SPYGATE; SMOKING GUN

[swamp]

May 30, 2018 10:16:19 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I'm confused. Was there actually someone embedded, or did they just send that one guy to drink with that blabbermouth?

one guy to talk with the blabbermouth.  

Which is how investigations generally work.   

And which is why I think conspiracies are a bunch of hokum.  Nobody can keep their pie hole shut.  

[happyhoix]

May 30, 2018 10:39:03 GMT -5 swamp said:

May 30, 2018 10:16:19 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I'm confused. Was there actually someone embedded, or did they just send that one guy to drink with that blabbermouth?

one guy to talk with the blabbermouth.  

Which is how investigations generally work.   

And which is why I think conspiracies are a bunch of hokum.  Nobody can keep their pie hole shut.  

Yep. Especially when there are people like Papadopoulos who like to get drunk in bars and blabber to people who turn out to be Australian  government employees, who become concerned enough about the 'dirt gathering from the Russians' remarks to contact the American authorities.

Too many drunken tools eager to brag about their role in shaping the destiny of the planet to strangers.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 30, 2018 8:32:05 GMT -5 formerroomate99 said:

May 29, 2018 11:49:49 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

The relevant questions (still not answered yet) are - if Comey and Obama and the Clintons and all of the DOJ were all conspiring to keep Trump out of office, why did Comey announce 10 days before the election that they found more Clinton emails - and why did Comey not announce 10 days before the election that they suspected Russia was meddling in the US election in order to help Trump win? 

Can the Dark Heart/Black Head DeepThroat conspiracy be so all powerful it they can't even conspire to defeat one of the most blatantly unpopular candidates in our history? Instead, Comey and the FBI pretty much handed the election to Trump on a platter.

Why did Obama sit silently in the Oval Office after the FBI had informed him and the Trump campaign about the potential Russian meddling? Seems he could have easily leaked that information (hell, he could have given it to any Trump staffer and it would have been headlining the evening news, based on how easily Trump's admin leaks shit). Instead, this incompetent conspirator said nothing public at all, and Trump got elected.

Until you can explain successfully these big plot holes in your elaborately pieced together (but weak) conspiracy plot, it's bullshit, regardless of all the little threads you're trying to combine together into a whole.

 

Comey has stated outright in his book tour that he thought Hillary's victory was inevitable and that talking about the emails earlier would let the story die and have less effect on her presidency.  

If Obama had leaked information about the Russia thing, he would also be admitting that he was using the government to spy on an opposition candidate.  Remember, at that time, they were saying Trump was a crazy conspiracy theorist for claiming that he was being wiretapped.  There would have been a huge backlash if they had admitted such things.  

True.

I would add that Comey cares mainly about Comey.  And this was a CYA move. I can't prove this. I readily admit it is conjecture- but it's not that big a stretch:  I think that Comey-- rightly or wrongly-- was led to believe that the Trump spying operation might get blown; or perhaps it was a CYA move JIC the scandal got blown wide open-- and they wanted to do this to provide a retort if they were ever challeged on the Trump spying. And you gotta admit- if that's the case: it worked.  

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 30, 2018 10:53:20 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

May 30, 2018 10:39:03 GMT -5 swamp said:

one guy to talk with the blabbermouth.  

Which is how investigations generally work.   

And which is why I think conspiracies are a bunch of hokum.  Nobody can keep their pie hole shut.  

Yep. Especially when there are people like Papadopoulos who like to get drunk in bars and blabber to people who turn out to be Australian  government employees, who become concerned enough about the 'dirt gathering from the Russians' remarks to contact the American authorities.

Too many drunken tools eager to brag about their role in shaping the destiny of the planet to strangers.

You forgot to mention that he only "blabbered" information he was FED by agent provocateur, Stefan Halper, and the "Australian government" official happened to be the Australian Ambassador to the U.S. with ties to the Clintons: thehill.com/376858-australian-diplomat-whose-tip-prompted-fbis-russia-probe-has-tie-to-clintons

All of this information has been supplied to you, but I'll remind you:

First, we know that Stefan Halper was using Sam Clovis to help connect him to Mr. Popadopolous: 
www.shiftfrequency.com/fbi-used-halper-as-agent-provocateur/
www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-campaign-vet-sam-clovis-says-informant-used-him-to-get-to-papadopoulos

…] Clovis’s theory is that Halper was trying to link Papadopoulos and the 30,000-plus emails that Hillary Clinton unilaterally deleted from her private email system. Halper was hoping “that somebody would bite in the campaign…his goal was to drag George into this to say the Trump campaign tried to get access to those emails from Russia.”

If that is what Halper was trying to do — and again, that is simply Clovis’s theory — then it didn’t work. “Nobody was biting,” Clovis told me. “As far as I know, no one in the campaign lifted a finger to get to the 30,000 emails. I don’t think it was in their interest. Anytime anybody approached me about oppo, I deleted it. Oppo research against Hillary Clinton? We had plenty of material. It’s not like it’s not a target-rich environment.”

[…] Clovis told me that in all 19 hours of questioning, no one — not Mueller’s investigators, not investigators from the House or Senate, not anyone — ever mentioned Halper. (Clovis said that, among other documents, he gave all the investigators all emails making any reference to Carter Page, so he believes he turned the Halper email over.) At the time he was questioned, of course, Clovis did not know Halper was an FBI informant.

[…] [Carter] Page mentioned on a number of occasions that he had traveled to Cambridge University, and the lawmakers, including Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff and Republican Rep. Mike Conaway, moved on to other topics.

For example, when Conaway questioned Page about who paid for his plane fare to give a speech in Moscow, Page said, “They bought me — they booked a ticket, just like Cambridge University booked a ticket for the — ”

“Okay,” said Conaway. “I don’t need Cambridge; I just need the Russians.”

At the time, it’s fair to say that no one in the room knew that Halper was an FBI informant. It was only later that the House committee’s work led to the discovery of Halper’s role.

Once connected, Halper fed Popadopolous the story that the Russians had Hillary's emails. There is no question that Halper was paid by the government as a spy inserted into the Trump campaign, he was not on the campaign and then became an informant because of things he observed which were improper-- he was the SOURCE of the Russian Hillary email story information which Mr. Popadopolous later "blabbed"... www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/05/22/anatomy-of-the-conspiracy-to-entrap-trump/

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 30, 2018 10:33:42 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

May 30, 2018 10:16:19 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I'm confused. Was there actually someone embedded, or did they just send that one guy to drink with that blabbermouth?

No one embedded, that's another Trump hyperbolic 'truth' (which means, a lie).

The DOJ hired an international policy guy (who has spent his career working for Republicans, by the way) to talk to 2 or 3 of the guys who were associated with the Trump campaign but who also had been on the DOJ radar for previous activities working closely with Russia.  The guy was not a 'spy' and did not use 'spycraft' to try to break into their laptops or read their mail - he arranged to talk to them for an hour or so, that was it.

I'm 100% certain the DOJ has done this in the past and will do it in the future if they sniff out some campaign worker with a possibly questionable motive for joining the campaign. Just like they compile dossiers on any members of far left, far right, or other types of radical organizations operating in our country, and keep tabs on where they are and what they're doing.

You're wrong about this. www.investors.com/politics/editorials/did-obama-spy-on-trump/

Despite repeated denials, the CIA and FBI were using Russian meddling in the election as an excuse to have Halper spy on the Trump campaign. A long-time CIA asset who worked for the Nixon administration, Halper was the son-in-law of former CIA Deputy Director Ray Cline, and still directs the Cambridge Security Initiative, a "non-profit" intelligence consultancy that Ross noted "lists 'UK and US government agencies' among its clients."

Halper is also a close colleague of Sir Richard Dearlove, formerly the head of Britain's MI6 spy agency.

Hmmm. Halper was the recipient of more than $400,000 in payments from the Department of Defense's Office of Net Assessment (ONA) — an internal Defense intelligence think tank — from July of 2016 to September 2017, after Halper spied on Trump campaign officials George Papadopoulos and Carter Page.

Halper's "unmasking" as the mole in Trump's campaign raises many questions.

Were those legitimate payments from ONA for past research, or was it used to pay for espionage services rendered to the Deep State? If the latter, it would be a gross violation of U.S. law.

More troubling are Halper's extensive intelligence links. As a dual U.S.-British citizen and his close ties to both British and U.S. intelligence, did he task British assets to spy on Trump?

Was Britain's government a party to this? Did it know about Crossfire Hurricane? Or that Halper was spying on the Trump campaign? If so, it would not be the act of an ally.

In addition, what role did Halper play, if any, in engaging former British MI6 Russian spy Christopher Steele? Did Halper haven anything to do with getting Russian officials to make phony claims about Trump for his "dossier" in order to taint the Trump campaign?

Far more seriously, was this coordinated from the Obama administration through the State Department, Justice Department and FBI, to aid the Clinton campaign and salvage President Obama's legacy?

As Sara Carter has reported, "The House Select Committee on Intelligence is now investigating former Secretary of State John F. Kerry's possible role into the unverified dossier paid for by the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton Campaign...The dossier, assembled by a former British spy, laid the foundation for the FBI's investigation into alleged collusion between President Trump and Russia and was the essential piece of evidence used by the FBI to get a warrant to spy on a former volunteer for the Trump campaign."

[happyhoix]

May 30, 2018 14:10:10 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

May 30, 2018 10:53:20 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Yep. Especially when there are people like Papadopoulos who like to get drunk in bars and blabber to people who turn out to be Australian  government employees, who become concerned enough about the 'dirt gathering from the Russians' remarks to contact the American authorities.

Too many drunken tools eager to brag about their role in shaping the destiny of the planet to strangers.

You forgot to mention that he only "blabbered" information he was FED by agent provocateur, Stefan Halper, and the "Australian government" official happened to be the Australian Ambassador to the U.S. with ties to the Clintons: thehill.com/376858-australian-diplomat-whose-tip-prompted-fbis-russia-probe-has-tie-to-clintons

All of this information has been supplied to you, but I'll remind you:

First, we know that Stefan Halper was using Sam Clovis to help connect him to Mr. Popadopolous: 
www.shiftfrequency.com/fbi-used-halper-as-agent-provocateur/
www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-campaign-vet-sam-clovis-says-informant-used-him-to-get-to-papadopoulos

…] Clovis’s theory is that Halper was trying to link Papadopoulos and the 30,000-plus emails that Hillary Clinton unilaterally deleted from her private email system. Halper was hoping “that somebody would bite in the campaign…his goal was to drag George into this to say the Trump campaign tried to get access to those emails from Russia.”

If that is what Halper was trying to do — and again, that is simply Clovis’s theory — then it didn’t work. “Nobody was biting,” Clovis told me. “As far as I know, no one in the campaign lifted a finger to get to the 30,000 emails. I don’t think it was in their interest. Anytime anybody approached me about oppo, I deleted it. Oppo research against Hillary Clinton? We had plenty of material. It’s not like it’s not a target-rich environment.”

[…] Clovis told me that in all 19 hours of questioning, no one — not Mueller’s investigators, not investigators from the House or Senate, not anyone — ever mentioned Halper. (Clovis said that, among other documents, he gave all the investigators all emails making any reference to Carter Page, so he believes he turned the Halper email over.) At the time he was questioned, of course, Clovis did not know Halper was an FBI informant.

[…] [Carter] Page mentioned on a number of occasions that he had traveled to Cambridge University, and the lawmakers, including Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff and Republican Rep. Mike Conaway, moved on to other topics.

For example, when Conaway questioned Page about who paid for his plane fare to give a speech in Moscow, Page said, “They bought me — they booked a ticket, just like Cambridge University booked a ticket for the — ”

“Okay,” said Conaway. “I don’t need Cambridge; I just need the Russians.”

At the time, it’s fair to say that no one in the room knew that Halper was an FBI informant. It was only later that the House committee’s work led to the discovery of Halper’s role.

Once connected, Halper fed Popadopolous the story that the Russians had Hillary's emails. There is no question that Halper was paid by the government as a spy inserted into the Trump campaign, he was not on the campaign and then became an informant because of things he observed which were improper-- he was the SOURCE of the Russian Hillary email story information which Mr. Popadopolous later "blabbed"... www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/05/22/anatomy-of-the-conspiracy-to-entrap-trump/

Such fucking pretzel logic.

[happyhoix]

May 30, 2018 14:14:03 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

May 30, 2018 10:33:42 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

No one embedded, that's another Trump hyperbolic 'truth' (which means, a lie).

The DOJ hired an international policy guy (who has spent his career working for Republicans, by the way) to talk to 2 or 3 of the guys who were associated with the Trump campaign but who also had been on the DOJ radar for previous activities working closely with Russia.  The guy was not a 'spy' and did not use 'spycraft' to try to break into their laptops or read their mail - he arranged to talk to them for an hour or so, that was it.

I'm 100% certain the DOJ has done this in the past and will do it in the future if they sniff out some campaign worker with a possibly questionable motive for joining the campaign. Just like they compile dossiers on any members of far left, far right, or other types of radical organizations operating in our country, and keep tabs on where they are and what they're doing.

You're wrong about this. www.investors.com/politics/editorials/did-obama-spy-on-trump/

Despite repeated denials, the CIA and FBI were using Russian meddling in the election as an excuse to have Halper spy on the Trump campaign. A long-time CIA asset who worked for the Nixon administration, Halper was the son-in-law of former CIA Deputy Director Ray Cline, and still directs the Cambridge Security Initiative, a "non-profit" intelligence consultancy that Ross noted "lists 'UK and US government agencies' among its clients."

Halper is also a close colleague of Sir Richard Dearlove, formerly the head of Britain's MI6 spy agency.

Hmmm. Halper was the recipient of more than $400,000 in payments from the Department of Defense's Office of Net Assessment (ONA) — an internal Defense intelligence think tank — from July of 2016 to September 2017, after Halper spied on Trump campaign officials George Papadopoulos and Carter Page.

Halper's "unmasking" as the mole in Trump's campaign raises many questions.

Were those legitimate payments from ONA for past research, or was it used to pay for espionage services rendered to the Deep State? If the latter, it would be a gross violation of U.S. law.

More troubling are Halper's extensive intelligence links. As a dual U.S.-British citizen and his close ties to both British and U.S. intelligence, did he task British assets to spy on Trump?

Was Britain's government a party to this? Did it know about Crossfire Hurricane? Or that Halper was spying on the Trump campaign? If so, it would not be the act of an ally.

In addition, what role did Halper play, if any, in engaging former British MI6 Russian spy Christopher Steele? Did Halper haven anything to do with getting Russian officials to make phony claims about Trump for his "dossier" in order to taint the Trump campaign?

Far more seriously, was this coordinated from the Obama administration through the State Department, Justice Department and FBI, to aid the Clinton campaign and salvage President Obama's legacy?

As Sara Carter has reported, "The House Select Committee on Intelligence is now investigating former Secretary of State John F. Kerry's possible role into the unverified dossier paid for by the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton Campaign...The dossier, assembled by a former British spy, laid the foundation for the FBI's investigation into alleged collusion between President Trump and Russia and was the essential piece of evidence used by the FBI to get a warrant to spy on a former volunteer for the Trump campaign."

You posted a political editorial from Investor's Business Daily, a website selling investing products based on the CAN SLIM investing system, a system that supposedly teaches you what characteristics separate the best performing stocks from the average stocks?

Do you even know what 'journalism' is?  Because you keep posting shit from non-journalistic sources as if it was anything more than one guy's opinion, typed up and posted on the internet.

I don't give a shit what this guy's opinion is, unless I want to know what stock I should invest in - but I've have to pay him for that.

Here is a tip - when trying to persuade people to come over to your way of thinking, only present them with facts. Facts they can independently fact check for themselves. Not something someone typed when he was bored of watching stocks one day.

 

[tallguy]

May 30, 2018 14:29:11 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

May 30, 2018 14:14:03 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

You're wrong about this. www.investors.com/politics/editorials/did-obama-spy-on-trump/

You posted a political editorial from Investor's Business Daily, a website selling investing products based on the CAN SLIM investing system, a system that supposedly teaches you what characteristics separate the best performing stocks from the average stocks?

Do you even know what 'journalism' is?  Because you keep posting shit from non-journalistic sources as if it was anything more than one guy's opinion, typed up and posted on the internet.

I don't give a shit what this guy's opinion is, unless I want to know what stock I should invest in - but I've have to pay him for that.

Here is a tip - when trying to persuade people to come over to your way of thinking, only present them with facts. Facts they can independently fact check for themselves. Not something someone typed when he was bored of watching stocks one day.

 

I would be less concerned about the musings of some stock-watcher than I am the fact that IBD allows right-wing or right-leaning lobbyists and PR hacks to write some of their articles.  They are not known for balance.

[happyhoix]

The earth is flat. Here is an article to prove it:

theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php/blog/einsteins-relativity-proves-earth-flat

John Davis says Einstein's Relativity proves it - so - science! It must be so.

All ya'll need to believe me.  Or you'll fall off the edge of the earth.  

[Rukh O'Rorke]

May 30, 2018 10:39:03 GMT -5 swamp said:

May 30, 2018 10:16:19 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I'm confused. Was there actually someone embedded, or did they just send that one guy to drink with that blabbermouth?

one guy to talk with the blabbermouth.  

Which is how investigations generally work.   

And which is why I think conspiracies are a bunch of hokum.  Nobody can keep their pie hole shut.  

Honestly I think any group could do a better job on keeping their mouths shut than this one.

[djAdvocate]

May 29, 2018 23:15:17 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

May 29, 2018 22:57:28 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

You don't know how anyone could believe it, and yet you believe there's a vast Trump-Russia conspiracy. I have news for you- real news- there's a helluva lot more evidence for spygate than there is for the Russia hoax. I've posted LOTS of it here. The fact that you consciously choose to ignore it explains why you don't understand those of us who've drawn the obvious conclusion.

Blogs from the Conservative Nuthouse aren't "evidence".

it also depends on what you think the Russia scandal is.  to reiterate:

1) nobody denies at this juncture that the Russians interfered in our election

2) nobody denies that they did so to benefit the president and hurt Clinton

therefore:

3) going after Clinton, the DNC, or Obama is "prosecuting the victim" vis-a-vis the election

the parties who benefitted the most from the mischief should be investigated.  that is how it is supposed to work, anyway.  anything else is, essentially, DEFENDING the criminal conduct of Russia and beneficiaries of their work here in the US. 

these facts are all undeniable.  and watch: nobody will deny them.  instead they will gin up some ALLEGED crimes which have little to no evidence as a smoke screen for the real ones.  shame on them. 

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

The behavior of the deep state is itself incriminating. But what's deeply disturbing is that the continued blatantly transparent and open criminality of the cover-up activities is so serious one wonders what makes it worth the risk? Spygate is proven. What remains is uncovering what it was really all about? My educated guess based upon intelligence guided by experience is that we're talking a level of criminality and abuse of power on the part of the Obama regime, Clinton State Department and the intelligence community that rises to the level of treason. I think everything centers around the truth about which insider stole and released the information from those DNC servers, what's in Hillary's emails-- where Hillary's emails are and that whole cover-up (c'mon- they were not all about yoga and wedding planning and they ARE NOT GONE. Someone's got them.

We know there was a conspiracy to clear Hillary of the gross negligence in her mishandling of classified information-- and we know she had a private server in the first place to conceal her ongoing, routine abuses of power. We know she defied a subpoena and committed this series of open and obvious crimes, including lying to congress because what's in those emails is far worse than anything she's done to conceal their contents.

My belief is that it's a foreign entity and MANY MANY people in our government are CURRENTLY being blackmailed with that information-- this is again, based on intelligence guided by experience. We know the FBI / DOJ et al never (to this day) examined the DNC servers. We know the information on them was likely stolen by the Pakistani hackers employed by the DNC and that blackmail is their modus operandi. We know it wasn't the Russians. And we have Julian Assange supporting the physical evidence (download rate which suggests on-site theft of data).

I think this is all VERY serious. I think the entire United States government is compromised. I think we've been infiltrated by other countries, by communists foreign and domestic, by terrorist entities and individuals. I think people across the spectrum and at the highest levels are being blackmailed right now-- and I think all of this was the result of the incompetence, naivette and outright complicity of Obama. Couple it with his penchant for operating like a tin pot dictator in some banana republic, and you've got one giant mess.

Remember: NOTHING OF THE RUSSIA COLLUSION investigation ever passed through "Five Eyes". There was no intelligence community basis for the spying and investigating. This is not disputed by anyone.

theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/05/30/trey-gowdys-recent-activity-highlights-deep-state-action-against-devin-nunes/

Trey Gowdy’s Recent Activity Highlights Deep State Action Against Devin Nunes…
Posted on May 30, 2018 by sundance
Something has become increasingly weird about the DOJ and FBI intransigence at releasing the two-page “Electronic Communication” (“EC”) that was written by CIA Director John Brennan to initiate the July 2016 FBI Counterintelligence operation against the campaign of presidential candidate Donald Trump.

The weird something is: According to CIA Director John Brennan’s May 2017 testimony he personally briefed the Gang of Eight members, including Devin Nunes, “individually” in 2016, on that origination document. As such, in 2018 Devin Nunes would only be seeking a review of a document he was already briefed on.

Now think about this.

Why would the U.S. intelligence apparatus be withholding physical documents from Devin Nunes that supposedly would contain the same information previously briefed?

It just doesn’t make sense….. unless. Well, unless, the Brennan origination document and the briefing Brennan gave to House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes, don’t match.

Which leads to another reconciliation of behavior by the administrative state. If it is indeed true the Brennan EC doesn’t match the briefing, there would have been a specific motive for entities within the usurping enterprise to remove Nunes from the origin of the ‘insurance policy‘ execution phase. Which, factually, is exactly what happened.

Removing Nunes allows the placement of a control agent. The DC process of putting a strategic political person at the center of the known risk is very familiar. Accepting the latest developments against the known activity within the ‘Spygate’ issue, it is likely that control agent was/is Trey Gowdy for all the aforementioned reasons.

Additionally, accepting U.S. Person Carter Page was used to gain a FISA warrant to conduct surveillance upon the Trump campaign, and post-election the Trump transition team, the fact that HPSCI Chairman Devin Nunes was on the transition team beginning around November 11th, 2016, likely means Nunes was under FBI and DOJ surveillance for the duration of the FISA Title-1 surveillance warrant until it expired late October 2017.

Again, think about it. Chairman Devin Nunes was presumably briefed in August/September, 2016, by the CIA Director who was facilitating the origination of contact with all foreign agents and operatives assisting in the Spygate endeavor.

A few months ago (April 2018), Chairman Devin Nunes, speaking about the origination of the counterintelligence operation, stated: “There Were No Official Intelligence Channels Used To Start Trump Investigation”. WATCH:

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Spygate deniers can't get around this:

The origin of the 2016 counterintelligence operation, which was specifically started by CIA Director John Brennan sharing his ‘raw intelligence product’ with the FBI, was not an official product of the U.S. intelligence community. According to Devin Nunes information Brennan was NOT using official partnerships with intelligence agencies of our Five-Eyes partner nations; and he did not provide raw intelligence -as an outcome of those relationships- to the FBI.

QUESTION: Then what exactly did John Brennan brief the Gang-of-Eight on?
On May 23rd, 2017, Former CIA Director John Brennan gave very specific testimony to congress where he noted he provided the raw intelligence to FBI Director Comey – FULLSTOP. We now know Stefan Halper was part of the group assembling that raw intelligence. All of it was, as Nunes outlined, “through unofficial channels”.

Listen carefully to the opening statement from former CIA Director John Brennan May 23rd, 2017, during his testimony to congress. Pay very close attention to the segment at 13:35 of this video of Brennan’s testimony:

[Opti]

I don't want to get into to the Lygate rabbit hole. Here's a link showing the subcommittees. One is for the CIA. Nunes is a known toady of Trump and has done several questionable things including excluding the Democrats and stopping the Russia investigation on his end.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Permanent_Select_Committee_on_Intelligence

In 2017, the committee was tasked along with the SSCI to determine the degree of Russian interference in 2016 US elections.[3] The committee also has been investigating allegations of wiretapping of President Donald Trump as well as ties between Russian officials and members of Donald Trump's presidential campaign.[4][5] The committee has come under intense scrutiny in 2017-2018 due to allegations of partisanship and leaks of classified information by members of the committee and their staff. In March 2018, the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 elections was abruptly ended by the committee's Republican members despite the assertion by Democratic members that the investigation was incomplete and had failed to properly go about gathering pertinent information. Notably, House Intelligence Republicans released a draft of their investigatory report which broke in some areas from the findings of the U.S. Intelligence Community and was written without the input of House Democrats.[6][7] In the wake of bitter divides in the committee's findings, House Intelligence Republican congressman Tom Rooney claimed the committee had "lost all credibility" and had become "a political forum for people to leak information to drive the day's news."[8]

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 31, 2018 8:06:05 GMT -5 Opti said:

I don't want to get into to the Lygate rabbit hole. Here's a link showing the subcommittees. One is for the CIA. Nunes is a known toady of Trump and has done several questionable things including excluding the Democrats and stopping the Russia investigation on his end.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Permanent_Select_Committee_on_Intelligence

In 2017, the committee was tasked along with the SSCI to determine the degree of Russian interference in 2016 US elections.[3] The committee also has been investigating allegations of wiretapping of President Donald Trump as well as ties between Russian officials and members of Donald Trump's presidential campaign.[4][5] The committee has come under intense scrutiny in 2017-2018 due to allegations of partisanship and leaks of classified information by members of the committee and their staff. In March 2018, the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 elections was abruptly ended by the committee's Republican members despite the assertion by Democratic members that the investigation was incomplete and had failed to properly go about gathering pertinent information. Notably, House Intelligence Republicans released a draft of their investigatory report which broke in some areas from the findings of the U.S. Intelligence Community and was written without the input of House Democrats.[6][7] In the wake of bitter divides in the committee's findings, House Intelligence Republican congressman Tom Rooney claimed the committee had "lost all credibility" and had become "a political forum for people to leak information to drive the day's news."[8]

In other news, Al Capone was not allowed to have his team contribute to the IRS investigation.

The inescapable fact is that the Democratic Party is potentially a criminal enterprise in all of this. That means Republicans have a unique duty to protect the integrity of the investigation into Democrat abuse of power and corruption of the federal government for partisan purposes.

[kadee79]

Some people's imaginations are really fantastic! 

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

So, James Comey felt it urgent to sit President Trump down and show him the fake phony dossier he knew to be bought and paid for with money laundered by the Hillary Clinton campaign through a law firm and assembled by agents of foreign governments- British and Russian that we know of, but Director Comey did NOT feel it important to warn President Trump that there could be foreign infiltrators in his campaign?

Sorry, but this is all bullshit.

They were spying.

They thought Hillary was going to win- and they became so confident in their belief that Hillary was going to win that they thought they could do whatever they wanted and Hillary would cover it up. When they lost, they had a nightmare scenario on their hands and everything that has transpired since the election to spy on and undermine Trump's election victory has been done in large part to cover their tracks.

Ben Rhodes might have been thinking "We're all fucked" on election night.


Gowdy? Crookeder than a dog's hind leg- and I've been saying this for a year now.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Time to recap where we are today-- and remind my critics they've answered, rebutted, debunked, nor refuted a single word of this. Ready? Read:

1. Two main FBI players on the case, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page didn’t just favor Clinton, they hated Trump’s guts. Among other things, he referred to Donald Trump as an idiot. Even then, Strzok said of Russia he didn’t think there was any “big there, there.”
SOURCE: USA TODAY: www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/23/fbis-peter-strzok-trump-inquiry-maybe-most-important-case-our-lives/1058808001/

One Text Strzok sent to Page reads: "I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way he gets elected — but I'm afraid we can’t take that risk. It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you're 40." (The "Andy" in question is former Deputy Director of the FBI, Andrew McCabe who was fired and has been referred by the Inspector General for criminal prosecution for lying to investigators and authorizing leaks to the media)

Other text messages reveal Strzok had a personal relationship with Obama appointed U.S. District Court Judge Rudolph Contreras who we now know approved the FISA warrants based on the fake phony Hillary Clinton bought and paid for with money laundered through a law firm and prepared by foreign government agents "dossier" also originally presided over Flynn's case before being recused.

Both were on Mueller's "Russia" team before being exposed as crusading anti-Trumpers.

Lisa Page resigned in disgrace (likely resigned in lieu of being fired): nypost.com/2018/05/05/lisa-page-fbi-agent-who-bashed-trump-in-texts-resigns/

Peter Strzok was demoted, and is likely cooperating with the IG, or AG Sessions' "outside prosecutor" John Huber in lieu of being fired and prosecuted.

You will me so far?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Time to recap where we are today-- and remind my critics they've answered, rebutted, debunked, nor refuted a single word of this. Ready? Read:

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2. The FBI attempted on at least two occasions to obtain a FISA warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, relying on the aforementioned fake phony Clinton bought and paid for dossier and they were turned down. Rabid anti-Trumper Peter Strzok with the help of his mistress, Lisa Paige planned a small dinner with his personal friend, Rudolph Contreras, one of the judges on the FISC. The next request for a warrant to spy on members of the Trump team was approved by Contrareas.


As noted previously, Contreras also presided over Special Counsel Robert Mueller's prosecution of General Flynn and accepted Flynn's plea deal. Shortly after, and before Flynn could be sentenced, Contreras was abruptly removed from the case. The story is he "recused himself", but that does not seem likely given the circumstances and the state of the investigation of the investigation at the time. Mueller has cited the "status of the probe" in requesting a delay in sentencing Flynn which the new Judge, Emmit G. Sullivan agreed to grant. Judge Sullivan has also ordered Mueller to hand over to Flynn all exculpatory evidence in his possession. Sullivan took a further extraordinary step. In case of doubt whether evidence might be helpful to Flynn, he ordered Mueller to submit it to the judge for his personal review.
In other words- submit it all, and Judge Sullivan will determine its exculpatory value. 

thehill.com/policy/national-security/374730-judicial-order-in-flynn-case-prompts-new-round-of-scrutiny

yated.com/17263-2/


Meanwhile, it is reported the FBI agents (including Strozk) who interviewed Flynn stated that he did NOT believe he had been deceptive in the interview. They did not intend to pursue him and James Comey had advised Congress of that fact. The reversal came from higher up in the DOJ: www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-comey-told-congress-fbi-agents-didnt-think-michael-flynn-lied

None of this has anything to do with my or anyone else's "imagination" 

In fact, right now the Russiagate investigation is imaginary. It's over. The Spygate actors are jockeying for the better deal and/or bunkmates in federal prison right now

Stay with me.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Time to recap where we are today-- and remind my critics they've answered, rebutted, debunked, nor refuted a single word of this. Ready? Read:



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3. The radical alt-left DNC propaganda media didn't utter a word about the didn’t report on the Clinton fake dossier because none of it could be verified. They had no "legitimate" news excuse to report on it. So, James Comey arranged to brief the president- something he's described as his "assignment" (which is odd language and has yet to be inquired about nor explained). Comey, who has since testified that they needed to spy on the Trump campaign to protect Trump from foreign agents said of the counterfeit intelligence document he knew to be bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton's campaign and assembled by British intelligence agent Christopher Steele with the help of Russian agents, "We thought it was important that he knew — and I say, 'we,' meaning all the intelligence chiefs that put together the intelligence community assessment — because we knew, and we don't want to be holding that back from the new president,".

Odd that James Comey did not feel it equally important to advise Trump of what he claims was real intelligence indicating the Russians were trying to infiltrate or had infiltrated the Trump campaign. 

Once President Trump was briefed, the dossier was given an air of legitimacy- by design- and then leaked to the press. Of course, the press led with the salacious bits about Russian prostitutes peeing on beds. 

Of course nothing in the "dossier" has been proved and we've since learned that there was NO INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY BASIS FOR THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION: 

MARIA BARTIROMO: You're telling us that in order for the FBI and DoJ to launch an investigation into so-called collusion between Trump and the Russians, there was no intelligence used? So I don't understand, how did this investigation start?

NUNES: I think that is the point. We don't understand, we've never understood. We don't have access to these finished intelligence products, and we've never seen one. We thought maybe one went through a different channel that was kept really secret... well, in fact, after our investigators reviewed this, there was no Five Eyes intelligence product, as has been reported. There was no product. And I think that is a major problem...

At the highest level, what is this about? A counterintelligence operation that was at the height of the political campaign, where you opened up an investigation, using these intelligence services to spy on the other campaign, it is really serious stuff...

I can tell you we now longtime associates of Hillary Clinton, including Sidney Blumenthal and Corey Shearer, were actively giving information to the State Dept. that was making its way to the FBI... So we know this was at least from two witnesses, and so we're trying to piece all that together.

There was no official intelligence that was used to start this investigation, we know that Sidney Blumenthal and others wee pushing information into the State Department.

www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/04/22/devin_nunes_on_origins_of_fbis_russia_probe.html

[Opti]

I've refuted, you are just using Trump's playbook and denying truth.

Its odd you keep posting as if Trump wasn't warned about Russians wanting to infiltrate his campaign in his first briefing as the GOP candidate. The fact that Trump and his GOP enablers apparently did nothing of value with that info in regards to his campaign, does not make them look good. Or clean.

There's a saying, when you point a finger at someone, three fingers are pointing back at you.

[Virgil Showlion]

May 31, 2018 23:04:09 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Mr. DeSantis is asking the same questions I'd ask and making the same assertions I'd make.

For the love of sweet snowy leopards, Mr. Comey et al., admit the operation was about Pres. Trump. Rip the Band-Aid off all at once.

Rep. Goudy and YMAM holdouts: you'll reap what you sow. One day soon, FBI Director X or Pres. Y is going to unleash the US intelligence beast to "protect" and destroy the candidate you support, without oversight, based on a shady and hopelessly conflicted operation, and when you rightly cry 'Abuse!', the resounding answer will be: "We're doing exactly what Americans expect us to do: protect America."

Do you expect the Conservative Tree House will be running headlines, "Spygate 2.0! Republicans Have Gone Too Far"?

I didn't think so.

They'll be the ones wringing their hands, opining that everything was done in good faith for the good of the American people, it's unpatriotic to assert otherwise. If not for you, the administration will act with impunity. But how can you rail against abuse of power then if you're eager to tolerate it now? Who will take you seriously?

America doesn't need this kind of "protection". America needs light, transparency, and forthrightness in government, now more than ever.

[djAdvocate]

May 31, 2018 20:53:48 GMT -5 kadee79 said:

Some people's imaginations are really fantastic! 

yeah, and who says conservatives can't be creative! 

[happyhoix]

America doesn't need this kind of "protection". America needs light, transparency, and forthrightness in government, now more than ever.

I agree.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fact-checker-president-trump-has-made-3251-false-or-misleading-claims-in-497-days/ar-AAy5VMf

Unfortunately, 'light, transparency and forthrightness' is not something we will be able to get from this administration.

[Opti]

"YMAM holdouts: you'll reap what you sow. One day soon, FBI Director X or Pres. Y is going to unleash the US intelligence beast to "protect" and destroy the candidate you support, without oversight, based on a shady and hopelessly conflicted operation, and when you rightly cry 'Abuse!', the resounding answer will be: "We're doing exactly what Americans expect us to do: protect America.""

Virgil, you've drunk the koolaid. Guess who was first told about possible Russian interference because the intelligence said it was coming? I'll give you a hint, it was before both candidates won their respective parties. The DNC was told to expect hacking, and they ignored it. They were later told information on the networks was being sent back to Russia from their computers. Nothing. Then Podesta was hacked.

Did the DNC paint themselves as victims of the FBI or whatever agency? No. But they did share one thing with Trump's campaign, the unwillingness to act on intelligence they were given. That doesn't make either of them victims. Just stupid. Possibly knowingly stupid.

 The intelligence community was trying to protect US interests which *shock!* included both campaigns. And perhaps you can point me to where Trump was destroyed. Because what I see is a whiny duplicitious man who won the Presidency. His guilty cohorts were taken down after he became President, therefore not hurting his ability to win. Contrast this with vague comments about potential new Hillary emails 10 days before the election. There was some destruction, but it wasn't on Donald.

[djAdvocate]

Possibly knowingly stupid.

what does THAT mean?

[Opti]

Jun 1, 2018 12:22:35 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Possibly knowingly stupid.

what does THAT mean?

Doing something stupid, knowing it might bite you in the ass.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 1, 2018 9:58:51 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

May 31, 2018 23:04:09 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Mr. DeSantis is asking the same questions I'd ask and making the same assertions I'd make.

For the love of sweet snowy leopards, Mr. Comey et al., admit the operation was about Pres. Trump. Rip the Band-Aid off all at once.

Rep. Goudy and YMAM holdouts: you'll reap what you sow. One day soon, FBI Director X or Pres. Y is going to unleash the US intelligence beast to "protect" and destroy the candidate you support, without oversight, based on a shady and hopelessly conflicted operation, and when you rightly cry 'Abuse!', the resounding answer will be: "We're doing exactly what Americans expect us to do: protect America."

Do you expect the Conservative Tree House will be running headlines, "Spygate 2.0! Republicans Have Gone Too Far"?

I didn't think so.

They'll be the ones wringing their hands, opining that everything was done in good faith for the good of the American people, it's unpatriotic to assert otherwise. If not for you, the administration will act with impunity. But how can you rail against abuse of power then if you're eager to tolerate it now? Who will take you seriously?

America doesn't need this kind of "protection". America needs light, transparency, and forthrightness in government, now more than ever.

I don't know what the CTH people would say. I'd like to think that they, like me, would be warning-- as I have been since W's whole "Patriot Act" came into being-- that we need to seriously reign in government.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 1, 2018 12:14:53 GMT -5 Opti said:

"YMAM holdouts: you'll reap what you sow. One day soon, FBI Director X or Pres. Y is going to unleash the US intelligence beast to "protect" and destroy the candidate you support, without oversight, based on a shady and hopelessly conflicted operation, and when you rightly cry 'Abuse!', the resounding answer will be: "We're doing exactly what Americans expect us to do: protect America.""

Virgil, you've drunk the koolaid. Guess who was first told about possible Russian interference because the intelligence said it was coming? I'll give you a hint, it was before both candidates won their respective parties. The DNC was told to expect hacking, and they ignored it. They were later told information on the networks was being sent back to Russia from their computers. Nothing. Then Podesta was hacked.

Did the DNC paint themselves as victims of the FBI or whatever agency? No. But they did share one thing with Trump's campaign, the unwillingness to act on intelligence they were given. That doesn't make either of them victims. Just stupid. Possibly knowingly stupid.

 The intelligence community was trying to protect US interests which *shock!* included both campaigns. And perhaps you can point me to where Trump was destroyed. Because what I see is a whiny duplicitious man who won the Presidency. His guilty cohorts were taken down after he became President, therefore not hurting his ability to win. Contrast this with vague comments about potential new Hillary emails 10 days before the election. There was some destruction, but it wasn't on Donald.

This post is worth saving. We shall revisit it.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

As I've said repeatedly, the Trump-Russia investigation is a cover-up operation, and it is effectively over. 
www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/05/26/the_maltese_phantom_of_russiagate_.html

You will have to actually click the link and read the article below because it's full of VERY interesting observations-- and mind you-- NONE of what is written here is in dispute. If Mifsud is a Russian agent, he's one of the most pernicious spies to ever infiltrate the United States. Yet there has been zero public outcry from the Russiagate conspiracy theorists, and no official calls for his arrest. To me this is the biggest dog that didn't bark in the whole spygate scandal. 

The Maltese Phantom Of Russiagate

In the shifting narratives of the Trump-Russia probe, a Maltese academic named Joseph Mifsud has remained a linchpin regarding claims of collusion. He is the professor who allegedly told Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos that the Russians had emails related to the Clinton campaign. The FBI says it opened its investigation in late July 2016 after Papadopoulos relayed that information to Australian diplomat Alexander Downer, and the Australians tipped off U.S. authorities.

While some news accounts describe Mifsud as an accomplice to Russian clandestine operations or a “cut-out” (intermediary), others contend he is a full-fledged Russian spy.

In an official report, Democrats on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence asserted that “in their approach to Papadopoulos, the Russians used common tradecraft and employed a cut-out,” a “Kremlin-linked…Maltese professor named Joseph Mifsud.”

No one in the American intelligence community has publicly challenged this description.

But there is one major problem with this story: No evidence has been presented to support the claim. Although Mifsud has traveled many times to Russia and has contacts with Russian academics, his closest public ties are to Western governments, politicians, and institutions, including the CIA, FBI and British intelligence services. One of Mifsud’s jobs has been to train diplomats, police officers, and intelligence officers at schools in London and Rome, where he lived and worked over the last dozen years.

theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/06/01/the-maltese-fulcrum-dan-bongino-discusses-latest-developments-in-spygate/

Fox News Contributor Dan Bongino discusses the latest developments in the ongoing Spygate scandal. The focus of attention is now upon Joseph Misfud: