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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 27, 2018 16:16:58 GMT -5
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jan 27, 2018 16:17:17 GMT -5
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Post by tallguy on Jan 27, 2018 16:22:08 GMT -5
What does it say about someone's mental stability if they feel the need to change the thread title every time they post?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 27, 2018 16:35:46 GMT -5
In short- it's technique. If you're here.... and the reality you need to see is here.... I say I'm here and you say....
you say I'm crazy. Obviously the truth is here...
I imagine this works beautifully on chickens and, possibly, profoundly retarded penguins. Sentient beings, however, are not going to be led by the nose through the use of this "technique". Those who believe as you do will form a line and march in lockstep like good little penguins. The rest of us will apply our critical thinking skills on our own, thank you very much. Actually, it's a well known tactic of persuasion dating all the way back to Goebbels (although he certainly wasn't the first to use it), and it works unnervingly well on human beings. Paul's not the only one who uses it here, either. Consider Happy's last reply, for example. What Paul may fail to realize is that the technique has a limited number of uses when consistently used to move people in directions they don't want to go (that is, to persuade them to believe something they'd rather not be true). In this case, that direction is belief in the conspiracy.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 27, 2018 16:41:57 GMT -5
What does it say about someone's mental stability if they feel the need to change the thread title every time they post? Nothing. What does it say about someone's mental stability if they swear on a stack that they couldn't care less about another member's contributions, don't even bother reading them anymore, haven't for a long time, and yet they still can't resist the compulsion to show up in that member's threads taking pot shots?
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Post by tallguy on Jan 27, 2018 17:04:01 GMT -5
If it were a dedicated thread, as we have in the past done with other posters who like to pontificate, I wouldn't bother reading any of it. There are other people who post here, and in any thread it will not be the OP who dominates discussion. Other people are capable of interesting debate, even if some are not.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 27, 2018 17:50:31 GMT -5
Has Obama been rounded up by trump's white Polo shirt and khaki pants troops and sent to Gitmo yet?
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 27, 2018 18:06:03 GMT -5
I imagine this works beautifully on chickens and, possibly, profoundly retarded penguins. Sentient beings, however, are not going to be led by the nose through the use of this "technique". Those who believe as you do will form a line and march in lockstep like good little penguins. The rest of us will apply our critical thinking skills on our own, thank you very much. Actually, it's a well known tactic of persuasion dating all the way back to Goebbels (although he certainly wasn't the first to use it), and it works unnervingly well on human beings. Paul's not the only one who uses it here, either. Consider Happy's last reply, for example. What Paul may fail to realize is that the technique has a limited number of uses when consistently used to move people in directions they don't want to go (that is, to persuade them to believe something they'd rather not be true). In this case, that direction is belief in the conspiracy. You will not I mentioned critical thinking skills ...
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 27, 2018 20:06:26 GMT -5
The FBI as a whole doesn't seem to understand the concept of oversight. They don't get to pick and choose what's "relevant to understanding the focus of the investigation". Congress is entitled to EVERYTHING, and then Congress alone will decide what's relevant. There does seem to be this attitude within the FBI in particular, but most of government, that Congress is not entitled to know what's going on. They are sorely mistaken. And now, the efforts to conceal "VERY INFLAMMATORY" (not my words) things are going to have them in more hot water than the "VERY imflammatory" things themselves. There are serious questions here: 1. Mueller Fired Strzok for "anti-Trump bias" , right? How was this determined? And why, at that point, weren't the devices and messages preserved and examined to determine the extent to which "anti-Trump bias" significant enough to warrant removal from the team might have tainted his investigation? 2. One of the functions at the heart of the FBI investigatory skillset is finding such things as text messages which criminals might try to hide- and further, the FBI has a duty to preserve all communications for oversight under the law. So, why did the FBI falsely claim the messages were "missing" when they knew or must have known that even laypeople looking on would know it was a false claim? There are LOTS, and LOTS, and LOTS of questions- but the biggest one is: Just what the hell is going on in our government? What is the FBI up to? What do they think they're doing? And who is involved? The facts we have so far are: There is no Trump-Russia collusion. The investigation is bogus, and a fraud on the people. There's an anti-Trump conspiracy within the FBI and DOJ-- Obama and Hillary are at the heart of it, but there are dozens or even hundreds of federal government employees involved. We need to know who they are-- how deep and wide is the cancer within our government, and how far along were they able to get? ........ .................. The dead horse is Trump-Russia collusion.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 27, 2018 20:12:11 GMT -5
Wasn't he appointed to investigate Russia's meddling? I believe he was supposed to root out all the connections, right.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 27, 2018 20:13:15 GMT -5
Gentlemen, gentlemen. There can be more than one dead horse.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 27, 2018 20:19:19 GMT -5
Actually, it's a well known tactic of persuasion dating all the way back to Goebbels (although he certainly wasn't the first to use it), and it works unnervingly well on human beings. Paul's not the only one who uses it here, either. Consider Happy's last reply, for example. What Paul may fail to realize is that the technique has a limited number of uses when consistently used to move people in directions they don't want to go (that is, to persuade them to believe something they'd rather not be true). In this case, that direction is belief in the conspiracy. You will not I mentioned critical thinking skills ... We love to believe these things, but I don't leave myself out when I say these things- we don't possess critical thinking skills. It's self-aggrandizement. We flatter ourselves. We love to tell ourselves we're logical, rational, and that we observe events objectively, we gather facts, and we come to informed decisions. In reality, Barrack Obama and Donald Trump are both living breathing proof that isn't true. What they both did effectively was PERSUADE people to vote for them based upon simple psychology. Barrack Obama's future-based campaign of "Hope & Change" was brilliant. Following Bush's failed presidency, his demoralizing and domestic bloat, his "targeting" tax code tinkering, his misguided neo-con foreign intervention (which I'm not proud to say I bought into-- looking back, it's easy to see that the grandiose Middle-East Marshall Plan of George W. Bush was never going to produce Jeffersonian democracy in the shithole islamic countries there), and absolute refusal to hit back when attacked produced a perfect opening for a hopeful change in course. Trump's campaign was equally brilliant-- the bloom was off Barack Obama's "Hope and Change". He proved even worse in the Middle East than Bush, domestically, his war on prosperity, and massive healthcare blunder allowed Trump to essentially run Obama's own campaign again. It was bolder, and more courageous-- but then, Trump is a far more skilled persuader. "Make America Great Again"-- and blasting onto the stage in the GOP primary making it clear that BOTH parties were the party of the status quo-- and going back and digging up bones on trade, immigration, and other long-term failures of the corrupt and failed political establishment was genius. Very stable genius.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 27, 2018 20:23:29 GMT -5
If memory serves, relatively few contributors here voted for either Pres. Trump or Pres. Obama.
Not that YMAM is a stellar example of critical thinking, but we do OK, and we didn't fall for "Hope and Change" or "Make America Great Again".
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 28, 2018 0:30:09 GMT -5
I hate to disappoint you, Paul, but you did include yourself in the group you described. I just referred to chickens and retarded penguins. Suffice it to say, not everyone follows your little theory. There are those who actually do think critically. It's a shame you, as you've so gracefully admitted, don't. Critical thinking is, for the most part, a skill - ergo, it can be learned. However, in order to learn it you have to admit it exists and is of value.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 28, 2018 0:39:39 GMT -5
I imagine this works beautifully on chickens and, possibly, profoundly retarded penguins. Sentient beings, however, are not going to be led by the nose through the use of this "technique". Those who believe as you do will form a line and march in lockstep like good little penguins. The rest of us will apply our critical thinking skills on our own, thank you very much. Not only does he believe he can manipulate us in this manner, he believes he can tell us he is using this technique and that he will still be able to manipulate us with it. Interesting. that might work on a moron, but most people are not morons.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 28, 2018 0:41:34 GMT -5
I don't need a link for that. That's not how accusations work. Not ONE SHRED of evidence exists to suggest that Trump colluded with Russia-- that's what makes the appointment of Mueller illegitimate. The statute calls for a crime. A special prosecutor may not be appointed to go find a crime. Excuse me but it seems your reasoning does not hold water...not wanting to waste a lot of time on this, did a quick google..lots of links on the topic...none that I looked at support your beliefs...Also before looking, had a thought if it was illegal why didn't our Donald fight it harder..In fact forgetting him, why not the GOP itself, not really to their benefit to have their party's POTUS investigated in any way..even our/their Donald. Anyway...this is one link...many more...As said, your thoughts and beliefs seem to be wrong ...so ask again...got some links? ------------------------------------------------ "In the United States, a special prosecutor (or special counsel or independent counsel) is a lawyer appointed to investigate, and potentially prosecute, a particular case of suspected wrongdoing for which a conflict of interest exists for the usual prosecuting authority." ---------------------------------------en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_prosecutorif there is not one shred of evidence, i have a suggestion for all the Trump supporters: LET MUELLER FINISH HIS INVESTIGATION. it will end up just like the stupid-ass Benghazi crapola. no harm done. just time and money wasted. and you can laugh your ass off about it, just like we liberals are about Benghazi and your Ebola madness.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 28, 2018 3:41:59 GMT -5
Not only does he believe he can manipulate us in this manner, he believes he can tell us he is using this technique and that he will still be able to manipulate us with it. Interesting. that might work on a moron, but most people are not morons. How about Trump supporters? Isn't that how most of them got to BE Trump supporters?
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Post by dezii on Jan 28, 2018 8:50:28 GMT -5
........ .................. The dead horse is Trump-Russia collusion. Possible...then again...not so...we'll find out won't we....that's why we have a investigation , a special prosecutor...It's also suspicious that it's being said he was going to fire the special prosecutor but pulled back when his lawyer said he and others would resign... Yes he did, to many knew about and his denial is just more proof...man is a coward..never will own up...everything critical is "fake news "that his base buys.. but no one else...problem is the man is a lier.
U know it and am ok with it...I know it and am not...definitely a flaw in the man.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jan 28, 2018 8:56:38 GMT -5
Paul spends some time putting together his thoughts and post articles sometimes right wing sources, But he put that time and effort aannnnnd thinking into it.
He generally gets it done without personal insults directed towards individual posters!
On the other hand, What he posted was something related to chickens and retarded penguins,, This post was critical thinking?? Paul is constantly criticized on post from what is called questionable RW sources,,, What would you call the sources that Dezii uses??
Of course we other using the critical thinking when they post,,
There are therapists who can help you get better.
What does it say about someone's mental stability if they feel the need to change the thread title every time they post?
that might work on a moron, but most people are not morons.
How about Trump supporters? Isn't that how most of them got to BE Trump supporters?
Jesus, so much gaslighting, I just don't know where to start
Maybe someone can explain about critical thinking ,, How it applied to these post?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 28, 2018 8:59:18 GMT -5
For those of you who still hold the untenable position that the top of the DNC isn't thoroughly corrupt, answer these two questions:
1. If the Russians meddled in our election- and there's every indication they did- and the claim by the Democrats is that they hacked the DNC's servers / email accounts in order to aid Donald Trump-- and for the sake of argument, let's say they did it with Trump's full knowledge and there was collusion: why has the DNC never allowed federal law enforcement or intelligence officials to examine the DNC servers?
2. If Mueller's job is to investigate Russia's meddling in our electiions, then why hasn't he seized the DNC servers for examination?
The answers to these questions will reveal your objectivity.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 28, 2018 9:05:19 GMT -5
Paul spends some time putting together his thoughts and post articles sometimes right wing sources, But he put that time and effort aannnnnd thinking into it. He generally gets it done without personal insults directed towards individual posters! On the other hand, What he posted was something related to chickens and retarded penguins,, This post was critical thinking?? Paul is constantly criticized on post from what is called questionable RW sources,,, What would you call the sources that Dezii uses??Of course we other using the critical thinking when they post,, There are therapists who can help you get better.
What does it say about someone's mental stability if they feel the need to change the thread title every time they post?
that might work on a moron, but most people are not morons.
How about Trump supporters? Isn't that how most of them got to BE Trump supporters?
Jesus, so much gaslighting, I just don't know where to start
Maybe someone can explain about critical thinking ,, How it applied to these post? And then I report their posts, and I'm always offered some rationalization as to why these aren't personal insults in violation of the CoC. I'm used to it. It means they've lost the argument- which of course is my whole point.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 28, 2018 9:09:51 GMT -5
For those of you who still hold the untenable position that the top of the DNC isn't thoroughly corrupt, answer these two questions: 1. If the Russians meddled in our election- and there's every indication they did- and the claim by the Democrats is that they hacked the DNC's servers / email accounts in order to aid Donald Trump-- and for the sake of argument, let's say they did it with Trump's full knowledge and there was collusion: why has the DNC never allowed federal law enforcement or intelligence officials to examine the DNC servers? 2. If Mueller's job is to investigate Russia's meddling in our electiions, then why hasn't he seized the DNC servers for examination? The answers to these questions will reveal your objectivity. To be fair, I'll give my answers- which of course are "the" answers: 1. The DNC servers contain evidence of rigging the primary election for Hillary as well as likely evidence of the criminal conspiracy to spy on Trump and his team. Not only that, but it would probably also reveal a lot of criminal activity that we're not even aware of yet-- and we are aware of quite a bit. 2. Mueller's job is to get Trump at any cost and provide Congress with a pretext for impeachment because the conventional wisdom is that Democrats are going to take the House and the Senate- so Mueller's job is to tee up impeachment. Period. He has no other purpose. His investigation has no honorable or legitimate purpose for the people of the United States.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 28, 2018 9:16:02 GMT -5
By the way, I am not sharing some things as yet because I can't provide a source, and can't verify it. However, I have sources which have advised that the little coup attempt is the tip of the iceberg. I'm told that there was a massive plot to literally take down the United States of America by literally 1,000's of people in government; that high level officials have been arrested, foreign agents have been rounded up and put in Gitmo and sent to black sites, and that they are working on a sanitized version of events that won't cause a panic or a civil war. Any updates on the roundups? And wouldn't the trump administration be creating the ultimate fake news by creating a sanitized version of events which won't cause a panic or a civil war?
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Post by dezii on Jan 28, 2018 9:23:44 GMT -5
If memory serves, relatively few contributors here voted for either Pres. Trump or Pres. Obama. Not that YMAM is a stellar example of critical thinking, but we do OK, and we didn't fall for "Hope and Change" or "Make America Great Again". U can count me in for Obama twice...Hillery tw- ...oops...once....
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Post by dezii on Jan 28, 2018 9:30:00 GMT -5
By the way, I am not sharing some things as yet because I can't provide a source, and can't verify it. However, I have sources which have advised that the little coup attempt is the tip of the iceberg. I'm told that there was a massive plot to literally take down the United States of America by literally 1,000's of people in government; that high level officials have been arrested, foreign agents have been rounded up and put in Gitmo and sent to black sites, and that they are working on a sanitized version of events that won't cause a panic or a civil war. Ahhhhh Yes....those mystereouse yet secret sources that some have but no one else does....what would we do if we didn't have them to fall back on....
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 28, 2018 9:53:56 GMT -5
By the way, I am not sharing some things as yet because I can't provide a source, and can't verify it. However, I have sources which have advised that the little coup attempt is the tip of the iceberg. I'm told that there was a massive plot to literally take down the United States of America by literally 1,000's of people in government; that high level officials have been arrested, foreign agents have been rounded up and put in Gitmo and sent to black sites, and that they are working on a sanitized version of events that won't cause a panic or a civil war. Any updates on the roundups? And wouldn't the trump administration be creating the ultimate fake news by creating a sanitized version of events which won't cause a panic or a civil war? You need to analyze the statement using the "technique"". In short- it's technique. If you're here.... and the reality you need to see is here.... I say I'm here and you say....
you say I'm crazy. Obviously the truth is here...
So "coup attempt" was voting, iceberg was ice cube, "massive plot to literally take down the United States of America " was bitching about, "literally 1000's" is a dozen, "high level" is office workers, "arrested" is given a talking to, "foreign agents rounded up" is they have been invited to meetings, "Gitmo and sent to black sites" is refills and no creamer at Starbucks, "sanitized version of events" is spin, "panic" is Hannity getting red faced, and "civil war" is a half day of Fox News coverage of nothing else accompanied with retired guys all over the country turning to their wife's saying "can you believe this" and their wives responding "No dear". And there you have reality.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 28, 2018 10:04:06 GMT -5
Method to the madness, eh?
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Post by dezii on Jan 28, 2018 10:12:17 GMT -5
Any updates on the roundups? And wouldn't the trump administration be creating the ultimate fake news by creating a sanitized version of events which won't cause a panic or a civil war? You need to analyze the statement using the "technique"". In short- it's technique. If you're here.... and the reality you need to see is here.... I say I'm here and you say....
you say I'm crazy. Obviously the truth is here...
So "coup attempt" was voting, iceberg was ice cube, "massive plot to literally take down the United States of America " was bitching about, "literally 1000's" is a dozen, "high level" is office workers, "arrested" is given a talking to, "foreign agents rounded up" is they have been invited to meetings, "Gitmo and sent to black sites" is refills and no creamer at Starbucks, "sanitized version of events" is spin, "panic" is Hannity getting red faced, and "civil war" is a half day of Fox News coverage of nothing else accompanied with retired guys all over the country turning to their wife's saying "can you believe this" and their wives responding "No dear". And there you have reality. So well said and right to the heart of the matter...not that the one the arrow aimed at will acknowledge but for the rest of us....thank you
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 28, 2018 10:48:54 GMT -5
... So well said and right to the heart of the matter...not that the one the arrow aimed at will acknowledge but for the rest of us....thank you Thank you but there was no attempt to shoot an arrow at someone. AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP has indicted why he posts what he posts. I just wanted to respect his method by offering my interpretation of his post based on it.
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Post by dezii on Jan 28, 2018 11:07:07 GMT -5
Top Republican Graham feels Mueller is the perfect person to be in charge of the Russian investigation to get to the bottom of this story...not suggesting to end he investigation and this is not a " Rino" but highly respected Republican...Think he is a regular who plays golf with the Donald...or was anyway...not sure if he is still on the invite list... ------------------------------- "A top GOP senator and ally of President Donald Trump said he thinks special counsel Robert Mueller "is the best person to look at" whether the president may have tried to obstruct justice through any possible interference with the Russia investigation. " "Graham was referring to questions around whether Trump's having considered firing Mueller last year may constitute obstruction of justice. Mueller leads the federal investigation into Russia's alleged meddling in the U.S. election and possible ties to Trump associates. "I have complete confidence in Mr. Mueller," Graham said. " ================================= abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsel-mueller-perfect-guy-bottom-russia-probe/story?id=52652619
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