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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Dec 13, 2017 17:41:00 GMT -5
You mean on this topic, or in general? Because I don't know if you're representative of Trump supporters, but your accuracy rate is really taking a hit lately. Moore lost and HRC lives, seemingly Parkinson's-free. And looking pretty fabulous, I must say. She did her spiel on the Alabama election and girlfriend looking good!
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Dec 13, 2017 17:43:47 GMT -5
Wow. Well, I forgot how out of the loop the denizens of the liberal echo chamber are... And now we know... #1) …exactly why the White Hats are selectively preparing the larger U.S. electorate in advance of the 1.2 million documents which will outline the background of the Inspector General’s year-long investigation into the politicization of the FBI and DOJ. The recent IG releases of information, Agent Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr and Nellie Ohr; to include FBI Agent Peter Strzok’s text messages with FBI Lawyer Lisa Page; are strategically sequenced -and timed- in their public release. The information drop today, which includes the text messages, reveals the bigger plot: (click link) theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/12/13/and-now-we-know/#2) …. And now we know why Andrew McCabe cancelled his scheduled appearance on Capitol Hill yesterday. He didn’t have an “Ohr” problem, he had a larger conspiracy issue that he was likely to be questioned about, and someone tipped him off. After McCabe’s cancellation the IG office distributed the text messages to the full House. #3) …. And now we know why Nellie Ohr, Fusion GPS contract employee and wife of Associate DOJ Deputy Bruce Ohr, began using a HAM radio when the operation against candidate Donald Trump was conceived. Nellie Ohr was hired by Fusion-GPS to specifically work on the Trump project and coordinate with MI6 Agent Christopher Steele. The Steele Dossier would later become the underlying evidence behind the application for the FISA warrant to wiretap Donald Trump and being electronic surveillance. #4) ….And now we know, so far, on the FBI side of the conspiracy, the years-long IG investigation has captured FBI Agent Strzok, FBI Attorney Lisa Page, and FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe. I don't see where Mr. Mueller fits into this. Based on the article, the conspiracy leading all the way to Mr. Comey and Ms. Clinton is still speculative. Still, you've managed to pique my curiosity with respect to these agents. Time will tell if the smoke leads to a fire. I think you've mistaken the dust kicked up on a gravel road for smoke. That was sense whizzing by and leaving town.
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Post by Rob Base 2.0 on Dec 13, 2017 17:46:48 GMT -5
EVERY LAST THING Trump AND HIS SUPPORTERS THOUGHT WAS TRUE IS 100% VERIFIED. EVERY. lAST. THING.
I know this is true because it is all caps!!! (well, except for the letter "l" in "lAST".......now, after thinking on it, I doubt whether it's true because, after analyzing it, it really is NOT all caps......if it's not all caps, I guess it's not true........Paul, you lost the argument.... all because of one missing capital "L"......
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Dec 13, 2017 17:53:22 GMT -5
Bannon promised to work for Trump when he left the WH. He's at Breitbart. Is it possible he and Trump are concerned Trump or Jr. or someone from the administration will be charged with Treason? Is this a pre-emptive don't look here strike courtesy of Bannon and the shit spinners?
You all obviously missed the festivities today. If I said 10,000 text messages-- would any of you even know what I'm referring to? If I said 10,000 maniacs, would you know what I was referring to?
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Post by Opti on Dec 13, 2017 18:32:30 GMT -5
It's worth reading conservative sources though to get a full picture. The liberal ones are just reporting the texts that Strzok called Trump an idiot. The conservative ones are reporting the texts where he talks about what communication they can use that won't be monitored to talk about Clinton. Its worth reading more sources, I agree. I found most conservative sources have slanted and edited Hillary emails and other things in the past, so I do not expect them to give me a full unbiased picture. YMMV.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 13, 2017 18:35:19 GMT -5
EVERY LAST THING Trump AND HIS SUPPORTERS THOUGHT WAS TRUE IS 100% VERIFIED. EVERY. lAST. THING. So, climate change IS a hoax invented by the Chinese?
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 13, 2017 18:38:59 GMT -5
Bannon promised to work for Trump when he left the WH. He's at Breitbart. Is it possible he and Trump are concerned Trump or Jr. or someone from the administration will be charged with Treason? Is this a pre-emptive don't look here strike courtesy of Bannon and the shit spinners?
You all obviously missed the festivities today. If I said 10,000 text messages-- would any of you even know what I'm referring to?Why, yes! It refers to Trump's late-night, poorly-spelled and bullying tweets, where he lashes out at the whole world while sitting on the toilet.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 13, 2017 18:44:23 GMT -5
It's not an entirely unmerited label. I'd say roughly half of the "red meat for the right" articles I come across never make it onto YMAM. This is one of the reasons I appreciate Paul's contributions. He's the chief importer of right-of-center perspectives for discussion and criticism. Actually I think its an unmerited label. Its like saying if a bunch of athletes for example get together and talk about sports from the professional aspect instead of a fan aspect its a professional athlete echo chamber. That's incorrect. Its simply what those people talk about. A real echo chamber is when folks refuse to hear and acknowledge things from outside their worldview. The ones that only watch FOX or maybe read nothing but the NY Times and fiction.
This is not a liberal echo chamber. This is the politics board and only a few of us actually bring articles to discuss. Really you should be blaming yourself for not shouldering the conservative cause and bringing thoughtful conservative articles here to discuss. I've seen a few posted here. They usually are posted by the folks in the middle or a left leaning poster who found it interesting enough to bring here. The conservatives on the board should try to step up. Read from good smart conservative sources. Post them here and ask us to discuss a point or two.
I chip in articles and perspectives every once in a while. The thread about the suicide machines from last week was one of mine. Your analogy about the athletes is flawed. The group is discussing one aspect of a domain (sports) comprising many complementary aspects. An echo chamber is characterized by a group discussing several aspects of a domain (US politics, in our case) where several perspectives exist on each aspect but one perspective is extremely dominant. A sports analogy would be a fan club devoted to the New England Patriots where most or all members reviled competing franchises. Paul's "liberal echo chamber" comment followed his observation that nobody here (including me) was aware of the news item in the OP. The implication is "If YMAM wasn't a liberal echo chamber, many of you would surely have heard of and discussed this news by now." The "echo chamber" designation is subjective. Where I agree with him is that 95% of all political message boards out there would have featured the news in the OP long before we first saw it here.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 13, 2017 18:49:48 GMT -5
It's worth reading conservative sources though to get a full picture. The liberal ones are just reporting the texts that Strzok called Trump an idiot. The conservative ones are reporting the texts where he talks about what communication they can use that won't be monitored to talk about Clinton. Exactly. The need to aggregate news from many sources with conflicting agendas and perspectives has never been more important than today. At least for readers interested in piecing together the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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Post by Opti on Dec 13, 2017 18:56:25 GMT -5
Remember Virgil, Paul brings and promotes a lot of nonsense that gets debunked. I'm not doing BS right now, not even looking at. Your choice on what you want to do. "Paul's "liberal echo chamber" comment followed his observation that nobody here (including me) was aware of the news item in the OP. The implication is "If YMAM wasn't a liberal echo chamber, many of you would surely have heard of and discussed this news by now.""
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Post by dondub on Dec 13, 2017 18:59:32 GMT -5
If Paul is so opposed to treason he should remove the Reagan quote from his avatar CV. Does the October Surprise or Iran~Contra ring a bell? Maybe he was in a right wing echo womb when those happened.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Dec 13, 2017 19:29:16 GMT -5
lol just because I don't take paul seriously doesn't mean I hadn't heard of the story.
I do think it was posted on another thread here somewhere?
Any one recall?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 13, 2017 19:35:24 GMT -5
Remember Virgil, Paul brings and promotes a lot of nonsense that gets debunked. I'm not doing BS right now, not even looking at. Your choice on what you want to do. Some of his theories and articles are debunked. Some aren't. Most fall in the gray miasma that is "partly true, partly false, partly subjective, partly speculative and unknowable". Learn to tolerate the inexplicable certainty in his conclusions (which really seems to get your blood boiling) and you won't revile his contributions so much. At any rate, I for one am curious about what, if anything, this FBI probe will turn up. How can we not be?
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Post by dondub on Dec 13, 2017 19:44:55 GMT -5
That's so true. Let the chips fall where they may. But please....don't fire Mueller.
In the meantime...taking Paul's posts for the dark humor they represent works for me.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Dec 13, 2017 20:26:57 GMT -5
Remember Virgil, Paul brings and promotes a lot of nonsense that gets debunked. I'm not doing BS right now, not even looking at. Your choice on what you want to do. Some of his theories and articles are debunked. Some aren't. Most fall in the gray miasma that is "partly true, partly false, partly subjective, partly speculative and unknowable". Learn to tolerate the inexplicable certainty in his conclusions (which really seems to get your blood boiling) and you won't revile his contributions so much.At any rate, I for one am curious about what, if anything, this FBI probe will turn up. How can we not be? Maybe if he didn't start most posts insulting people here. Hard to take someone seriously when they start by putting a group down. Seems he comes here to rile people up rather than start a discussion. I think he should find a board more aligned to his far right beliefs. I don't need him to balance out my views.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Dec 13, 2017 20:45:25 GMT -5
Some of his theories and articles are debunked. Some aren't. Most fall in the gray miasma that is "partly true, partly false, partly subjective, partly speculative and unknowable". Learn to tolerate the inexplicable certainty in his conclusions (which really seems to get your blood boiling) and you won't revile his contributions so much.At any rate, I for one am curious about what, if anything, this FBI probe will turn up. How can we not be? Maybe if he didn't start most posts insulting people here. Hard to take someone seriously when they start by putting a group down. Seems he comes here to rile people up rather than start a discussion. I think he should find a board more aligned to his far right beliefs. I don't need him to balance out my views. Spot on.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 13, 2017 23:47:40 GMT -5
Some of his theories and articles are debunked. Some aren't. Most fall in the gray miasma that is "partly true, partly false, partly subjective, partly speculative and unknowable". Learn to tolerate the inexplicable certainty in his conclusions (which really seems to get your blood boiling) and you won't revile his contributions so much.At any rate, I for one am curious about what, if anything, this FBI probe will turn up. How can we not be? Maybe if he didn't start most posts insulting people here. Hard to take someone seriously when they start by putting a group down. Seems he comes here to rile people up rather than start a discussion. I think he should find a board more aligned to his far right beliefs. I don't need him to balance out my views. He would not be the only poster guilty of this.
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Post by Opti on Dec 14, 2017 2:42:22 GMT -5
True. lAST doesn't have that ring or punch to it...
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Post by Opti on Dec 14, 2017 2:43:19 GMT -5
If Paul is so opposed to treason he should remove the Reagan quote from his avatar CV. Does the October Surprise or Iran~Contra ring a bell? Maybe he was in a right wing echo womb when those happened. right wing echo womb
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Post by Opti on Dec 14, 2017 2:51:54 GMT -5
Remember Virgil, Paul brings and promotes a lot of nonsense that gets debunked. I'm not doing BS right now, not even looking at. Your choice on what you want to do. Some of his theories and articles are debunked. Some aren't. Most fall in the gray miasma that is "partly true, partly false, partly subjective, partly speculative and unknowable". Learn to tolerate the inexplicable certainty in his conclusions (which really seems to get your blood boiling) and you won't revile his contributions so much. At any rate, I for one am curious about what, if anything, this FBI probe will turn up. How can we not be? Every once in awhile he posts something that explains why conservatives think the way they do. Unfortunately its so foreign to how I am, its hard for me to remember. Please don't tell me how to parse his contributions. He doesn't boil my blood very much, if at all anymore. Its like reading email subject lines for me. Sometimes the first sentence is so cray cray IMO that I know its not worth deep diving in hopes there is some wheat. I really think he is trying out his powers of persuasion and marketing, and for me, he gets an F-. He has never been less readable than now. His wheat to chaff ratio is the worst its ever been in all the time I've read him, and the includes the MSN board that predates this.
YMMV. If there is really a serious FBI probe, I for one, will wait until its real enough to hit the general media. I have enough on my plate, no need to crowd my head with possibly totally useless & baseless info. MO.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 14, 2017 8:59:17 GMT -5
Please don't tell me how to parse his contributions. He doesn't boil my blood very much, if at all anymore. If this thread is you being mellow and unperturbed, I shudder to think what you're like when you're angry.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 14, 2017 13:07:40 GMT -5
If the FISA warrant used to gain wiretaps and surveillance on Donald Trump was obtained using false, manipulated or fraudulent information, which currently seems highly likely, the entire operation becomes a criminal conspiracy and the question(s) become who knew what, when, and how far up was that authorized. Based solely on what is public information right now… Andrew McCabe and Bill Priestap are way out on the edges of legality. The issues around the Steele Dossier underpinning the FISA warrant would remove any legal defense they might have. psst - all of this is separate from the ongoing leak investigations from the new unit established within the FBI and DOJ.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 14, 2017 13:09:38 GMT -5
NONE of what I posted is theory. The text messages are plain as the nose on your face, and the testimony yesterday is on the record. There's no spinning their way out of this. The country is starting to get a very clear picture of why Hillary Clinton may have exclaimed, as has been reported based on sources inside the Clinton Campaign, "If that ************ wins, we'll all hang from nooses!"
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 14, 2017 14:36:21 GMT -5
NONE of what I posted is theory. The text messages are plain as the nose on your face, and the testimony yesterday is on the record. There's no spinning their way out of this. The country is starting to get a very clear picture of why Hillary Clinton may have exclaimed, as has been reported based on sources inside the Clinton Campaign, "If that ************ wins, we'll all hang from nooses!" Your posts are based on assumptions you've made which are biased by your world view, which makes them theory.
You assume that HIllary was criminally guilty of being a black hat or white hat or whatever. Therefore she was worried she would get hung by Trump should he win. Perhaps she just assumed that someone who was best friends with white nationalists might find lynching an appropriate and fun afternoon activity - especially since they were so actively chanting 'lock her up' at all Trump's rallies (with his enthusiastic approval).
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 14, 2017 16:32:28 GMT -5
NONE of what I posted is theory. The text messages are plain as the nose on your face, and the testimony yesterday is on the record. There's no spinning their way out of this. The country is starting to get a very clear picture of why Hillary Clinton may have exclaimed, as has been reported based on sources inside the Clinton Campaign, "If that ************ wins, we'll all hang from nooses!" You're talking about the FISA warrant in definite terms, but its existence is still a matter of speculation, is it not?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Dec 14, 2017 16:33:20 GMT -5
If the FISA warrant used to gain wiretaps and surveillance on Donald Trump was obtained using false, manipulated or fraudulent information, which currently seems highly likely, the entire operation becomes a criminal conspiracy and the question(s) become who knew what, when, and how far up was that authorized. Based solely on what is public information right now… Andrew McCabe and Bill Priestap are way out on the edges of legality. The issues around the Steele Dossier underpinning the FISA warrant would remove any legal defense they might have. psst - all of this is separate from the ongoing leak investigations from the new unit established within the FBI and DOJ. why? What evidence suggest this?
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Post by dezii on Dec 14, 2017 16:44:47 GMT -5
NONE of what I posted is theory. The text messages are plain as the nose on your face, and the testimony yesterday is on the record. There's no spinning their way out of this. The country is starting to get a very clear picture of why Hillary Clinton may have exclaimed, as has been reported based on sources inside the Clinton Campaign, "If that ************ wins, we'll all hang from nooses!" You're talking about the FISA warrant in definite terms, but its existence is still a matter of speculation, is it not? "may have??"...not acceptable...imho, ""If that ************ wins, we'll all hang from nooses!""...link please
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Post by dezii on Dec 14, 2017 16:47:50 GMT -5
NONE of what I posted is theory. The text messages are plain as the nose on your face, and the testimony yesterday is on the record. There's no spinning their way out of this. The country is starting to get a very clear picture of why Hillary Clinton may have exclaimed, as has been reported based on sources inside the Clinton Campaign, "If that ************ wins, we'll all hang from nooses!" ""If that ************ wins, we'll all hang from nooses!"....link please "may have exclaimed, "....may? not acceptable IMHO...
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 14, 2017 17:41:40 GMT -5
You're talking about the FISA warrant in definite terms, but its existence is still a matter of speculation, is it not? "may have??"...not acceptable...imho, ""If that ************ wins, we'll all hang from nooses!""...link please Not sure why you're addressing this to me, but, for your consideration: The original report states that Ms. Clinton "went off" on NBC's Matt Lauer after a pre-election interview. He supposedly asked her a question that hadn't been on the list of questions sent to her by NBC for approval, and she reamed him out within earshot of NBC production staff, one or whom anonymously disclosed her behaviour via e-mail. As with most of the mud flying around in 2016, the claim is impossible to confirm or refute, hence plausibility lies in the eye of the beholder.
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