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Post by happyhoix on Jan 29, 2018 14:08:29 GMT -5
IIRC Comey said in his testimony that the FBI asked for the server and was turned down. Donna Brazile said in her book it was later destroyed, although they might have made a copy. The RNC turned over their server when asked. This is basic stuff you could Google instead of picking on Paul. Reports are that McCabe was forced out after Wray read the memo, which should be released today. Do you have a citation for the Wray thing?
All I've seen so far is that McCabe had been planning to step aside by March 1st, and noting the hostile tweets Trump has been launching at McCabe in the last few months.
Trump has also repeatedly attacked McCabe on Twitter.
"How can FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, the man in charge, along with leakin’ James Comey, of the Phony Hillary Clinton investigation (including her 33,000 illegally deleted emails) be given $700,000 for wife's campaign by Clinton Puppets during investigation?" Trump tweeted on Dec. 23.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-deputy-director-andrew-mccabe-stepping-down/ar-BBIplpl
If my boss publically mocked me and questioned my integrity and the integrity of the department I oversaw I would be very quick to either find another job or retire, too. That had to be enormously stressful.
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Post by dondub on Jan 29, 2018 14:13:57 GMT -5
Do you have a citation for the Wray thing?
STOP PICKING ON HER!
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Post by dondub on Jan 29, 2018 14:27:00 GMT -5
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Post by dondub on Jan 29, 2018 14:35:05 GMT -5
I'll take my 8 minute old link to your 14 minute old claim that CNN reported McCabe was forced out. And I have no interest at all in Twitter.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 29, 2018 15:04:36 GMT -5
If it were a dedicated thread, as we have in the past done with other posters who like to pontificate, I wouldn't bother reading any of it. There are other people who post here, and in any thread it will not be the OP who dominates discussion. Other people are capable of interesting debate, even if some are not. And just to follow up for the record, Virgil, I do not open any of these threads until I see that they have garnered enough responses to ensure that I have some rational posts to read rather than diatribe or screed which the poster admits is invalid. There's a word for that kind of thing, isn't there?
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Post by dezii on Jan 29, 2018 15:07:44 GMT -5
IIRC Comey said in his testimony that the FBI asked for the server and was turned down. Donna Brazile said in her book it was later destroyed, although they might have made a copy. The RNC turned over their server when asked. This is basic stuff you could Google instead of picking on Paul. Reports are that McCabe was forced out after Wray read the memo, which should be released today. Do you have a citation for the Wray thing?
All I've seen so far is that McCabe had been planning to step aside by March 1st, and noting the hostile tweets Trump has been launching at McCabe in the last few months.
Trump has also repeatedly attacked McCabe on Twitter.
"How can FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, the man in charge, along with leakin’ James Comey, of the Phony Hillary Clinton investigation (including her 33,000 illegally deleted emails) be given $700,000 for wife's campaign by Clinton Puppets during investigation?" Trump tweeted on Dec. 23.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-deputy-director-andrew-mccabe-stepping-down/ar-BBIplpl
If my boss publically mocked me and questioned my integrity and the integrity of the department I oversaw I would be very quick to either find another job or retire, too. That had to be enormously stressful.
Unless u believe all federal employees are part of the swamp and inefficient...I don't...that is another negative that our Donald is doing to our country...It's been reported that young people applying for government positions are way down..especially the top ranked candidates and the country so badly need them...With a budget in the trillions...with the variouse departments needing skilled very competent workers, but to have less top quality folks applying is not good. I know of two young people... Young man just back from assignment of four years Eastern Europe...State Department...Katzastan..[loved it...the mountains, people..the hiking..the job] then Serbia...same thing...now traveling with the Secretary of State overseas where ever he goes..a gofer plus...and his wife..best friends daughter...honor roll , Phi Beta Kappa Tufts undergraduate, then George Town Law..now teaching there...foreign students, international law... For now staying with State and wife applying for too...she did volunteer legal work over seas for US councilor services ...but as far as a career...still up in air and as they have said..class mates , friends who might have applied or considered government work...and these young people are of the brightest and so highly educated...do not consider that, government service any longer...because of the Donald, the abuse of, the attitude and treatment... My Grandson...Jr plus at USC , ALL A'S...Friday leaves for Korea ..got a gig working the Winter Olympics, internship...when comes back a internship with Washington Redskins...Iasked him about what think of going to do after school, ...probably grad school, law school...definitely not even thinking government service...friends feel the same way... Not blowing the horn for these young people...grand son, but these are the type of dedicated, bright people we want working in our government departments...but because of the Donald and his stuff and crap...the year long soap opera...guess we'll see a lot of his base in those jobs...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 15:35:16 GMT -5
I really wish everyone who participates in the narcissistic shit show would read and understand gaslighting.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 29, 2018 16:05:01 GMT -5
From Dondub's link: Various sources described McCabe's departure as a mutual decision, while others said it was the result of pressure to step down. One source briefed on the matter said McCabe announced his decision to senior executives and portrayed it as his choice. The source disputed the characterization that McCabe was removed.
But a source familiar with the matter said FBI Director Christopher Wray told McCabe he is bringing in his own team, which he would not be a part of, and that it was McCabe's decision whether to stay at the FBI or leave. www.cnn.com/2018/01/29/politics/andrew-mccabe-fbi/index.html So everyone is taking this and spinning just as hard as they can to try to make it mean something that supports their 'side.' I can't wait for the overlord robots to take over running our government. We're a pack of idiots. And I mean ALL of us.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 29, 2018 16:10:26 GMT -5
More to the point: Paul's original question was asking members to explain why the DNC didn't turn over their servers. In addition to critiquing his theory, why not provide him with your own?
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I asked if there was a corroborating link to Paul's claim that the DNC would not hand over it's servers. Until then this is just another spurious claim like so many others. And if the investigation needs to examine them how about a subpoena or whatever would be required to seize them for a forensic analysis?? You can find stories about the initial refusal in everywhere, including CNN. Most of these are dated 01/2017. But the story is a lot messier than Paul realizes. According to WND, the DNC eventually did comply with FBI demands in 03/2017, but handed over clones of the DNC server rather than the server itself. That is, they copied the live data off the drives to new drives and handed over the new drives, averring the drives were faithful clones (i.e. nothing was deleted or omitted). They then destroyed the original drives. ibid.: Yet, Brazile insisted “killing” the server was critical after the data was breached because the server would continue to be affected by spyware had it not been destroyed.
“In the last two weeks of the election, we had to make another decision as to whether or not to shut down that server – to actually kill it – because we kept getting, you know, we kept getting more spyware,” she said. “They were so stealth; the operation was so stealth.”
The replica and remediation process after the hacking cost the DNC “millions” of dollars, Brazile said.
“We made a replica of everything and turned it all over to [the FBI]. We also let them see all of the evidence from all of the individual computers, from everything else. So, we – trust me, it cost us quite a penny to make replicas and then we destroyed the machines and then bought the staff people new laptops,” she said. “If you can imagine this, right before the convention, these staffers had lost all of their data, all of their materials – everything was gone. Everything was wiped clean, but we made a replica.”
While Brazile admits she cooperated with the FBI by supplying the agency with replicas of its server, DNC Deputy Communications Director Eric Walker told Buzzfeed on Jan. 4 the FBI never requested access to the DNC’s computer servers in question and that it had been “providing access to all of the information uncovered by CrowdStrike – without any limits.” Apparently the FBI wasn't happy about getting cloned drives, but sufficed to accept them and the analysis done by CrowdStrike in lieu of the compromised servers.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 29, 2018 16:12:55 GMT -5
If it were a dedicated thread, as we have in the past done with other posters who like to pontificate, I wouldn't bother reading any of it. There are other people who post here, and in any thread it will not be the OP who dominates discussion. Other people are capable of interesting debate, even if some are not. And just to follow up for the record, Virgil, I do not open any of these threads until I see that they have garnered enough responses to ensure that I have some rational posts to read rather than diatribe or screed which the poster admits is invalid. There's a word for that kind of thing, isn't there? "Excuses."
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Post by dondub on Jan 29, 2018 16:14:30 GMT -5
Is that messier? Servers breached. Clone made and turned over. New laptops for staff.
That's a well debunked conspiracy you just posted Virgil.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 29, 2018 16:28:06 GMT -5
Is that messier? Servers breached. Clone made and turned over. New laptops for staff.
That's a well debunked conspiracy you just posted Virgil. If you're talking about a conspiracy by DNC staff to hide embarrassing information from the FBI, the article basically explains why we'll never know. The servers were destroyed and the integrity of the substitutes relies on one's belief (or unbelief) in whether the DNC provided faithful copies. Either way, it puts the kibosh on Paul's sugar plum dreams of the servers disgorging more skeletons in the DNC closet.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 29, 2018 16:28:19 GMT -5
And just to follow up for the record, Virgil, I do not open any of these threads until I see that they have garnered enough responses to ensure that I have some rational posts to read rather than diatribe or screed which the poster admits is invalid. There's a word for that kind of thing, isn't there? "Excuses." I was referring to the intentional posting of inflammatory and insulting things that a poster knows are invalid. What is that word?
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Post by engineerdoe on Jan 29, 2018 16:33:05 GMT -5
I agree with all of this, with the exception that if a party claims to be unbiased, democratic, etc., internal subversion of these principles is immoral and very much deserving of condemnation, even when perfectly legal. More to the point: Paul's original question was asking members to explain why the DNC didn't turn over their servers. In addition to critiquing his theory, why not provide him with your own? Or am I missing something? Is your theory that, while you don't believe the DNC did anything illegal, you share Paul's opinion that they "rigged" the party nomination--a fact that might get out and wind up embarrassing them if the FBI poked around their servers? Don't we already know they (at least) manipulated their primary? Or are the dems denying that? I'm going to play devil's advocate here, what is so wrong in the DNC wanting an actual Democrat to be nominated? Bernie only switched from Independent to Democrat to run. Why shouldn't the DNC or RNC help out a Democrat or Republican candidate? Now before anyone mentions that Trump wasn't really a Republican, if there were only two candidates for the Republican nomination instead of 17 and one was Trump, do you still think he gets the nomination?
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Post by dezii on Jan 29, 2018 16:34:28 GMT -5
Is that messier? Servers breached. Clone made and turned over. New laptops for staff.
That's a well debunked conspiracy you just posted Virgil. If you're talking about a conspiracy by DNC staff to hide embarrassing information from the FBI, the article basically explains why we'll never know. The servers were destroyed and the integrity of the substitutes relies on one's belief (or unbelief) in whether the DNC provided faithful copies. Either way, it puts the kibosh on Paul's sugar plum dreams of the servers disgorging more skeletons in the DNC closet. Oh no...not the death of the Sugar Plum fairy's...he'll never recover..." oh woe is us...we is ruined..[sad, so sad]"
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 29, 2018 16:46:00 GMT -5
I was referring to the intentional posting of inflammatory and insulting things that a poster knows are invalid. What is that word? Hyperbole? Satire? Trolling? What fun. Let's try another: Rhymes with "taming". Refers to the practice of showing up in threads out of the blue and contributing absolutely nothing except attacks on the OP.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 29, 2018 16:48:33 GMT -5
Yeah, trolling sounds right. Thanks for coming up with it.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 29, 2018 16:54:17 GMT -5
Don't we already know they (at least) manipulated their primary? Or are the dems denying that? I'm going to play devil's advocate here, what is so wrong in the DNC wanting an actual Democrat to be nominated? Bernie only switched from Independent to Democrat to run. Why shouldn't the DNC or RNC help out a Democrat or Republican candidate? Now before anyone mentions that Trump wasn't really a Republican, if there were only two candidates for the Republican nomination instead of 17 and one was Trump, do you still think he gets the nomination? I wish the RNC had spent a little more time rigging their primary.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 29, 2018 17:08:05 GMT -5
Don't we already know they (at least) manipulated their primary? Or are the dems denying that? I'm going to play devil's advocate here, what is so wrong in the DNC wanting an actual Democrat to be nominated? Bernie only switched from Independent to Democrat to run. Why shouldn't the DNC or RNC help out a Democrat or Republican candidate? Now before anyone mentions that Trump wasn't really a Republican, if there were only two candidates for the Republican nomination instead of 17 and one was Trump, do you still think he gets the nomination? This is DJ's argument, in a sense. But if the party is going to back a specific candidate, they should be up front about it. Both the DNC and RNC portray themselves as impartial. The DNC Charter places a heavy emphasis on fairness (ensuring all delegates get equal say, impartial moderation of discussions, etc.). Somebody here with an appetite for reading might take it upon themselves to comb through the whole charter for something more definitive. ETA: Of course, it doesn't help that the DNC was broker than broke in 2016, kept solvent only by Ms. Clinton's campaign warchest.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 29, 2018 18:08:11 GMT -5
... So, I'm not presenting anything I don't actually believe- ... You clearly stated you post things that are far, far right of what you consider reality. In short- it's technique. If you're here.... and the reality you need to see is here.... I say I'm here and you say....
you say I'm crazy. Obviously the truth is here...
So is it not reasonable to take the position that you are presenting things you don't really believe within your game of "technique"? A curve ball is technique. Not a violation of the rules of the game. Throwing curve balls and winning the game fair and square aren't mutually exclusive.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 29, 2018 18:09:13 GMT -5
How do you read it now, dondub ?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 29, 2018 18:17:40 GMT -5
I'm going to play devil's advocate here, what is so wrong in the DNC wanting an actual Democrat to be nominated? Bernie only switched from Independent to Democrat to run. Why shouldn't the DNC or RNC help out a Democrat or Republican candidate? Now before anyone mentions that Trump wasn't really a Republican, if there were only two candidates for the Republican nomination instead of 17 and one was Trump, do you still think he gets the nomination? I wish the RNC had spent a little more time rigging their primary. They spent a GREAT deal of time rigging their primary- the "Splitter Strategy" or Republican Roadmap To Victory was YEARS in the making. Trump simply deciphered what they were doing and in what can only be described as some pretty amazing political jujitsu- use it against them. theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/07/13/why-i-support-donald-trumps-campaign-and-its-probably-not-what-you-think/theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/08/09/gope-2016-road-map-to-victory-tree-house-challenge/The plan was to drag Jeb! across the finish line with less than 30% of the vote. Trump saw the plan very clearly- and he decided he'd beat them at their own game.
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Post by dondub on Jan 29, 2018 18:24:38 GMT -5
How do you read it now, dondub ?
Same as before. Not on the new team and why would he be when he is retiring. And if that means leaving today so what.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2018 18:49:33 GMT -5
I agree with all of this, with the exception that if a party claims to be unbiased, democratic, etc., internal subversion of these principles is immoral and very much deserving of condemnation, even when perfectly legal. More to the point: Paul's original question was asking members to explain why the DNC didn't turn over their servers. In addition to critiquing his theory, why not provide him with your own? Or am I missing something? Is your theory that, while you don't believe the DNC did anything illegal, you share Paul's opinion that they "rigged" the party nomination--a fact that might get out and wind up embarrassing them if the FBI poked around their servers? Don't we already know they (at least) manipulated their primary? Or are the dems denying that? i don't think parties even bother moralizing about how they do things. they know it is a trap. they resort to language like "it is within our bylaws to..." etc., and skirt the issue entirely. another good reason to vote write in or third party. i don't really consider their servers to be part of the issue. does that answer your question?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 29, 2018 18:51:19 GMT -5
the WH claims it has nothing to do with this. note: this is a face value declaration, obviously.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 29, 2018 18:58:27 GMT -5
I was referring to the intentional posting of inflammatory and insulting things that a poster knows are invalid. What is that word? Hyperbole? Satire? Trolling? What fun. Let's try another: Rhymes with "taming". Refers to the practice of showing up in threads out of the blue and contributing absolutely nothing except attacks on the OP. Shaming? Yes, I'll agree. The things I criticize are worthy of shame. Glad you agree as well.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 29, 2018 20:03:24 GMT -5
You clearly stated you post things that are far, far right of what you consider reality. So is it not reasonable to take the position that you are presenting things you don't really believe within your game of "technique"? A curve ball is technique. Not a violation of the rules of the game. Throwing curve balls and winning the game fair and square aren't mutually exclusive. And when you telegraph your pitch and leave a hanging curve ball over the middle of the plate, it isn't a violation for it to be hit on a line right back up the middle.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 29, 2018 20:08:48 GMT -5
Hyperbole? Satire? Trolling? What fun. Let's try another: Rhymes with "taming". Refers to the practice of showing up in threads out of the blue and contributing absolutely nothing except attacks on the OP. Shaming? Yes, I'll agree. The things I criticize are worthy of shame. Glad you agree as well. I guess I asked for that. But no. Try again. Think hotter.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 29, 2018 20:35:47 GMT -5
Shaming? Yes, I'll agree. The things I criticize are worthy of shame. Glad you agree as well. I guess I asked for that. But no. Try again. Think hotter. Nah, I'm too cool for that. Even cold sometimes. And the things I think are hot have nothing to do with this board.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 29, 2018 22:11:03 GMT -5
There is no evidence of Trump - Russia collusion. And since dezii asked for a link- here you go. All DEMOCRATS for your convenience. grabien.com/file.php?id=313919And here's another:
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