Virgil Showlion
Distinguished Associate
Moderator
[b]leones potest resistere[/b]
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 15:19:33 GMT -5
Posts: 27,448
|
Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 14, 2018 20:15:00 GMT -5
By the way, DOJ reviewed the Dem memo two weeks before it was submitted to Trump and had the dems redact what needed redacting, which the Dems did.
DOJ did not issue a warning to Trump about releasing the Dem memo, like they did with the GOP memo, stating potential national security problems.
Then Trump suddenly became ultra-safety conscious and wouldn't release the Dem memo, when he was giddy with delight to release the GOP memo, even when the DOJ asked him not to.
Makes it hard to stick to the 'poison pill' theory, but I have no doubt, some of us will cling to that theory to the death.
Unfortunately we can't say "DOJ" as though it were a house undivided these days. Who at the DOJ reviewed the memo and approved its release? Remember that when "the FBI and DOJ" objected to the release of the GOP memo, it was Mr. Rosenstein and Mr. Wray--two men implicated in the same. Now that it's out, there doesn't seem to be any evidence their concerns were justified. Granted: if the somebodies at the DOJ who signed off on releasing the Democratic memo include both a senior Republican and senior Democrat, I see no reason why Pres. Trump can't release the memo (barring genuine concern for compromising FBI methods, which I don't think he has). If it turns out to contain a poison pill that turns into a new scandal, he can lay the blame on Rep. Schiff and the Democrat who approved it, and placate the GOP by firing the senior Republican. The Democrats would try to spin it as "He should have known better." since Schiff is too big to throw under the bus, but it wouldn't work. A small part of me (maybe channeling Paul) is wondering whether this is a gambit on the part of Pres. Trump. He insists the Democratic memo can't be released. The media make a fuss, speculating out loud for a few weeks all the terrible revelations the memo contains. When they've whetted the public's appetite sufficiently, Pres. Trump "bows to pressure" and releases the memo, which contains a few juicy tidbits but not enough to live up to the hype. A day later, the GOP releases its next salvo, the revelations in the Schiff memo look even less significant by comparison, and the GOP owns the narrative going forward. Let's put it this way: I predict the Democratic memo will ultimately come out without major revisions. If it turns out to contain some truly damning revelations about Pres. Trump, or blows a gaping hole in the various GOP releases, so be it. If it doesn't come out or comes out heavily redacted, I'll buy that Pres. Trump is hiding something. But if my prediction is correct and the memo comes out, if it contains nothing but some juicy tidbits, not only will I reasonably conclude Pres. Trump wasn't hiding anything, I'll conclude his delaying was strategic. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
|
|
thyme4change
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 26, 2010 13:54:08 GMT -5
Posts: 40,726
|
Post by thyme4change on Feb 14, 2018 20:50:06 GMT -5
These memos...who are the informing - Is it just the general population? Or is someone with any amount of power supposed to do some action based on them?
Is this just marketing?
|
|
Virgil Showlion
Distinguished Associate
Moderator
[b]leones potest resistere[/b]
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 15:19:33 GMT -5
Posts: 27,448
|
Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 14, 2018 20:58:47 GMT -5
These memos...who are the informing - Is it just the general population? Or is someone with any amount of power supposed to do some action based on them? Is this just marketing? It's a war for the collective public heart and mind. The Democrats hope to convince voters Pres. Trump is corrupt, unfit for office, etc., leading to midterm gains and political capital needed to impeach him. The Republicans hope to convince voters Pres. Obama and establishment Democrats are corrupt, criminal, etc., leading to midterm gains and political capital needed to clean house and marginalize the opposition.
|
|
tallguy
Senior Associate
Joined: Apr 2, 2011 19:21:59 GMT -5
Posts: 14,511
|
Post by tallguy on Feb 14, 2018 21:13:27 GMT -5
By the way, DOJ reviewed the Dem memo two weeks before it was submitted to Trump and had the dems redact what needed redacting, which the Dems did.
DOJ did not issue a warning to Trump about releasing the Dem memo, like they did with the GOP memo, stating potential national security problems.
Then Trump suddenly became ultra-safety conscious and wouldn't release the Dem memo, when he was giddy with delight to release the GOP memo, even when the DOJ asked him not to.
Makes it hard to stick to the 'poison pill' theory, but I have no doubt, some of us will cling to that theory to the death.
Unfortunately we can't say "DOJ" as though it were a house undivided these days. Who at the DOJ reviewed the memo and approved its release? Remember that when "the FBI and DOJ" objected to the release of the GOP memo, it was Mr. Rosenstein and Mr. Wray--two men implicated in the same. Now that it's out, there doesn't seem to be any evidence their concerns were justified. Granted: if the somebodies at the DOJ who signed off on releasing the Democratic memo include both a senior Republican and senior Democrat, I see no reason why Pres. Trump can't release the memo (barring genuine concern for compromising FBI methods, which I don't think he has). If it turns out to contain a poison pill that turns into a new scandal, he can lay the blame on Rep. Schiff and the Democrat who approved it, and placate the GOP by firing the senior Republican. The Democrats would try to spin it as "He should have known better." since Schiff is too big to throw under the bus, but it wouldn't work. A small part of me (maybe channeling Paul) is wondering whether this is a gambit on the part of Pres. Trump. He insists the Democratic memo can't be released. The media make a fuss, speculating out loud for a few weeks all the terrible revelations the memo contains. When they've whetted the public's appetite sufficiently, Pres. Trump "bows to pressure" and releases the memo, which contains a few juicy tidbits but not enough to live up to the hype. A day later, the GOP releases its next salvo, the revelations in the Schiff memo look even less significant by comparison, and the GOP owns the narrative going forward. Let's put it this way: I predict the Democratic memo will ultimately come out without major revisions. If it turns out to contain some truly damning revelations about Pres. Trump, or blows a gaping hole in the various GOP releases, so be it. If it doesn't come out or comes out heavily redacted, I'll buy that Pres. Trump is hiding something. But if my prediction is correct and the memo comes out, if it contains nothing but some juicy tidbits, not only will I reasonably conclude Pres. Trump wasn't hiding anything, I'll conclude his delaying was strategic. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Bear in mind though that if the Nunes memo were legitimate and an accurate accounting of things there likely would have been no Democratic memo to be concerned with now. It is only because Nunes is in Trump's back pocket (or somewhere VERY close) and attempted to at the very least "shape" if not outright corrupt the discussion that we have this current issue over releasing the second memo.
|
|
dezii
Distinguished Associate
Joined: May 18, 2017 14:26:36 GMT -5
Posts: 20,671
|
Post by dezii on Feb 15, 2018 3:20:17 GMT -5
These memos...who are the informing - Is it just the general population? Or is someone with any amount of power supposed to do some action based on them? Is this just marketing? It's a war for the collective public heart and mind. The Democrats hope to convince voters Pres. Trump is corrupt, unfit for office, etc., leading to midterm gains and political capital needed to impeach him. The Republicans hope to convince voters Pres. Obama and establishment Democrats are corrupt, criminal, etc., leading to midterm gains and political capital needed to clean house and marginalize the opposition. The reality of impeaching a President is almost nil...to replace him in a election is another thing... That the country elected such a known flawed individual and one who so many still agree with his doings is mind boggling and the majority of the worlds democracy's...and these democracies are led by seasoned politicians who have seen most everything political in their lives must almost be unbelievable..almost 200 years of Democratic happenings and since 1918 one of the leaders of the world, down the drain in less then a year..un f believable.
|
|
thyme4change
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 26, 2010 13:54:08 GMT -5
Posts: 40,726
|
Post by thyme4change on Feb 15, 2018 8:53:56 GMT -5
It's a war for the collective public heart and mind. The Democrats hope to convince voters Pres. Trump is corrupt, unfit for office, etc., leading to midterm gains and political capital needed to impeach him. The Republicans hope to convince voters Pres. Obama and establishment Democrats are corrupt, criminal, etc., leading to midterm gains and political capital needed to clean house and marginalize the opposition. The reality of impeaching a President is almost nil...to replace him in a election is another thing... That the country elected such a known flawed individual and one who so many still agree with his doings is mind boggling and the majority of the worlds democracy's...and these democracies are led by seasoned politicians who have seen most everything political in their lives must almost be unbelievable..almost 200 years of Democratic happenings and since 1918 one of the leaders of the world, down the drain in less then a year..un f believable. Most countries don't really last very long. We seemed successful for awhile, but now I'm wondering if the USA is Icarus, and we are approaching the sun.
|
|
happyhoix
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Oct 7, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 21,455
|
Post by happyhoix on Feb 15, 2018 9:21:39 GMT -5
By the way, DOJ reviewed the Dem memo two weeks before it was submitted to Trump and had the dems redact what needed redacting, which the Dems did.
DOJ did not issue a warning to Trump about releasing the Dem memo, like they did with the GOP memo, stating potential national security problems.
Then Trump suddenly became ultra-safety conscious and wouldn't release the Dem memo, when he was giddy with delight to release the GOP memo, even when the DOJ asked him not to.
Makes it hard to stick to the 'poison pill' theory, but I have no doubt, some of us will cling to that theory to the death.
Unfortunately we can't say "DOJ" as though it were a house undivided these days. Who at the DOJ reviewed the memo and approved its release? Remember that when "the FBI and DOJ" objected to the release of the GOP memo, it was Mr. Rosenstein and Mr. Wray--two men implicated in the same. Now that it's out, there doesn't seem to be any evidence their concerns were justified. Granted: if the somebodies at the DOJ who signed off on releasing the Democratic memo include both a senior Republican and senior Democrat, I see no reason why Pres. Trump can't release the memo (barring genuine concern for compromising FBI methods, which I don't think he has). If it turns out to contain a poison pill that turns into a new scandal, he can lay the blame on Rep. Schiff and the Democrat who approved it, and placate the GOP by firing the senior Republican. The Democrats would try to spin it as "He should have known better." since Schiff is too big to throw under the bus, but it wouldn't work. A small part of me (maybe channeling Paul) is wondering whether this is a gambit on the part of Pres. Trump. He insists the Democratic memo can't be released. The media make a fuss, speculating out loud for a few weeks all the terrible revelations the memo contains. When they've whetted the public's appetite sufficiently, Pres. Trump "bows to pressure" and releases the memo, which contains a few juicy tidbits but not enough to live up to the hype. A day later, the GOP releases its next salvo, the revelations in the Schiff memo look even less significant by comparison, and the GOP owns the narrative going forward. Let's put it this way: I predict the Democratic memo will ultimately come out without major revisions. If it turns out to contain some truly damning revelations about Pres. Trump, or blows a gaping hole in the various GOP releases, so be it. If it doesn't come out or comes out heavily redacted, I'll buy that Pres. Trump is hiding something. But if my prediction is correct and the memo comes out, if it contains nothing but some juicy tidbits, not only will I reasonably conclude Pres. Trump wasn't hiding anything, I'll conclude his delaying was strategic. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I don't think Trump thinks that deeply.
He loved the Nunes memo because it cherry picked information that made it look as if there is a conspiracy against him. The Dem memo, from what I understand, does not have any big 'bombshell' information, it just fills in the rest of the supporting information that the Nunes memo left out, showing that Nunes (or whoever wrote the memo) crafted a deliberately deceptive memo to toady to Trump and the far right, and Trump doesn't want the public to see ALL the information, only what Nunes carefully carved out and set on the plate for them to see.
Some members of the board think Trump is a genius. I think he's as deep as a stagnant wading pool, and he hopes the American public is just as shallow in their reading and comprehension skills as he is.
|
|
Virgil Showlion
Distinguished Associate
Moderator
[b]leones potest resistere[/b]
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 15:19:33 GMT -5
Posts: 27,448
|
Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 15, 2018 10:07:45 GMT -5
Some members of the board think Trump is a genius. I think he's as deep as a stagnant wading pool, and he hopes the American public is just as shallow in their reading and comprehension skills as he is. That's the inherent value of this Democratic memo standoff. Depending on what's in the memo when it comes out, it will serve as evidence either toward the "Trump is a tactical genius" theory or toward the "Trump is a hapless fool drifting with the tide" theory. I'm leaning towards believing the memo is a "nothingburger" mainly because I have a hard time believing, with the deluge of anti-Trump leaks we've seen from every level of every agency over the past year, that it wouldn't have leaked by now if it contained anything truly damning. But this isn't a prediction I'll hang my hat on.
|
|
happyhoix
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Oct 7, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 21,455
|
Post by happyhoix on Feb 15, 2018 10:19:23 GMT -5
Some members of the board think Trump is a genius. I think he's as deep as a stagnant wading pool, and he hopes the American public is just as shallow in their reading and comprehension skills as he is. That's the inherent value of this Democratic memo standoff. Depending on what's in the memo when it comes out, it will serve as evidence either toward the "Trump is a tactical genius" theory or toward the "Trump is a hapless fool drifting with the tide" theory. I'm leaning towards believing the memo is a "nothingburger" mainly because I have a hard time believing, with the deluge of anti-Trump leaks we've seen from every level of every agency over the past year, that it wouldn't have leaked by now if it contained anything truly damning. But this isn't a prediction I'll hang my hat on. I agree I don't think there's anything damning - which makes it even more incomprehensible that Trump would block it being released.
He should just let it get out and let the GOP scoff at it.
But I also think he should shut up about the DOJ and the Mueller investigation and wait until the thing is over and the findings released. There may be no 'there' there at all, and he's bloviating for nothing.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 76,342
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Feb 15, 2018 13:18:06 GMT -5
The GOP claimed days ago that Rep. Schiff deliberately "poison pilled" the Democratic memo, including facts about sources and methods he knew couldn't reasonably be published. Whether or not you believe this, Paul does, hence in his view, Schiff's refusal to revise the memo is tantamout to barring its release. ...Just in case everyone wasn't on the same page. But wasn't it also unanimously recommended by the House Intelligence Committee which is probably more than half Republican? Hence why we never believe anything coming from either this White House or your boy's sources. None have a reputation for truth, or even half-truth in many cases. ZeroTruth
|
|
AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 11:59:07 GMT -5
Posts: 31,709
Favorite Drink: Sweetwater 420
|
Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 15, 2018 16:28:14 GMT -5
There's nothing illegal about doing business with Russians that I'm aware of. Trump is an international real estate mogul worth billions of dollars. Odds are pretty good you're going to find a connection to foreign businesses. I realize a lot of people got their panties in a wad over Trump's JOKE that "maybe the Russians could find" Hillary's emails- which was a direct reference to the false claim that Hillary Clinton's illegal unsecured server could not have been hacked. Watch this video- which opens with President Obama lying about his knowledge of Hillary Clinton's illegal private unsecured email server used to evade laws requiring the preservation of all official communication, and prohibitions against removing classified materials from secure government servers. After he lies about not knowing about the email server he communicated on with her using a pseudonym, President Obama States he can guarantee Hillary Clinton won't be treated any differently. When you watch this-- do you regard Obama's statements to the effect that Hillary Clinton did nothing to jeopardize national security-- as equally serious? As in, like a directive to the FBI? That's they way Joe Scarborough read it. He's hardly a Trump fan. Just curious if you have the same standard about Obama's public statements? I regard anything about Obama and Clinton as not critically important right now because it deals with a former president and a formal presidential candidate who are no longer in positions of power. Whether or not he lied about knowing about the server doesn't impact our country at this moment (although I'm sure there are people in the DOJ who are investigating this, and if something illegal happened, people will be prosecuted. Trump is loading the DOJ up with his people).
What does impact our country at this moment is whether Trump or his campaign worked with the Russians during the last election. We've already seen how that may be impacting our country by Trump's refusal to impose additional sanctions on the Russians - a country that attempted to swing our election with fake news.
I'm eagerly awaiting the conclusion of the Mueller investigation, I'm just concerned that, on the off chance that Mueller does discover something noteworthy, the RW media has done such a great job drumming up anger and skepticism against Mueller and the DOJ that the Trump minority will dismiss the findings out of hand. Good thing they're the Trump minority.
The treason is ongoing. We have just discovered that Comey had a secret meeting with Obama before President Trump's inauguration. The purpose of that meeting is obvious: they were colluding in the "investigation"-- and trying to figure out a way for Obama & company to continue being kept in the loop on their surveillance of the Trump team.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 76,342
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Feb 15, 2018 17:40:10 GMT -5
"We have just discovered that Comey had a secret meeting with Obama before President Trump's inauguration."
aka "while he was still president?"
yeah. not seeing much smoke there. but OOOOOOOOOOOOH! it was a SEEEEEEEEECRET!!! like all of those dealings with Russia before, during and after the Trump campaign was over.
|
|
billisonboard
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:45:44 GMT -5
Posts: 38,172
|
Post by billisonboard on Feb 15, 2018 18:18:39 GMT -5
“President Obama had a brief follow-on conversation with FBI Director Comey and Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates in the Oval Office,” Rice wrote in an email written the day before the inauguration.
...
“I spoke alone with President Obama twice in person (and never on the phone) – once in 2015 to discuss law enforcement policy issues and a second time, briefly, for him to say goodbye in late 2016,” Comey’s opening statement read.
|
|
thyme4change
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 26, 2010 13:54:08 GMT -5
Posts: 40,726
|
Post by thyme4change on Feb 15, 2018 21:37:34 GMT -5
Due process.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 64,372
|
Post by Tennesseer on Feb 15, 2018 23:03:48 GMT -5
"We have just discovered that Comey had a secret meeting with Obama before President Trump's inauguration." aka "while he was still president?" yeah. not seeing much smoke there. but OOOOOOOOOOOOH! it was a SEEEEEEEEECRET!!! like all of those dealings with Russia before, during and after the Trump campaign was over. It was another Daily Caller BOMBSHELL according to the article title: BOMBSHELL: Comey Held Secret Obama White House Meeting Before The Inauguration
|
|
happyhoix
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Oct 7, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 21,455
|
Post by happyhoix on Feb 16, 2018 8:28:26 GMT -5
So are all one on one meetings secret now?
I guess I have secret meetings with my boss every week. How exciting.
|
|
happyhoix
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Oct 7, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 21,455
|
Post by happyhoix on Feb 16, 2018 8:35:36 GMT -5
Meanwhile, back in the actual world, another one of Trump's campaign workers is close to making a plea deal with Mueller.
thehill.com/policy/national-security/374146-gates-close-to-plea-deal-with-mueller-in-russia-probe-report
He might have gotten a 'queen for a day' opportunity for a deal. One wonders what he exchanged for that opportunity.
This makes four former campaign advisors who have been charged with crimes, if I'm not mistaken.
How unfortunate for Trump that he, a totally innocent man, ended up running a campaign crammed full of criminals.
|
|
happyhoix
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Oct 7, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 21,455
|
Post by happyhoix on Feb 16, 2018 11:14:03 GMT -5
Oh look, another mistress has popped up. And she explains Trump's method of covering his tracks with mistresses - get his buddy David Pecker (oh, the irony of his name) at AMI to give the mistress a contract for the exclusive rights to her personal story, then sit on it. The mistress can't legally tell her story anyplace else, and AMI will never run it. Trump did it so often they had a name for it - 'catch and kill.' www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/donald-trump-a-playboy-model-and-a-system-for-concealing-infidelity-national-enquirer-karen-mcdougal
Also - no paper trail. She paid for her own travel and he reimbursed her. Sounds like someone who had a lot of experience keeping his mistresses on the down low.
Again, this will cause nothing more than an eye roll and a sigh - except maybe with female voters, who, like me, might be getting tired of a president who only sees women in two ways - as sex objects or too ugly to be sex objects.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Sept 18, 2024 18:09:40 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 11:19:35 GMT -5
Oh look, another mistress has popped up. And she explains Trump's method of covering his tracks with mistresses - get his buddy David Pecker (oh, the irony of his name) at AMI to give the mistress a contract for the exclusive rights to her personal story, then sit on it. The mistress can't legally tell her story anyplace else, and AMI will never run it. Trump did it so often they had a name for it - 'catch and kill.' www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/donald-trump-a-playboy-model-and-a-system-for-concealing-infidelity-national-enquirer-karen-mcdougal
Also - no paper trail. She paid for her own travel and he reimbursed her. Sounds like someone who had a lot of experience keeping his mistresses on the down low.
Again, this will cause nothing more than an eye roll and a sigh - except maybe with female voters, who, like me, might be getting tired of a president who only sees women in two ways - as sex objects or too ugly to be sex objects. Yet another narcissist trait - unfaithful and using sex as a weapon. "Narcissists tend to be control freaks. Seducing someone into having sex is also a form of control. The more difficult the woman to get, the more power and control he feels. " www.passioninlove.com/how-narcissist-uses-sex-as-weapon/
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 76,342
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Feb 16, 2018 11:41:34 GMT -5
"i was on her like a bitch"
|
|
ken a.k.a OMK
Senior Associate
They killed Kenny, the bastards.
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 14:39:20 GMT -5
Posts: 14,219
Location: Maryland
|
Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Feb 16, 2018 11:44:21 GMT -5
"And she was married." Does he get extra points for that?
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 76,342
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Feb 16, 2018 11:57:12 GMT -5
"And she was married." Does he get extra points for that? this is what truly infantile men, bullies, and narcissists brag about. it is no more "locker room talk" than gangster rap is "small talk".
|
|
Virgil Showlion
Distinguished Associate
Moderator
[b]leones potest resistere[/b]
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 15:19:33 GMT -5
Posts: 27,448
|
Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 16, 2018 12:02:34 GMT -5
Not that I don't love a good bit of gossip about adultery, but what do Pres. Trump's mistresses have to do with the thread topic?
|
|
happyhoix
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Oct 7, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 21,455
|
Post by happyhoix on Feb 16, 2018 12:22:01 GMT -5
Not that I don't love a good bit of gossip about adultery, but what do Pres. Trump's mistresses have to do with the thread topic? Nothing. It just gets old starting a new thread every time another bit of shit escapes from under a rock.
I'm Trump-tired, and yet I don't want to become immune to the outrage, so I guess this has become the general whining thread.
|
|
thyme4change
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 26, 2010 13:54:08 GMT -5
Posts: 40,726
|
Post by thyme4change on Feb 16, 2018 14:03:09 GMT -5
Oh look, another mistress has popped up. And she explains Trump's method of covering his tracks with mistresses - get his buddy David Pecker (oh, the irony of his name) at AMI to give the mistress a contract for the exclusive rights to her personal story, then sit on it. The mistress can't legally tell her story anyplace else, and AMI will never run it. Trump did it so often they had a name for it - 'catch and kill.' www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/donald-trump-a-playboy-model-and-a-system-for-concealing-infidelity-national-enquirer-karen-mcdougal
Also - no paper trail. She paid for her own travel and he reimbursed her. Sounds like someone who had a lot of experience keeping his mistresses on the down low.
Again, this will cause nothing more than an eye roll and a sigh - except maybe with female voters, who, like me, might be getting tired of a president who only sees women in two ways - as sex objects or too ugly to be sex objects. I wonder if we will get all the stories once Trump dies, and pecker is on his own with volumes of juicy stories that will bring him a truckload of money.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 76,342
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Feb 16, 2018 15:57:23 GMT -5
Not that I don't love a good bit of gossip about adultery, but what do Pres. Trump's mistresses have to do with the thread topic? secrecy. lying. imprudence. lack of honor. you know, the same stuff that would lead one to conspire to win an election through any means necessary.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Sept 18, 2024 18:09:40 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 16:28:42 GMT -5
So, Paul, we see some indictments just came out PROVING Russian meddling in our election. Going to blame that on Obama and Clinton, or would you prefer to backpedal?
|
|
happyhoix
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Oct 7, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 21,455
|
Post by happyhoix on Feb 16, 2018 16:35:55 GMT -5
No, the pro-Trump forces will do what Trump has already done- they will say this is PROOF that no one in the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians, because Mueller did not indict anyone from the Trump campaign. This is 100% about what Russians did (and I think there is one American in there, but he wasn't on the Trump campaign.)
To which I will reply 1) So suddenly Trump is finally admitting that the Russians DID try to influence our campaign in favor of the GOP? Up until 3 days ago Trump kept insisting that never happened (because Putin said he didn't do it), and 2) True, this indictment did not indict any Trump advisors, but this indictment was specifically about the Russians that ran the troll farms, and is NOT the end of the Mueller investigations - so let's just see what comes next, up until Mueller says 'ok folks, that's it.'
I wonder if Congress should go ahead and send another batch of sanctions through, and dare Trump to refuse to sign them a second time?
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Sept 18, 2024 18:09:40 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 17:09:21 GMT -5
No, the pro-Trump forces will do what Trump has already done- they will say this is PROOF that no one in the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians, because Mueller did not indict anyone from the Trump campaign. This is 100% about what Russians did (and I think there is one American in there, but he wasn't on the Trump campaign.)
To which I will reply 1) So suddenly Trump is finally admitting that the Russians DID try to influence our campaign in favor of the GOP? Up until 3 days ago Trump kept insisting that never happened (because Putin said he didn't do it), and 2) True, this indictment did not indict any Trump advisors, but this indictment was specifically about the Russians that ran the troll farms, and is NOT the end of the Mueller investigations - so let's just see what comes next, up until Mueller says 'ok folks, that's it.'
I wonder if Congress should go ahead and send another batch of sanctions through, and dare Trump to refuse to sign them a second time?
CNN reported the indictment says the Russians and "other people currently being investigated" meddled in the election. They are reporting this isn't all the indictments and it sounds like some Trump connections are coming. All we can do is wait and see, but I would bet they are. Don Jr. and/or Kershner would be my bets.
|
|
AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 11:59:07 GMT -5
Posts: 31,709
Favorite Drink: Sweetwater 420
|
Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 16, 2018 17:26:05 GMT -5
Rosenstein stated there are not only no Americans involved, but that the Russian trolls they indicted went to great lengths to conceal the fact they were behind any of it by appearing as American political activists.
So, today we learned-- after more than a year and untold millions of dollars that...wait for it....people on the internet aren't always who they appear to be. Well, SHAZAM!
See my post on the endgame. This is an escape attempt. This is an exit strategy. No one connected to Mueller is proud of this investigation- that's why they announced this on a Friday in the wake of a mass murder.
One could say Drudge exaggerated it for clicks- but I think he exaggerated it to keep them from hiding it. The Mueller probe is officially a JOKE.
Our government hired Mueller like an amateur real estate rehabber hires a contractor.
The project has no defined scope, and no deadline.
The contractor is always telling you stuff is happening, but when you stop by- ain't shit done.
I get the feeling that recently someone- perhaps President Trump- has called up this contractor and said, "OK, I'm stopping by the house today. I want to see where we're at".
And Mueller looking around at the rubble found a back bedroom he could carpet and paint in a few hours to show off.
|
|