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Post by dezii on Dec 14, 2017 17:51:39 GMT -5
"may have??"...not acceptable...imho, ""If that ************ wins, we'll all hang from nooses!""...link please Not sure why you're addressing this to me, but, for your consideration: The original report states that Ms. Clinton "went off" on NBC's Matt Lauer after a pre-election interview. He supposedly asked her a question that hadn't been on the list of questions sent to her by NBC for approval, and she reamed him out within earshot of NBC production staff, one or whom anonymously disclosed her behaviour via e-mail. As with most of the mud flying around in 2016, the claim is impossible to confirm or refute, hence plausibility lies in the eye of the beholder. Didn't mean to answer u...meant Paul...u somehow got caught up there...sorry...but feel if can't prove, no links, just hearsay....we all can go off on that type of accusations...u did hear about the Donald and his son on that camping trip alone on that Island in Canada...supposed to be fishing for Salmon but......
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 14, 2017 17:56:41 GMT -5
...if can't prove, no links, just hearsay....we all can go off on that type of accusations... You're absolutely right. And some of us do. Four times a day, seven days a week, every week since June 2016. In a new thread for every single accusation. Ain't the Internet grand.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 14, 2017 18:14:51 GMT -5
What is the point of this thread? I'm not even sure what you are trying to discuss. Why do you care? We all know your stand in politics. Get over it.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 14, 2017 18:17:41 GMT -5
...if can't prove, no links, just hearsay....we all can go off on that type of accusations... You're absolutely right. And some of us do. Four times a day, seven days a week, every week since June 2016. In a new thread for every single accusation. Ain't the Internet grand. The internet is grand. It is the left wing participants who muck it up
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Post by dezii on Dec 14, 2017 18:28:22 GMT -5
You're absolutely right. And some of us do. Four times a day, seven days a week, every week since June 2016. In a new thread for every single accusation. Ain't the Internet grand. The internet is grand. It is the left wing participants who muck it up Ahhh the left wing yet again Olie....... ......
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Post by dondub on Dec 14, 2017 18:35:30 GMT -5
So much for Lauer.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 14, 2017 18:45:26 GMT -5
...if can't prove, no links, just hearsay....we all can go off on that type of accusations... You're absolutely right. And some of us do. Four times a day, seven days a week, every week since June 2016. In a new thread for every single accusation. Ain't the Internet grand. Hence the rules about the limits you can post on politics then current events. Seems to not “get it” though.
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Post by dondub on Dec 14, 2017 18:50:55 GMT -5
The internet was grand. The Net Neutrality vote will completely screw that up. Once again the Repos have put big business ahead of We The People.
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Post by Opti on Dec 14, 2017 19:07:38 GMT -5
"may have??"...not acceptable...imho, ""If that ************ wins, we'll all hang from nooses!""...link please Not sure why you're addressing this to me, but, for your consideration: The original report states that Ms. Clinton "went off" on NBC's Matt Lauer after a pre-election interview. He supposedly asked her a question that hadn't been on the list of questions sent to her by NBC for approval, and she reamed him out within earshot of NBC production staff, one or whom anonymously disclosed her behaviour via e-mail. As with most of the mud flying around in 2016, the claim is impossible to confirm or refute, hence plausibility lies in the eye of the beholder. Correct. An anonymous email with no corroborating evidence could just be a planted smear which happened to Hillary. Similar I am sure is happening to Trump. I ignore most of the whispers from the WH and he's acting like X stuff, because unless its verified, its impossible to know if its true. Wiser I think to stick to the stuff that makes it to the news, that has multiple people reporting on it, multiple witnesses. There is enough on both politicians, that no one needs to resort to unverified anonymous stuff.
It could be as useful and real as Hillary Clinton's predicted death that never happened. Caveat Emptor.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 14, 2017 19:34:28 GMT -5
Not sure why you're addressing this to me, but, for your consideration: The original report states that Ms. Clinton "went off" on NBC's Matt Lauer after a pre-election interview. He supposedly asked her a question that hadn't been on the list of questions sent to her by NBC for approval, and she reamed him out within earshot of NBC production staff, one or whom anonymously disclosed her behaviour via e-mail. As with most of the mud flying around in 2016, the claim is impossible to confirm or refute, hence plausibility lies in the eye of the beholder. Correct. An anonymous email with no corroborating evidence could just be a planted smear which happened to Hillary. Similar I am sure is happening to Trump. I ignore most of the whispers from the WH and he's acting like X stuff, because unless its verified, its impossible to know if its true. Wiser I think to stick to the stuff that makes it to the news, that has multiple people reporting on it, multiple witnesses. There is enough on both politicians, that no one needs to resort to unverified anonymous stuff.
It could be as useful and real as Hillary Clinton's predicted death that never happened. Caveat Emptor.
Alas, a story "that makes it to the news, that has multiple people reporting on it, [and has] multiple witnesses" became considerably less redoubtable in 2017. Having said this, I still trust professional news outlets more than bloggers and vloggers citing anonymous e-mails, a priori. This in spite of the fact that there may be little difference between the pros and the amateurs aside from an overworked editor. The public flight to alternative media is decimating the old Fourth Estate. Staff cutbacks in 2017 hurt a lot of big names, and the staff being let go were the non-essentials like editors, researchers, and fact checkers. This will only lead to further deterioration. Ultimately there will be nowhere left to turn for full, objective reporting on contemporary issues. Which leads me again to my earlier conclusion: we should all get very comfortable with aggregation and meta-analysis. I truly hope this board will continue to serve as a useful tool in this capacity.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 17, 2017 1:06:12 GMT -5
It hasn't gotten better for the FBI and DOJ since I posted this.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 22, 2017 11:40:00 GMT -5
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 22, 2017 13:20:26 GMT -5
This is actually a remarkably thorough and well-put-together timeline.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 23, 2017 0:50:47 GMT -5
And things are worse since I posted the timeline.
James Baker, under criminal investigation for leaking classified information since last summer, has now been relieved by Wray-- and we're getting a clearer picture as to why: he is the likely source of the "dossier" leak.
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In the last 48 hours, the Attorney General of The United States has opened investigations into aid and comfort to Hezbollah re: Iran nuclear arms enablement deal; Uranium One; and is pushing for (which means it'll happen) a fresh Clinton Foundation probe.
Buckle up, Dems. It's going to be a long, cold winter.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 23, 2017 0:56:15 GMT -5
This is actually a remarkably thorough and well-put-together timeline. What I'm intending to do here is to prepare our liberal / Democratic friends for the coming shit storm. The last 48 hours has seen some extraordinary activity from the DOJ- the likes of which we have not seen since Watergate. And it's got zip, zero, nada to do with President Trump colluding with Russians.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 27, 2017 9:18:23 GMT -5
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Post by mroped on Dec 27, 2017 9:30:18 GMT -5
Buckle up, Dems. It's going to be a long, cold winter. If the republicans pass another joke of a law like they just did then yeah, it’s gonna be a long, cold winter especially for people on Medicare, children on CHIP and people that make less than a couple hundred Ks a year. It seems that those that make $1million or above have been reclassified as the “middle class”
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 27, 2017 11:39:03 GMT -5
The internet was grand. The Net Neutrality vote will completely screw that up. Once again the Repos have put big business ahead of We The People. I swear to god (whom i do not believe it, so a pretty meaningless statement) ever since the rule was repealed, Netflix takes so long to load, I want to scream. And some days Hulu is absolutely unwatchable due to slow load speed. I really don't think they immediately started slowing Netflix down, but the coincidence is real.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 27, 2017 12:36:56 GMT -5
This is actually a remarkably thorough and well-put-together timeline. I've been impressed with the detail and thoroughness in some of these timelines. Don't always agree with the conclusions but it's nice to have someone else dive into all the documents. We've been watching the news on one of Canada's major networks: CTV. Their coverage of the Mueller investigation and everything spun out of it is an embarrassment. "Pres. Trump is on the ropes. No Russian links yet to him personally, but it's only a matter of time. He falls asleep at night trembling in fear at what Mueller will uncover. His Muscovite staff are dropping like flies at the walls of Baghdad. ..." Not a word about any of the actual developments in the past four months. Their "Top Tech Story of 2017" was how Russia stole the US election with their 100K purchase of Facebook ads. Unlike the US networks, CTV doesn't even bother hedging with words like "influenced" or "impacted". During the commercial breaks, they have the gall to run news promos where the anchors make statements like "Truth is our currency; it's what we're built on. Without it, we have nothing." Thank you, CTV. The good news is that I agree with one of the two statements. The sad thing is that they weren't nearly this bad even as recently as five years ago. They were bad, but not "we just don't care anymore" bad.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 27, 2017 14:46:57 GMT -5
I find it annoying that they overweight the effect of 100k worth of Facebook ads while downplaying the billions of advertising they gave to Trump for free. I also find it interesting that so few people are aware of how many bots are out there - up to 15% of Twitter profiles. So when fake news goes viral it has help. The must-watch clip of 2017 was Nigel Farage speaking to the European Parliament about their revolting hypocrisy. If you haven't already seen it: If there was any justice in the world, news agencies would be required to play this video once for every five seconds of Russian collusion hysteria they broadcast during the year. This would be more than generous to them. We are, after all, comparing $100K to $18 billion.
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Post by dezii on Dec 27, 2017 15:35:43 GMT -5
Have to ask u , regarding the Clintons, when does it end...how many millions was spent investigating them so far and zilch found...even to the point of the chief prosecutor, Ken Star, APOLOGIZING to them for his and Republicans in Congress doings...They had their chance, they found nada...Hell , investigate me and I am a nobody and u would find sh*t I am not proud of..[remember I did serve in a shooting war] Yet in your mind, and now we have the Donald in office, and to u he is as clean as newly fallen snow, yet the Clintons u want to continue and continue...yet the Donald, a investigation under way by a guy all say a man of the highest principals...respected by all...a war hero..fairest of the fair..yet u refuse to come to his defense yet when it comes to the Clintons...u want what. Spend another $70 million..?? ---------------------------------------- www.salon.com/2002/03/13/ray_3/www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123653000
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 28, 2017 15:15:35 GMT -5
It is good that half the country will be dismayed and saddened when the investigation's outcome is disappointing. They will catch up to the other half that is still amazed and angered that the multiple investigations of the Clintons bore no fruit.
Maybe none of these people are as corrupt as we believe.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Dec 28, 2017 15:30:26 GMT -5
Nah they'll move on to claiming it was all a massive cover up by the Trump Murder machine. You'd think with all the people the Clintons have supposedly killed to get ahead they would have made sure to bump off the people who knew about her emails.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 28, 2017 16:20:53 GMT -5
It is good that half the country will be dismayed and saddened when the investigation's outcome is disappointing. Is there anyone left who has faith in the investigators? If they find something big, I suppose one or both sides will have to believe in the competency of Mr. Mueller and his team. If they find nothing at all, I guarantee you nobody is going to conclude it's because nothing exists to be found--and this isn't altogether unreasonable.
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 28, 2017 17:16:15 GMT -5
It is good that half the country will be dismayed and saddened when the investigation's outcome is disappointing. Is there anyone left who has faith in the investigators? If they find something big, I suppose one or both sides will have to believe in the competency of Mr. Mueller and his team. If they find nothing at all, I guarantee you nobody is going to conclude it's because nothing exists to be found--and this isn't altogether unreasonable. I have faith in the investigators, but I also know that there are smart, crafty people on both sides who can hide things. Not in a "murder the guy who knows too much" way but more of a "we didn't know for sure who deep throat was for a few decades" way. The story is never as neat and clear cut as in the movies.
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 28, 2017 17:48:16 GMT -5
Nah they'll move on to claiming it was all a massive cover up by the Trump Murder machine. You'd think with all the people the Clintons have supposedly killed to get ahead they would have made sure to bump off the people who knew about her emails. Julian Assange has been hinting that that is exactly what happened. That Seth Rich gave WikiLeaks the emails and was murdered for it. Luckily, that theory has been around for a while. He doesn't have to offer any proof or even any evidence. He can just ride on what many people already believe. I don't find Assange very trustworthy, and he gets something out of "hinting" at that, so I'm not sure there is truth unless he can give us even a little bit of evidence.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 28, 2017 18:03:13 GMT -5
I admit it would be nice to have a giant video camera in the sky to shed light in the darkness sometimes.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 29, 2017 18:25:08 GMT -5
It is good that half the country will be dismayed and saddened when the investigation's outcome is disappointing. Is there anyone left who has faith in the investigators?If they find something big, I suppose one or both sides will have to believe in the competency of Mr. Mueller and his team. If they find nothing at all, I guarantee you nobody is going to conclude it's because nothing exists to be found--and this isn't altogether unreasonable. No rational person thinks the FBI leadership nor much of the DOJ has any credibility left whatsoever. DOJ has until January 3rd to comply with subpoenas... theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/12/28/intelligence-committee-chairman-devin-nunes-gives-doj-until-january-3rd-to-produce-documents/
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 29, 2017 18:37:12 GMT -5
Buckle up, Dems. It's going to be a long, cold winter. If the republicans pass another joke of a law like they just did then yeah, it’s gonna be a long, cold winter especially for people on Medicare, children on CHIP and people that make less than a couple hundred Ks a year. It seems that those that make $1million or above have been reclassified as the “middle class” It has gotten to the point where discussing actual facts is pointless, so I'll refrain from correcting you. What difference, at this point, does it make to people like you?
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