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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 26, 2017 19:49:19 GMT -5
You are talking foolishness, comrade.  |
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Post by countrygirl2 on Nov 1, 2017 0:13:25 GMT -5
My DIL is Russian, she hates putin and hates trump too. She said he is
a putin wannabee.
She keeps asking me why Americans elected someone like that president,
she thought we were smarter then that. Sigh, now she knows the truth
I fear.
Some in her family don't approve of she and her sister, both wanted a
better life, left and became American citizens and are very proud of it,
also her niece even served in the military.
They will tell you how proud they are to be here.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 1, 2017 11:52:23 GMT -5
Paul?
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Nov 1, 2017 12:10:16 GMT -5
Reason 1,253,694 why I'm not on Facebook. I'll get colluded. |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 1, 2017 13:44:18 GMT -5
I saw a figure yesterday that the Russian Facebook ads plus posts were viewed by 0.005% (maybe it was 0.0005%?) of all Facebook users.
It's still technically worth looking into, but the idea that it influenced the election outcome is comical.
If the Trump administration were a bit wiser, they'd admit the US was the aggressor in Syria, admit the US has been antagonizing Russia, Turkey, and their allies for decades, and embrace any Russian interference (real or perceived) as Russia's desperate attempt to keep Ms. Clinton--a staunch supporter and architect of the US's failed Middle Eastern policy since 9/11--out of the White House in favour of a wildcard who campaigned on withdrawing from Syria.
In other words: own the truth.
Of course, this became impossible after Pres. Trump about-faced on Syria.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 1, 2017 15:26:38 GMT -5
Russian ads, now publicly released, show sophistication of influence campaignLawmakers on Wednesday released a trove of ads that Russian operatives bought on Facebook, providing the fullest picture yet of how foreign actors sought to promote Republican Donald Trump, denigrate Democrat Hillary Clinton and divide Americans over some of the nation's most sensitive social issues. The ads that emerged, a sampling of the 3,000 that Russians bought during the 2016 presidential campaign and its aftermath, demonstrated in words and images a striking ability to mimic American political discourse at its most fractious. The targeting information also showed a shrewd understanding of how best to use Facebook to find and influence voters most likely to respond to the pitches. The biggest impact, several independent researchers have said, was through ordinary free posts by Russian-backed Facebook groups. Those posts reached up to 126 million Americans, Facebook said, far more than the 10 million who saw the ads. An estimated 20 million people may have seen Russian-produced posts on Instagram. Complete article here: Russian ads, now publicly released, show sophistication of influence campaign
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 1, 2017 16:53:36 GMT -5
I saw a figure yesterday that the Russian Facebook ads plus posts were viewed by 0.005% (maybe it was 0.0005%?) of all Facebook users. It's still technically worth looking into, but the idea that it influenced the election outcome is comical. If the Trump administration were a bit wiser, they'd admit the US was the aggressor in Syria, admit the US has been antagonizing Russia, Turkey, and their allies for decades, and embrace any Russian interference (real or perceived) as Russia's desperate attempt to keep Ms. Clinton--a staunch supporter and architect of the US's failed Middle Eastern policy since 9/11--out of the White House in favour of a wildcard who campaigned on withdrawing from Syria. In other words: own the truth. Of course, this became impossible after Pres. Trump about-faced on Syria. During the congressional hearing, Facebook said the planted stories and advertising reached 126 million Americans. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 16:56:34 GMT -5
There is some evidence they were targeted to specific audiences.
Even if if they weren’t, are you using Global numbers? Because that is disingenuous.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 1, 2017 17:50:52 GMT -5
FWIW, ya'll have hijacked my thread.   |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 17:52:06 GMT -5
Smooth as a Russian...
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 1, 2017 17:55:47 GMT -5
Not a chance. Paul is as (ugly) American as one can be.  |
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 1, 2017 17:57:00 GMT -5
Reason 1,253,694 why I'm not on Facebook. I'll get colluded. But they might be here also.  |
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 1, 2017 18:00:43 GMT -5
Reason 1,253,694 why I'm not on Facebook. I'll get colluded. But they might be here also. Nope. Russian IPs aren't approved.  |
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 1, 2017 18:05:57 GMT -5
But they might be here also. Nope. Russian IPs aren't approved. Oh, then it must be the RNC who is signing the checks.  |
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 1, 2017 19:02:35 GMT -5
Reason 1,253,694 why I'm not on Facebook. I'll get colluded. But they might be here also. Here I am!! |
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 1, 2017 19:05:58 GMT -5
Nope. Russian IPs aren't approved. Oh, then it must be the RNC who is signing the checks. Doesn't matter who signs the checks. Russian bots have Russian IPs. |
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 1, 2017 19:30:55 GMT -5
They must have a way to disguise that. Re-route or something?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 19:33:38 GMT -5
I don’t know... today in the Facebook questioning I saw them ask, basically. so, the payment in rubbles for a political add didn’t trip some alarm?
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 1, 2017 19:37:30 GMT -5
They must have a way to disguise that. Re-route or something? They can be traced. |
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 1, 2017 19:38:37 GMT -5
Oh, then it must be the RNC who is signing the checks. Doesn't matter who signs the checks. Russian bots have Russian IPs. I was implying if it isn't a Russian posting it must be a RNC operative. |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 1, 2017 19:39:10 GMT -5
I saw a figure yesterday that the Russian Facebook ads plus posts were viewed by 0.005% (maybe it was 0.0005%?) of all Facebook users. It's still technically worth looking into, but the idea that it influenced the election outcome is comical. If the Trump administration were a bit wiser, they'd admit the US was the aggressor in Syria, admit the US has been antagonizing Russia, Turkey, and their allies for decades, and embrace any Russian interference (real or perceived) as Russia's desperate attempt to keep Ms. Clinton--a staunch supporter and architect of the US's failed Middle Eastern policy since 9/11--out of the White House in favour of a wildcard who campaigned on withdrawing from Syria. In other words: own the truth. Of course, this became impossible after Pres. Trump about-faced on Syria. During the congressional hearing, Facebook said the planted stories and advertising reached 126 million Americans. Because they're more than happy to lie by omission to make their advertising platform sound wonderful. Dig into the fine print and discover that "reached 126 million Americans" means the ads technically had the potential to be shown to 126 million American Facebook users, since that's the total size of their viewer base. But only an infinitesimal fraction of those 126 million users saw anything related to the Russian campaign. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 1, 2017 21:01:40 GMT -5
I don’t know... today in the Facebook questioning I saw them ask, basically. so, the payment in rubbles for a political add didn’t trip some alarm? They probably asked for payment in American dollars, not rubles. |
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Nov 2, 2017 9:31:51 GMT -5
Reason 1,253,694 why I'm not on Facebook. I'll get colluded. But they might be here also. They could be my neighbors! Oh no! Probably stealing my junk mail. |
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 2, 2017 10:28:08 GMT -5
During the congressional hearing, Facebook said the planted stories and advertising reached 126 million Americans. Because they're more than happy to lie by omission to make their advertising platform sound wonderful. Dig into the fine print and discover that "reached 126 million Americans" means the ads technically had the potential to be shown to 126 million American Facebook users, since that's the total size of their viewer base. But only an infinitesimal fraction of those 126 million users saw anything related to the Russian campaign. I'm pretty sure I saw a couple. I must be special. |
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 2, 2017 10:48:00 GMT -5
Because they're more than happy to lie by omission to make their advertising platform sound wonderful. Dig into the fine print and discover that "reached 126 million Americans" means the ads technically had the potential to be shown to 126 million American Facebook users, since that's the total size of their viewer base. But only an infinitesimal fraction of those 126 million users saw anything related to the Russian campaign. I'm pretty sure I saw a couple. I must be special. Oh you are. Very, very special |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 2, 2017 11:22:39 GMT -5
Because they're more than happy to lie by omission to make their advertising platform sound wonderful. Dig into the fine print and discover that "reached 126 million Americans" means the ads technically had the potential to be shown to 126 million American Facebook users, since that's the total size of their viewer base. But only an infinitesimal fraction of those 126 million users saw anything related to the Russian campaign. I'm pretty sure I saw a couple. I must be special. You won the Russian ad lotto.  I'm afraid we're going to have to treat your opinions as compromised from here on out. For all we know, your Russian handlers will utter a keyword somewhere down the line, triggering the conditioning imposed by the illicit ads, and we'll have Manchurian Thyme on our hands: promoting BLM, Bernie Sanders colouring books, Jesus vs. Hillary memes, and all manner of fractious material. |
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