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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 12:48:11 GMT -5
Correct. An individual YMer would have to be a narcissist to think this post was about them specifically. i was speaking for the sensible majority, not just for myself. and you are in no position to criticize narcissism, imo. Ain't that the truth.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 10, 2018 12:48:33 GMT -5
I post substance. Liberal YMers ignore, obfuscate, parse, spin, deflect-- anything but address the substance of my posts. I suspect because I might as well be writing in martian. Lefties here are so deep in the LW echo chamber they don't even know my posts are real- that the information contained in them is the news of the day. That they are reality. That this is happening.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Feb 10, 2018 12:58:08 GMT -5
There is reality then there is the world you live in. What makes you think we don't read your RW posts and make up our own minds without insulting you? you won't change minds here and the lefties you insult won't change your mind. You should go where you'll be appreciated.
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Post by Opti on Feb 10, 2018 18:28:56 GMT -5
trump picks and vets only the best. linkI think she found another job and left before Trump could fire the people above her and she'd been in his cross hairs next for firing.
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Post by Opti on Feb 10, 2018 19:35:20 GMT -5
I just skimmed this, but as a story its pretty weak especially since shortly after the election many people were saying Trump only won because Hillary was the other option and if it had been someone else Trump would not have won. So ... it appears the big argument is that the FBI and DOJ kept Hillary in play. The only thing in the timeline as a stumbling block to Trump is Trump giving up Page who was only on one minor committee that met once.
This is the big reveal on stopping Trump from winning the election?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 10, 2018 21:34:00 GMT -5
I post substance. Liberal YMers ignore, obfuscate, parse, spin, deflect-- anything but address the substance of my posts. I suspect because I might as well be writing in martian.
yes. you post substance. the substance is bullshit.
and yes, we ignore it. because those of us who have been around as long as me know it is bullshit.
and yes, we won't address it, because what would be the point? it just encourages more bullshit.
and yes, you might as well be writing in martian, a made-up language for your bullshit.
i could be a little kinder here and point out that most of it is not your bullshit. you actually go down to the bullshit factory and scoop out that bullshit, then package and distribute it through your bullshit franchise(s). i know because i have researched some of your claims and found the very bull from which the shit came many times. i stopped doing that 14 months ago. my days have been more productive in exact proportion to the effort i once made for you.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 10, 2018 22:52:30 GMT -5
Kim Strassel nails it:
1) Why isn't the (mostly) unredacted Grassley memo front page news? Here's why: Because it confirms the Nunes memo and blows up the Schiff talking points (which the media ran with).
2)It is confirmation that the FBI's FISA application relied on the dossier and a news article, and worse, on the credibility of a source in the employ of the Clinton campaign. 3) It is proof that the FBI did not tell the Court the extraordinarily partisan provenance of the dossier.
4) It provides evidence that the FBI presented the FISA Court with materially false evidence, in the claim that Steele had not talked to the press. And then shows that even after Steele admitted under oath that he had, the FBI did not tell the FISA Court in its renewal.
5) It provides evidence that Steele was getting information from the Clinton team itself! Via the State Department! So now, not only do we have a dossier based on unnamed shady Russians, but on Sidney Blumenthal. How much of this was engineered by the Clinton campaign from
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Feb 10, 2018 23:00:20 GMT -5
Paul give it up. How many people have to either ignore you or call you out on your outrageous posts before you stop? I thought you said you were smart.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 10, 2018 23:00:29 GMT -5
I post substance. Liberal YMers ignore, obfuscate, parse, spin, deflect-- anything but address the substance of my posts. I suspect because I might as well be writing in martian.yes. you post substance. the substance is bullshit. and yes, we ignore it. because those of us who have been around as long as me know it is bullshit. and yes, we won't address it, because what would be the point? it just encourages more bullshit. and yes, you might as well be writing in martian, a made-up language for your bullshit. i could be a little kinder here and point out that most of it is not your bullshit. you actually go down to the bullshit factory and scoop out that bullshit, then package and distribute it through your bullshit franchise(s). i know because i have researched some of your claims and found the very bull from which the shit came many times. i stopped doing that 14 months ago. my days have been more productive in exact proportion to the effort i once made for you. Bottom line: there's absolutely no reason I should pay any attention to your posts. Like others on the left, you have chosen to isolate yourself from any and all discussion which does not supply the confirmation bias on which the fragile remains of what passes for sanity depend. I honestly don't know what's happened to the left. I suppose years of circle jerks telling each other how intelligent they are and insulated by a sycophantic fanboy press has made them soft. I used to agree 100% with most on the left on this issue: right to privacy. The threat of an invasive surveillance state. Opposition to the patriot act...but it's all fine now because they were only trying to stop Trump and the high moral aim such as that- well, of course the ends justify the means.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Feb 10, 2018 23:02:55 GMT -5
Hint Paul, it isn't the left, it's thinking people who don't agree with you.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 10, 2018 23:05:04 GMT -5
There's so much happening-- so fast- that I almost forgot to add this to this thread-- a thread which will soon be looked upon as the greatest repository of information on the biggest scandal in modern political history-- and the worst abuse of power perhaps ever. At least for those of us here on YMAM. And it's my pleasure to work to keep this thread updated:
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 10, 2018 23:21:10 GMT -5
At about 2:30, Chris Stewart gives the game away. The CTH analysis is SPOT ON, as usual...
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I post substance. Liberal YMers ignore, obfuscate, parse, spin, deflect-- anything but address the substance of my posts. I suspect because I might as well be writing in martian.yes. you post substance. the substance is bullshit. and yes, we ignore it. because those of us who have been around as long as me know it is bullshit. and yes, we won't address it, because what would be the point? it just encourages more bullshit. and yes, you might as well be writing in martian, a made-up language for your bullshit. i could be a little kinder here and point out that most of it is not your bullshit. you actually go down to the bullshit factory and scoop out that bullshit, then package and distribute it through your bullshit franchise(s). i know because i have researched some of your claims and found the very bull from which the shit came many times. i stopped doing that 14 months ago. my days have been more productive in exact proportion to the effort i once made for you. Glad you were able to escape the bullshit and reclaim your time.
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Post by Opti on Feb 11, 2018 7:19:49 GMT -5
There's so much happening-- so fast- that I almost forgot to add this to this thread-- a thread which will soon be looked upon as the greatest repository of information on the biggest scandal in modern political history-- and the worst abuse of power perhaps ever. At least for those of us here on YMAM. And it's my pleasure to work to keep this thread updated: You posted this already. Maybe not on this thread? But it is a red herring since he was just looking to talk to Steele so all the other contacts of the lobbyist are unimportant because he was only looking to talk to Steele. Which is pretty reasonable if you want to vet the dossier and/or Steele.
Attempted misdirection fail for Trump. Nothing important in this post. It is not the biggest scandal ever. It however might be the dumbest scandal put forth by Trump and his enablers since Pizzagate. Because at the heart of it, its about Hillary still being the Democratic candidate instead of Biden or someone with less RW baggage. Its a OMG narrative with a real unwinnable point in the middle of it - if Hillary had not run, Trump would have won against whomever and life would have been good.
Are there problems in various federal organizations including the WH? Yes! No President who has won in the past has made everything about the candidate that lost and people he wanted to blame for supporting her so long into their Presidency. Its year two, its time to focus on a legacy instead of being a toddler scared of getting punishment.
How dirty is Trump to keep smearing shit at past foes? He's told so many lies few can keep track. Both him and Carter Page deny knowing each other, but there's this nice photograph of them at the same meeting.
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Post by Opti on Feb 11, 2018 7:27:55 GMT -5
Oh, and the OP must have a huge misunderstanding of what treason is to put it in the thread title and feel any of the actions thus far would fall into that category. Its not like Clinton went on TV and begged a foreign power to hack Trump's emails or bug his phone.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 11, 2018 9:57:11 GMT -5
Having said this, flash back to August 2015 and quite a few of your comments come pretty darn close to "Donald Trump is never going to be the GOP nominee" and "Donald Trump is never going to win the general election" although you never use this phraseology. Likewise, in this thread. I won't quote you since you don't like me pulling statements out of context. thank you, board historian, but i am quite aware of what i said. the odds were very much against Trump, and i made it clear i was against his candidacy. but not only could i NEVER rule it out, at a certain juncture it became VERY clear to me that he stood a good chance of winning. i even said sometime in either November or December of 2015 that "i don't see what could stop him". see if you can find THAT phrase too, if you have any interest in fairness. i doubt you do. Suppose the following: against all odds, the US government repays all creditors in full by 2021 and is debt-free. You and I are still chatting on P/CE occasionally, and I'm bemoaning Canada's federal debt, which is still astronomical. "Don't say it will never be paid off," you say. "Remember you said the US debt would never be paid off." "I never said that." "Right here <source> and here <source>. You don't use the word 'never', but you say it's ridiculously unlikely." "Not fair!" I cry. "At a certain juncture it became very clear to me that it would be paid off. See here <source> in June 2020 when it was already 75% paid off. I said, 'At this rate, I guarantee you it will be paid off within a year of Pres. Trump starting his third term.' If you had any interest in fairness, you'd point that out too." "I'm being perfectly fair," you reply. "The fact that you were a believer in June 2020 a posterori doesn't erase the reality of your skepticism in earlier times. We still had to live through that." "I suppose you're right," I say. "And who am I to question the impossible these days? I mean: who'd've thunk you'd wind up becoming a fan of Pres. Trump?" "I know, right? I can't wait for his third term to start. #MAGA" The moral of the story: never say never. The impossible happens every day.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 11, 2018 10:05:50 GMT -5
There's so much happening-- so fast- that I almost forgot to add this to this thread-- a thread which will soon be looked upon as the greatest repository of information on the biggest scandal in modern political history-- and the worst abuse of power perhaps ever. At least for those of us here on YMAM. And it's my pleasure to work to keep this thread updated: Enough with the understatement. Let's see a truly bold prediction.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 11, 2018 22:18:45 GMT -5
Someone here said "We always knew Hillary / DNC paid for the dossier". That person was lying, or misinformed. There will be much more review to come. If posters here want to call what I pos, "bullshit", and posters here can stand by for Rock Solid irrefutable correction. Review time: The State Department Spox: the Steele dossier was never used for FISA application. theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/11/2017-state-department-spox-the-steele-dossier-was-never-used-for-fisa-application/It’s always an interesting exercise to take new and confirmed information and go back to see the claims from the key stakeholders when the initial trail of the information was discovered. This is one such example from July 2017. Now that Chairman Devin Nunes, Chuck Grassley and the key players themselves, have discovered and admitted the U.S. State Department was heavily involved in passing along Clinton opposition research to Chris Steele to create the “Clinton-Steele Dossier”, it’s interesting to look at how the former State Department spokesperson -in place during all the events- responded last year when the Clinton-Steele Dossier was thought to be part of the underlying evidence for the DOJ/FBI FISA application. Former State Department spokesperson Marie Harf, a person in direct and continuous contact with all the principle agents during the 2016 information flow, was confronted in July 2017 and adamantly denied the dossier was part of the FISA application. WATCH:
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 11, 2018 22:34:07 GMT -5
262nd change.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 23:19:37 GMT -5
Each change makes it more true? lol
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Post by tallguy on Feb 12, 2018 0:18:58 GMT -5
Each change makes it more true? lol More like the Telephone Game, where it becomes ever more absurd.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 12, 2018 6:57:37 GMT -5
Each change makes it more true? lol Oh, no it's not repetition. If you actually READ my last post-- I provided an example of how each Democratic Party denial has eventually been refuted. By the way- are you listening to the deafening sounds of what Democrats are NOT saying about the Shiff memo? They're not saying it refutes the Nunes memo. They're not saying it's a "bombshell"...they're not saying these things because it's a smokescreen. They have NOTHING.
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Post by Opti on Feb 12, 2018 7:26:01 GMT -5
I agree with DJ, I don't think its all that important who paid for the dossier. Also, since no one has leaked the actual application for a FISA warrant(s) we really don't know how important the dossier was. I don't even know if there was one warrant to cover wiretapping Page and Manafort or two individual warrants. Do Trump and his supporters really want part of their message to be we don't care about money laundering for foreign powers, here, look, someone we hate, ignore Trump's activities especially if they are criminal.
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Each change makes it more true? lol Oh, no it's not repetition. If you actually READ my last post-- I provided an example of how each Democratic Party denial has eventually been refuted. By the way- are you listening to the deafening sounds of what Democrats are NOT saying about the Shiff memo? They're not saying it refutes the Nunes memo. They're not saying it's a "bombshell"...they're not saying these things because it's a smokescreen. They have NOTHING. If the 10 page memo is 'nothing' as you claim, why has Trump refused to release it?
Don't blow any smoke about 'national security.' The dems gave their 10 page memo to the DOJ for them to review and redact as needed two weeks ago. Plus Trump released Nune's memo, even when the DOJ expressly told him NOT to. The only reason Trump won't release it is it refuted, item by item, everything Nunes claims in his memo, and Trump apparently can't risk even a single person reading the Dem memo and realizing everything in Nunes' memo is horseshit.
Which goes back to my main, big question that I asked you twice, point blank - and which you've refused to answer both times: If Trump is completely innocent, as he claims, and if this whole Mueller investigation is nothing but a witch hunt, why won't Trump just sit back, let Mueller do his investigations and then announce to the world that Trump is spotlessly clean? Why the unprecedented full frontal attack against our own intelligence services, if there is nothing for Mueller to find?
I know you're not going to answer me because there is no logical reason for Trump to behave this way, unless he's guilty of something. There is no other reasonable explanation for his behavior.
But you won't respond to this third request, either, because you always ignore the questions that you can't answer with some kind of frenzied anti-Clinton spin. Which is why I so rarely bother to respond to your posts anymore. It's like shouting into a deaf man's ear.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 12, 2018 9:22:38 GMT -5
Great minds...
Oh, and new policy- if you haven't specifically addressed the substance of any of my posts, I won't be reading yours. Enjoy conversing with yourself.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 12, 2018 9:30:48 GMT -5
Oh, no it's not repetition. If you actually READ my last post-- I provided an example of how each Democratic Party denial has eventually been refuted. By the way- are you listening to the deafening sounds of what Democrats are NOT saying about the Shiff memo? They're not saying it refutes the Nunes memo. They're not saying it's a "bombshell"...they're not saying these things because it's a smokescreen. They have NOTHING. If the 10 page memo is 'nothing' as you claim, why has Trump refused to release it?
It's a political stunt. Notice they're not denying (as the GOP did) that it contains sources and methods which will have to be redacted. They did it to force this situation to come about so they could keep it as a talking point, while not discussing any of the details.
Don't blow any smoke about 'national security.' The dems gave their 10 page memo to the DOJ for them to review and redact as needed two weeks ago. Plus Trump released Nune's memo, even when the DOJ expressly told him NOT to. The only reason Trump won't release it is it refuted, item by item, everything Nunes claims in his memo, and Trump apparently can't risk even a single person reading the Dem memo and realizing everything in Nunes' memo is horseshit.
See first comment. The nunes memo-- which incredibly remains unrefuted (as in, not even an attempt), was substantive and did not release sources and methods nor harm national security as Democrats claimed it would before declaring it a "nothingburger" (I guess not realizing that this discredits all the pre-release hysteria on their part?).
Which goes back to my main, big question that I asked you twice, point blank - and which you've refused to answer both times: If Trump is completely innocent, as he claims, and if this whole Mueller investigation is nothing but a witch hunt, why won't Trump just sit back, let Mueller do his investigations and then announce to the world that Trump is spotlessly clean? Why the unprecedented full frontal attack against our own intelligence services, if there is nothing for Mueller to find?
Third time answering this: Because he's clearly not inclined to do so. And nothing obligates him to do so. No one is "attacking" the corrupt intelligence services. Just pointing out the ways in which they've discredited themselves. We're WAAAAAAAY past defending the DOJ and FBI's handling of the Clinton email probe and their direct involvement (along with the State Department) in the Steele dossier / FISA court fraud. It happened. Everyone that said it happened was completely correct. All that's left is to deal with the matter: prosecute those involved.
I know you're not going to answer me because there is no logical reason for Trump to behave this way, unless he's guilty of something. There is no other reasonable explanation for his behavior.
Yeah, of course you're right. Because nobody under a cloud of suspicion would have any reasonable incentive to point out the corruption being laid bare in the law enforcement agency casting the shadow over them. I mean, who wouldn't sit quietly by while being maligned by obvious hoodlums?
But you won't respond to this third request, either, because you always ignore the questions that you can't answer with some kind of frenzied anti-Clinton spin. Which is why I so rarely bother to respond to your posts anymore. It's like shouting into a deaf man's ear.
I responded EACH time- this being the third time. And though not word for word- essentially the same answer.
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