) [and assuming a judge will let them]? Or does America lose by handing over the evidence, and with it their cyber playbook--to the Kremlin? Or does America lose by withdrawing the indictments and having its special prosecutor with egg on his face?

All I can say is: what a mess. What a snow leopard of a mess.

Yep. In my opinion, and this is my own analysis based on intelligence guided by experience, is that Mueller is in a desperate scramble to deny defendants their absolute legal right to discovery because discovery is going to reveal that Mueller doesn't have any evidence and that is going to be a YUGE embarrassment.

Is this a YUGE embarrassment to President Trump?  

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was jailed Friday after a federal judge revoked his $10 million bail based on new witness tampering charges brought by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/15/manafort-pleads-not-guilty-to-charges-witness-tampering.html

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

[…] when one senior FBI official, Strzok, who was helping to lead the Russia investigation at the time, conveys in a text message to another senior FBI official, Page, that “we’ll stop” candidate Trump from being elected—after other extensive text messages between the two disparaging candidate Trump—it is not only indicative of a biased state of mind but, even more seriously, implies a willingness to take official action to impact the presidential candidate’s electoral prospects.

This is antithetical to the core values of the FBI and the Department of Justice. Moreover, as we describe in Chapter Nine, in assessing Strzok’s decision to prioritize the Russia investigation over following up on the Midyear-related investigative lead discovered on the Weiner laptop in October 2016, these text messages led us to conclude that we did not have confidence that Strzok’s decision was free from bias. (p.420)

The OIG investigative finding was disturbing enough to launch a separate set of investigations that will be included in follow-up reports.

IG REPORT – We identified numerous FBI employees, at all levels of the organization and with no official reason to be in contact with the media, who were nevertheless in frequent contact with reporters. Attached to this report as Attachments E and F are two link charts that reflect the volume of communications that we identified between FBI employees and media representatives in April/May and October 2016. We have profound concerns about the volume and extent of unauthorized media contacts by FBI personnel that we have uncovered during our review.

Several instances of FBI employees taking bribes from reporters were found (if you don't think they are bribes, then perhaps 'inducements' to keep chitty chatting with them- and perhaps, just perhaps telling them things they want to hear...). To be clear, I don't think we need to actually prosecute any of these agents criminally. That would be a waste of time and money- and given recent Supreme Court precedent, would likely result in an acquittal anyway-- such as the case of Bob McDonnell-- which the FBI was happy to put into federal prison for the same (alleged) thing: www.politico.com/story/2016/06/supreme-court-overturns-bob-mcdonnells-corruption-convictions-224833 -- but I do think this is grounds for dismissal with a big fat DNR for any federal job:

In addition, we identified instances where FBI employees improperly received benefits from reporters, including tickets to sporting events, golfing outings, drinks and meals, and admittance to nonpublic social events. We will separately report on those investigations as they are concluded, consistent with the Inspector General Act, other applicable federal statutes, and OIG policy.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

By the way- I'm reading it. I sent a copy to the printer and had it wire-bound and I'm reading the entire thing with highlighters in hand. I refuse to be "told" anything about this report- at least not from mainstream sources (including Fox News). The most important thing I've learned so far is that the specific - and I mean extremely micro-detailed line-item by line-item facts simply don't align with the summary/conclusion. 

[Virgil Showlion]

Jun 15, 2018 20:40:46 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

By the way- I'm reading it. I sent a copy to the printer and had it wire-bound and I'm reading the entire thing with highlighters in hand. I refuse to be "told" anything about this report- at least not from mainstream sources (including Fox News). The most important thing I've learned so far is that the specific - and I mean extremely micro-detailed line-item by line-item facts simply don't align with the summary/conclusion. 

I applaud your effort and dedication.

Better you than me, though.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 15, 2018 20:09:58 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Jun 13, 2018 19:01:05 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Yep. In my opinion, and this is my own analysis based on intelligence guided by experience, is that Mueller is in a desperate scramble to deny defendants their absolute legal right to discovery because discovery is going to reveal that Mueller doesn't have any evidence and that is going to be a YUGE embarrassment.

Is this a YUGE embarrassment to President Trump?  

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was jailed Friday after a federal judge revoked his $10 million bail based on new witness tampering charges brought by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/15/manafort-pleads-not-guilty-to-charges-witness-tampering.html

You see an embarrassment for Trump. I see a bloody #RedTsunami building of people who've had it up to here with the fact the Peter Strzok and Lois Lerner are still on the federal payroll while Paul Manafort must report to prison-- and for what? Being a scumbag K-Street lobbyist and political fixer? Who the fuck isn't on K-Street? It's going to be a long and expensive legal battle- not unlike Flynn's (who, in any honest assessment of things is looking at a very strong possibility of the judgment being vacated), but one in which Manafort will come out just fine in my opinion. We will see. However, the case for "witness tampering" is extraordinarily weak- and you will note that there are two cases against Manafort because Mueller went judge or at least venue shopping- and the case in question is presided over by a partisan hack of a judge, US District Judge Amy Berman Jackson. Mueller & Co. are not having the same luck with District Judge T.S. Ellis. 

But keep crossing your fingers out there that "this is the one" that's going to "flip on Trump"... ridiculous: politics.theonion.com/kid-who-mowed-white-house-lawn-to-flip-on-trump-1826806871?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=Politics_facebook

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

By the way- a plea reversal would be worse than a vacated conviction. The feds are rolling the dice on this. A plea reversal could potentially blow the lid off even more federal corruption-- because it would mean the feds would have to take the case to trial. Sure, Flynn plead out after they bankrupted him-- but do you think he won't have a legal defense fund if he decides to turn and fight? Best thing he could do right now IMHO. 

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Oh, and in case you're not keeping up (and I know most of you aren't) it is more than a little likely that Andrew McCabe is facing criminal charges in part because he altered Flynn's 302's...

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

I just don't understand how they can separate Paul Manafort from his children. 

[djAdvocate]

Jun 15, 2018 20:09:58 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Jun 13, 2018 19:01:05 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Yep. In my opinion, and this is my own analysis based on intelligence guided by experience, is that Mueller is in a desperate scramble to deny defendants their absolute legal right to discovery because discovery is going to reveal that Mueller doesn't have any evidence and that is going to be a YUGE embarrassment.

Is this a YUGE embarrassment to President Trump?  

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was jailed Friday after a federal judge revoked his $10 million bail based on new witness tampering charges brought by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/15/manafort-pleads-not-guilty-to-charges-witness-tampering.html

i predicted this a long time ago.  this guy is the slime monster of the swamp.

[djAdvocate]

Also not surprising: this entails the US intelligence apparatus ostensibly handing the world their playbook for detecting skullduggery.

this isn't quite true, by the way.  it is true that this is what they are DEMANDING.  but the demand is silly.  disclosure only applies to the case itself.  at least that is how the ruling is likely to go, if there is one.

the Russian atty's have the right to see the evidence against them pertaining to this case.  they have no right whatsoever to see how the FBI and CIA have been working since their formation.

my guess is that when push comes to shove, they are not going to be able to see any of it.  but that is just a guess on my part, and certainly not a reading of the law, as i understand it.

[Opti]

Jun 15, 2018 20:56:12 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jun 15, 2018 20:09:58 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Is this a YUGE embarrassment to President Trump?  

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was jailed Friday after a federal judge revoked his $10 million bail based on new witness tampering charges brought by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/15/manafort-pleads-not-guilty-to-charges-witness-tampering.html

You see an embarrassment for Trump. I see a bloody #RedTsunami building of people who've had it up to here with the fact the Peter Strzok and Lois Lerner are still on the federal payroll while Paul Manafort must report to prison-- and for what? Being a scumbag K-Street lobbyist and political fixer? Who the fuck isn't on K-Street? It's going to be a long and expensive legal battle- not unlike Flynn's (who, in any honest assessment of things is looking at a very strong possibility of the judgment being vacated), but one in which Manafort will come out just fine in my opinion. We will see. However, the case for "witness tampering" is extraordinarily weak- and you will note that there are two cases against Manafort because Mueller went judge or at least venue shopping- and the case in question is presided over by a partisan hack of a judge, US District Judge Amy Berman Jackson. Mueller & Co. are not having the same luck with District Judge T.S. Ellis. 

But keep crossing your fingers out there that "this is the one" that's going to "flip on Trump"... ridiculous: politics.theonion.com/kid-who-mowed-white-house-lawn-to-flip-on-trump-1826806871?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=Politics_facebook

What I see is people clinging to partial truths in order to be angry for the wrong reasons. Strzok didn't like Trump, Clinton or Bernie in his text messages. That means he wasn't for any of them. So since he doesn't like any of them, isn't playing favorites, logical people are OK with him staying employed. For those fed only the anti Trump info, they will believe otherwise because they are ignoring the inconvenient texts and truth that he isn't for Clinton or Bernie either.

So have fun with your highlighter. My guess is you are just going to cherry pick items out of context to write about thus following in the footsteps who only emphasized Trump while ignoring the dislike of Clinton and Bernie.

[tbop77]

Jun 15, 2018 20:56:12 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jun 15, 2018 20:09:58 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Is this a YUGE embarrassment to President Trump?  

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was jailed Friday after a federal judge revoked his $10 million bail based on new witness tampering charges brought by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/15/manafort-pleads-not-guilty-to-charges-witness-tampering.html

You see an embarrassment for Trump. I see a bloody #RedTsunami building of people who've had it up to here with the fact the Peter Strzok and Lois Lerner are still on the federal payroll while Paul Manafort must report to prison-- and for what? Being a scumbag K-Street lobbyist and political fixer? Who the fuck isn't on K-Street? It's going to be a long and expensive legal battle- not unlike Flynn's (who, in any honest assessment of things is looking at a very strong possibility of the judgment being vacated), but one in which Manafort will come out just fine in my opinion. We will see. However, the case for "witness tampering" is extraordinarily weak- and you will note that there are two cases against Manafort because Mueller went judge or at least venue shopping- and the case in question is presided over by a partisan hack of a judge, US District Judge Amy Berman Jackson. Mueller & Co. are not having the same luck with District Judge T.S. Ellis. 

But keep crossing your fingers out there that "this is the one" that's going to "flip on Trump"... ridiculous: politics.theonion.com/kid-who-mowed-white-house-lawn-to-flip-on-trump-1826806871?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=Politics_facebook

Whoa buddy, didn't mean to raise your BP by bringing up that maybe the swamp is getting drained, just not in the direction you thought it would.  Everyone knows that every good Christian man running for President of the USA needs a good political FIXER or two, right?  

[Tennesseer]

Jun 15, 2018 20:40:46 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

By the way- I'm reading it. I sent a copy to the printer and had it wire-bound and I'm reading the entire thing with highlighters in hand. I refuse to be "told" anything about this report- at least not from mainstream sources (including Fox News). The most important thing I've learned so far is that the specific - and I mean extremely micro-detailed line-item by line-item facts simply don't align with the summary/conclusion. 

Be quick and read the IG report. Leave no stone unturned in your examination of it. Michael Horowitz breathlessly awaits your call and follow up fax so he can amend and republish the report with your findings.

Also when you find the part in the report which caused trump to boastfully proclaim the IG report exonerates him of any and all collusion with Russia and obstruction of justice, please post it here.

TYIA.

[thyme4change]

But....Trump said he picked all the best people?

[ken a.k.a OMK]

I think the best people turned Trump down. So he picked incompetent people like himself.

[tallguy]

Jun 16, 2018 5:27:07 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Jun 15, 2018 20:56:12 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

You see an embarrassment for Trump. I see a bloody #RedTsunami building of people who've had it up to here with the fact the Peter Strzok and Lois Lerner are still on the federal payroll while Paul Manafort must report to prison-- and for what? Being a scumbag K-Street lobbyist and political fixer? Who the fuck isn't on K-Street? It's going to be a long and expensive legal battle- not unlike Flynn's (who, in any honest assessment of things is looking at a very strong possibility of the judgment being vacated), but one in which Manafort will come out just fine in my opinion. We will see. However, the case for "witness tampering" is extraordinarily weak- and you will note that there are two cases against Manafort because Mueller went judge or at least venue shopping- and the case in question is presided over by a partisan hack of a judge, US District Judge Amy Berman Jackson. Mueller & Co. are not having the same luck with District Judge T.S. Ellis. 

But keep crossing your fingers out there that "this is the one" that's going to "flip on Trump"... ridiculous: politics.theonion.com/kid-who-mowed-white-house-lawn-to-flip-on-trump-1826806871?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=Politics_facebook

Whoa buddy, didn't mean to raise your BP by bringing up that maybe the swamp is getting drained, just not in the direction you thought it would.  Everyone knows that every good Christian man running for President of the USA needs a good political FIXER or two, right?  

There is NO part of Trump that qualifies as either "good" or "Christian" and I am seriously beginning to think the same of those who support him personally.  It is okay to have some of his claimed interests intersect with yours, but as far as supporting the man himself?  You pretty much have to be deaf and blind, criminally stupid, or hopelessly corrupt yourself to believe in the man personally.  

[Virgil Showlion]

Jun 15, 2018 22:22:35 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Also not surprising: this entails the US intelligence apparatus ostensibly handing the world their playbook for detecting skullduggery.

this isn't quite true, by the way.  it is true that this is what they are DEMANDING.  but the demand is silly.  disclosure only applies to the case itself.  at least that is how the ruling is likely to go, if there is one.

the Russian atty's have the right to see the evidence against them pertaining to this case.  they have no right whatsoever to see how the FBI and CIA have been working since their formation.

my guess is that when push comes to shove, they are not going to be able to see any of it.  but that is just a guess on my part, and certainly not a reading of the law, as i understand it.

I was perhaps a bit too loose in my analogy.

They'll have to hand over the part of their playbook that describes how they got the goods on these Russian actors.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

IG Report: FBI Agent Peter Strzok Sent Weiner Sealed Indictment To His Personal Email…

One of the interesting aspects of the IG report is the documented use of personal email by participants within the FBI “small group” Mid-Year-Exam (MYE) team. [pg 424]

One of those documented examples involves FBI Agent Peter Strzok downloading the content of the sealed Anthony Weiner Indictment, October 29, 2016, to his personal email address. Unauthorized extraction of a ‘sealed SDNY indictment‘, and transmission to a non-secure system, is a felony.

[Opti]

If people in the FBI are using their personal email addresses for important work stuff of course that is bad and should be stopped. I just hope you don't flip on this issue when you discover Trump, his children, and many of his advisors are doing the same thing right now.

I wouldn't be surprised to find that Trump sends himself some of those documents he demands to be shredded to some Trump Tower email account.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Two GOP Representatives in the US House:

"Time's up"

We could bring articles of impeachment to the house this week:

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 16, 2018 21:04:48 GMT -5 Opti said:

If people in the FBI are using their personal email addresses for important work stuff of course that is bad and should be stopped. I just hope you don't flip on this issue when you discover Trump, his children, and many of his advisors are doing the same thing right now.

I wouldn't be surprised to find that Trump sends himself some of those documents he demands to be shredded to some Trump Tower email account.

Trump doesn't use email. #POTUSVSG

[weltschmerz]

Jun 17, 2018 19:15:54 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jun 16, 2018 21:04:48 GMT -5 Opti said:

If people in the FBI are using their personal email addresses for important work stuff of course that is bad and should be stopped. I just hope you don't flip on this issue when you discover Trump, his children, and many of his advisors are doing the same thing right now.

I wouldn't be surprised to find that Trump sends himself some of those documents he demands to be shredded to some Trump Tower email account.

Trump doesn't use email. #POTUSVSG [img src="http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/wink.png" src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png" alt="" class="smile"]

That's right....he uses crayons.

[Opti]

Jun 17, 2018 19:15:54 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jun 16, 2018 21:04:48 GMT -5 Opti said:

If people in the FBI are using their personal email addresses for important work stuff of course that is bad and should be stopped. I just hope you don't flip on this issue when you discover Trump, his children, and many of his advisors are doing the same thing right now.

I wouldn't be surprised to find that Trump sends himself some of those documents he demands to be shredded to some Trump Tower email account.

Trump doesn't use email. #POTUSVSG [img src="http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/wink.png" class="smile" alt="" src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png"]

A luddite that won't use email, but tweets? How odd, if really true.

VSG - very silly guy

[Virgil Showlion]

Jun 17, 2018 19:12:07 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Two GOP Representatives in the US House:

"Time's up"

We could bring articles of impeachment to the house this week:

Interesting, if light on new developments.

[Virgil Showlion]

Jun 17, 2018 21:09:21 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jun 17, 2018 19:15:54 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Trump doesn't use email. #POTUSVSG [img src="http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/wink.png" class="smile" alt="" src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png"]

A luddite that won't use email, but tweets? How odd, if really true.

VSG - very silly guy

No no.

POTUSVSG: President Optimist Thinks is Unusually Smart, Virtuous, Sexy, and Genuine

[billisonboard]

Jun 17, 2018 22:57:47 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Jun 17, 2018 19:12:07 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Two GOP Representatives in the US House:

"Time's up"

We could bring articles of impeachment to the house this week:

Interesting, if light on new developments.

Indeed. I bet the Senate would very excited getting tossed that hot potato!